From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 00:08:38 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF6CE9CF14 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9E537B2E2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Np7ZeXsSGfiK5Np7ce3eS7; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:05:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNpAX-0007wy-8V for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:08:33 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:08:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAKPo2OmaJWeSv0M26NJQF/ZUHICw+WSBc+0/ZUkeUPRgBd2Q0nksrkR+bbGUjuSWkhcz7wYeWh6a8fAKr7R1iVe8sbsg9vLH2nNV4R9Vs1BGLP+X30q QV5+GfC6Fhiwp8tgL8MS8saGVOrFE24/pdkYzhwR70Oyqp2Av+mrtpYFWZplFxHHyhXh1zT+tHEV4f4IE+OstB1tw8i3UmgQmCk= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:08:38 -0000 On 12/9/2017 1:52 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:07:30 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> Carmel NY wrote: >>> Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudriere, to be bloated. >> I don't even consider poudriere bloated. It is neat, does not require >> weird dependencies or GUI libs, stores its configuration in text >> files, uses the standard ports and jail infrastructure. Why would >> anyone call it bloated? > Not exactly bloated, but it could be considered "overhead" > just to build one or two ports. However, Poudriere is not > intended as a replacement for portmaster or portmanager, > that's important to keep in mind. And for the specific > case I mentioned, local repositories and restricted lists > are the way to go. If even that's too much, the classic > "make install" and "pkg lock" will probably be okay. > Which is what synth is good for.  I am not going to get into the contraversy surrounding synth. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 01:01:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CD3E9E135 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FE037C9A1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nq02eGnBTdX1SNq04eAl9L; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:01:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNq01-0007yp-To for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:01:45 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:01:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDD4iIoFF3J37+RzoxczQdZ7xmFNMGU11gDL4ctkM5RjgF116vfWn2DkQxhq5FLeGr6TjYeU4ysbXn/DkWd2GzA7X9Juv1sLNHktxAm6VIGVquN/G7IM bmXKTrL1N6xmo1sfCdik2Pxl165f/ZMmT78th5lfAF+YrydWOvMq+VXwsvZ78Hca2MbPjWA292W9ISCWBH2ZlTtmBiGESFdrs0Y= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:01:56 -0000 On 12/9/2017 2:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Please allow me a few comments regarding your rant (which has > some valid point, but in my opinion illustrates a little lack > of understanding of how some things on FreeBSD work): > >> They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the >> "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has >> caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. > In that case, "they" would have kicked me more than once for > expressing that I don't like the sc -> vt transition (which, > as I might mention again, is one of the biggest show stoppers, > because vt isn't a fully working replacement of sc, and it > can do only a fraction of what sc could, and even that only > at bad quality, and it's hardly documented). Now let's see > what happens. :-) > > > >> Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, because >> this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable >> work load just to make it function. > THis is in fact a big deal - but usually this list is very > helpful if you're willing to "do your homework". > Helpful as in what I asked how do you boot yo a zfs raid array?  The answer but using the BIOS menu to boot it.  Thjat is just not acceptable. Asked how well does grub2 work and how does one install it. answer crikets.  searchging the web produces info from 2009 and earlier, that dog don't hunt. > >> Some of the issues: >> >> Lack of direction. >> >> No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't boot, >> so dig out the USB drive > That exactly is the situation on Linux, where even the kernel > is just a package. FreeBSD has a strong barrier between the > operating system and 3rd party applications (that come from > the ports collection). Even with damaged ports (or with _no_ > ports), the system will still boot. Sure, certain additional > services might not be started, but that's not a problem for > the OS. In worst case, /usr/local is removed altogether, its > structure rebuilt from the /etc/mtree/ file, pkg gets boot- > strapped - and you're ready to install new ports cleanly. > The OS does not care. Not really I have built scratch built linux versions for 10 years and have less than 10% of the problems I have had with FreeBSD. > > However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will > handle this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for > installing and upgrading OS files in the future, so there > will not be the big difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg > update" / "pkg upgrade". I suspect it will kill systems with a ge=reat deal of regulaity > > >> source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. > Only tested and verified changes will be in RELEASE. Then > there is STABLE, which only contains additional components > that will be in the next RELEASE. From here, security patches > will be "extracted", so they can be applied to RELEASE. And > finally, there's CURRENT or HEAD. This is where development > takes place. A feature might be added, and the build from > source breaks. A few hours later, ir builds again, but the > result makes the system crash upon reboot. Next day, the > added feature is entirely gone. This is fully acceptable > for the HEAD branch. I have used all of the different base repos,  none of them are what I would call stable.  I can not count on a release or version to work out of the box,  some did most did not or only with a struggle. > > Common consensus is to use RELEASE and the security patches. > This can be done with freebsd-update easily. For those who > wish to experiment with bleeding-edge software, STABLE is > the right choice, but it requires building from source. > And those who are applying experimental (!) changes, for > example kernel and OS developers, or testers, use HEAD, > fully aware of what I mentioned before. I've heard that bedtime story all too many times. > > >> ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly >> and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all >> and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? > You are mixing ports and OS. The ports tree (and the > corresponding repository) can be reset at RELEASE, you > can choose a quarterly updated branch (often used in > combination with a RELEASE-pX system), or you can keep > your ports tree as current as possible. You can use tools > like portsnap (snapshots) or svn (tracking), or just use > the ports tree that came with your RELEASE install - it > depends on what kind of software (versions) you intend to > run. Always (!) choose your tools depending on the task. > There is no "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow". ;-) > I mixed no ports,  you see I created meta-ports to install a standard set of packages and when changing port repos removed all the packages and rm -rf /usr/local, then built and installed the meta-port package. > >> Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a >> clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. > Nothing wrong with building packages as root (if you use > the /usr/ports tree manually). For _installing_ packages, > you'll need root permissions anyway, or do you wish Hinz & Kunz > to be able to install arbitrary software on your system, with > an ugly surprise for you later? ;-) There is every thing wrong with building packages as root.  On my scratch built systems you build all the packages as a user.  You only need to run the package manager as root to install them as any sane admin should know. > > >> You >> should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to >> tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". > Keep in mind that FreeBSD is (among others) a multi-user system, > and that's why even on a PC you have a regular user and a root > user. The non-root user can damaga his own $HOME as he likes, > but should he be allowed to damage the whole system? Maybe for > other users to suffer? No, that's the wrong approach. Linux is not multi user?  I beg to differ > On Linux, "wget http://app.example.com | sudo bash" has become > quite common. Do you think this is a good idea? Please read the > command line, more than once, and look at each individual part. > You'll find at least 5 things that are wrong... ;-) > > You _can_ install software locally (i. e., local to your user > account), this is possible, but it often creates more problems > than it solves. However, if you know what you're doing, there > is nothing wrong with it. > This has nothing to do with installing software to your home directory. You have proved my point that FreeBSD users/admins etc do not understand at all what I am trying to say. Hell they won't even attempt to have a conversion about it let alone a thought. > >> no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants >> to listen to alternatives. > This is something still in development (and with potential of > improvement). If implemented in a reliable and secure manner, > it will probably be a positive thing. But only time will tell. > Well it WAS promised for release 11.0.  Isn't 11.0 on EOL?  The whole process that is currently being used to package base in not sound.  Again no one wanted to listen to different ways to go about packaging base.  I was going to do that but the amount of work for me to do that on my own was greater than if I just go back to my scratch built systems..  Which would YOU do? >> After trying packaged base no one could tell >> me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. > You also cannot go back from pkg-based ports to the old way, > because it's not supported anymore, the build environments > do not exist anymore, and the old ways don't work anymore. > > But in your specific problem, downloading the source (with > a RELEASE version preferred), from the distribution tarball > or via svn, then building from source (as explained in the > comment header of /usr/src/Makefile), should work. > I did source upgrades.  Here then is a good example of what hacks me off.  People think they know what some one else was doing and then go about telling them how they are doing everything wrong when it has not even been established what the process or environment is. > >> Hell no one >> knew how to remove the base package entries in the pkg database. > The database is just a database, so a properly formed query > should fix this. (I have never tried that, but basically, it > should work.) > It works, trust me I have done that.  You need to hunt and peck a little but it is not difficult. > >> I >> found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 >> as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. > If I remember correctly, 11.0 doesn't use pkg-base as a default. > Well it was implied that that was to be the future starting with 11.0 > >> Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it seems >> to have taken a back seat to pkg development. > Nonsense. Even though you have to think before you buy, there are > lots of modern graphics cards that work well on FreeBSD. And if > you don't have a problem using nVidia's binary drivers, they > usually work quite nicely and enable you a plethora of 3D stuff. > And pkg has nothing to do with it, as those binary drivers are > distributed binarily, so nothing can be ported. :-) > Not nonsense look here https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics. It only works with Radeon HD 7660 or earlier.  Radeon HD 7700 and later nope. Nvidia only to GTX 960. > >> Regular breakage when I use synth, that is just not acceptable. > I'm not using it, so no idea... > > > >> Can not boot ZFS raid system from a boot loader, I have to hit the "F8" >> key and select a drive to boot. No one seem to know if grub2 would work. > That would be worth testing. > Not by me,  I am leaving remember,  you folks loss...... > >> when I started using freebsd ver 10.1 I was told just wait for rev 11 >> and package base will be there.....Really? > No. :-) > Yes it was look it up,  that was all the rage for going to 11.0 >> Now out of the blue sendmail >> is going to bite the dust in version 13, if that is really true. Given >> the lack of finishing things I have my doubts. > Basic system functionality breaking is definitely worth creating > a bug report. In case you cannot isolate the problem, the developers > will be helpful and ask for specific outputs. > Bug report Hell the developers are the ones removing all support for base in 13.0.  And building it 12.0 without but leaving the "Hooks" >> The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been completed. >> BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. > It is primarily a licensing _and_ modularity issue. Of course > you can use gcc _and_ clang on the same system. Building certain > ports requires gcc, and sometimes requires a _specific_ gcc > version. Nothing wrong here. Except there are ports the will not build with GCC that use to. > > >> The move off of GNU software in base was to have been completed and has >> not been. > It probably isn't still completed, and there is also softeware > from other licensing realms. Just check /usr/src/contrib to find > out what's there. > Been there done that.  I was not the one saying that base was going to have no GNU software there.  Your developers said that. > >> I was looking for a "system" to use in my entire organization and though >> freebsd would work accross the different archs. I was completely wrong. > That might depend on your organization. Other places are happy > FreeBSD-only installations. > > > >> If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a >> time and actually finishing them. > I wish they had been doing this with sc -> vt, but no... you want > X _and_ text mode? NO SOUP FOR YOU! ;-) > Exactly my point.  When you work for a mega corp (billions of dollars) you learn how to roll things out where they work 95% of the time.  Yes you have things happen,  FreeBSD seems to make a mess every time something is rolled out.  See the difference? > >> So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to >> return to something stable and something that makes sense. >> Incapatibilies plays a part too. >> >> Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". > Nothing wrong with that. I've been using "UNIX-like" distros > like Slackware and Gentoo as well as "preconfigured" distros > of and on, as well as "Linux from scratch". Experience and > knowledge can be obtained that way. But every time I tried > something that should be stable, fast, reliable, predictable, > secure and easy to use in production, I always cam back to > using FreeBSD. - Needless to say, this is my very individual > opinion and experience, and I don't claim it will (or can) > be the same for everyone everywhere at every time. :-) Well rolling out systems can be as easy as this. Boot USB drive with os. partition drive(s) install file systems install base package - with boot loader install function package     like:     server-dhcp     server-mail     server-name     server-ftp     server-file     desktop-kde     desktop-gnome     desk-lumina just a few of my "meta" installation packages tickle a few config files and your done.  One could even install multiple "function meta packages on a single machine. This is how I install FreeBSD but with the base package missing. But I am told I am a rank amature and know nothing of value. FreeBSD is harder to do this way because of non-packed base and boot loader issues.  Also with a broken getent makes it harder to programmically install user into the system. It is also how I install my scratch built systems. This works on my scratch built systems no matter the disk configuration,  RAID, LVM, MBR or GPT.  it don't matter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 01:03:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29704E9E2E5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E45787CC5A for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nq1keGsr5dX1SNq1neAlzM; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:03:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNq1k-0007z1-EC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:03:32 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <97acd30b-48ce-ef0e-4326-0d78e1a10eb2@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:03:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCpf/pVF5EbTMu7NaAPI7wvZIDjpHQqxDT3o+xmGGyM9MX3EQkYtVGMI75SIwL0ghE3ZABcXXUWK6iK7yNSGC2x1w5p5xrU4tJivSKaqoFuJpDmYi1cP /vhMyl85lw2fkVAd75awDA5nADe1vz7+67plazZqOo8tJVI4Km0X5nRsIzGUQKaNOi1YvFlrxv9ypf69V6ZNkuj/GcpEQP4kRqU= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:03:37 -0000 On 12/9/2017 2:41 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about >> Poudriere. ;-) >> > How do you pronounce it anyways? It is french for "Bend over here it comes" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 01:04:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6907E9E3C9 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FE867CD7A for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Nq4NeRRtOmG8pNq4PeUDWu; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:06:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNq31-0007zE-Ca; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:04:51 +0000 Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Outback Dingo Cc: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:04:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfN8riE50QY+6v5DwZArgbF90bt+ZUjVrDsv9S9WZMqSjj/BZL+GzOCAiLtPRhDQ3RPyeDFV1p38af71VjY/3/GV4f/c5Q+SmQk/te6D572nc1kzRYg0F ekJsADj5MxdC5pPfMspzyIQH1e4wKmkY606kz6Ha+CCtsr2OB0YUqYe1RwS++NDG0Wggy8krOwkeE2kfnda9EnMMD3FssFA50frsLjfbQTZWAnLuXiVxEnjA 32c06iJIaiQIRX0F5BEDmvIbyBZdoUThChp4SllCZrc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:04:55 -0000 On 12/9/2017 2:49 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Baho Utot wrote: >> >> On 12/09/17 10:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Baho Utot >> > wrote: >>> >>> The writing is on the wall. >>> >>> Looks like I am no longer welcome around here >>> >>> >>> If you are referring to being banned from -ports@ I think someone just had >>> a knee jerk reaction and banned any "trouble maker" (anyone who doesn't >>> *LOVE* flavors and it forcing you to use something bloated like synth and/or >>> poudiere). Even though I only posted there twice in the last year >>> something I said most of ticked the same person off because I was also >>> banned for what appears to me no rational reason. >>> -- >>> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> >> It is all good. I am returning to a sane world of building my own scratch >> built linux system, which is what I did before coming to freebsd. I really >> have an issue with we'll are doing this our way and you can just sit down >> and shut up. >> >> Anyway I'll be on my on built system by january, freebsd loss I expect. > I could tell you a story of a similar situation 13 years ago.... IM STILL HERE. > Do us and yourself a favor, let you work speak for itself.... > Arguments and the like, or other seemingly bashed activities, Im sure > its happened > to everyone of us at some point and time. Even Im a very opinionated person. > It doesnt mean the work you have done is useless to the community or > that you should pull out. > > Well my work or advise is not wanted here.  GitHub seems to be ok with it though From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 01:19:59 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD204E9E904 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E6F67D237 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:19:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x234.google.com with SMTP id v186so6142762iod.7 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:19:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sh/KQMAkxjEhR6ntx1WaAiLSFfK3K5yk2JwGsEjasvY=; b=SBZHxzsWeH7M491jIJoFwqNNK8kqy7qPddeSXJGaZWT873kR4KCQK/atyZDmtb0hC/ vucsCAkvJ+7QLGgjODa16Vapj6v1ZO/PoQUKxPoiPoRwrCS6yfldrxYwaEGYQnAnVd9e uD8XNdmI1Ql+FSi7ZiuRE5OlliSn585x+zER0g5or6+JyghsEP7AAaB0ohWcr7klMttE HX7SH59J2kxsjxfOMqJUYM/F6x2X3AExV51XnzilgTjuWhsgwupPkBfyhH0hN5kVJTbL Yh9I+gQHvr9dHA8oFi5ApcwHsc5gORJUuuVeyKCf0xStyCW57owK/AIFnLZlo4e5Eks/ tWNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sh/KQMAkxjEhR6ntx1WaAiLSFfK3K5yk2JwGsEjasvY=; b=QrYZFAu1w5yv1oBobTa7ysE/c6QhjKvS9ErA5ajAPc+vwE/maVaGN2Z13bssp9nXq3 /C3YyxRpcoqm95KOw3T8k47MSaoLRe/3BgfMk84IJzzaTcuemk1HRJtUo9I4cvV7kFpe xJMmlwKOTa4Cnp61gFi3km9gjw//t4KAmLbMYT86QjM7uKbzBHijrSTOR3427jHRhn21 NFyHsEnHiszQz4BKxSQeZgwvnzBbm14p0aM3O8fArTMpAjEhWlOKNGw2lgJDNtgoytpR Aj4IFRxfSAdgBB44Sqbi+4jmn50BME44Nv4gisVhRrXbuNgOlKLSVU5del2Z9FL3GPva sIdA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5yD94NqspoUruL1fEge2XI9rZejnsuD6knXtM4pu6U7P0a9Xbl p2jxUlAJwKGHKvMVTpJ6lmajbw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZcVR1k6rIX0xczlhgkP86yyhr3MleIZqlVHeZtXrUpzOgt23UrdLQXI4T/cT236xkikncyKA== X-Received: by 10.107.138.135 with SMTP id c7mr50308528ioj.91.1512868798162; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (50-243-4-3-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q6sm2491514ita.38.2017.12.09.17.19.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:19:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A2C8BF3.4040607@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 18:20:51 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:19:59 -0000 Hi Baho, I have used FreeBSD for many years. It is true that it needs a lot of know-how, not all of which is in the documentation, especially your problem with booting a FreeBSD on a ZFS Raid Array. If BIOS is ignorant of the presence of a ZFS Raid array as a "BIOS DISK", then you will have to boot it indirectly - an example of which is to tell bios to boot from a disk which has grub which in turn has knowledge of zfs raid array, and has a menu of bootable OS'es, one of which would be the ZFS Raid Array. This is, for example, how we work work multi-boot systems. Am sorry for the trouble you are having. FreeBSD Releases are STABLE insofar as the amount of testing done with most common configurations. Perhaps testing needs to be more rigorous to include fringe areas as what you were trying to accomplish. But that would really delay release dates considerably. Regards, JD On 12/09/2017 06:01 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/9/2017 2:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> Please allow me a few comments regarding your rant (which has >> some valid point, but in my opinion illustrates a little lack >> of understanding of how some things on FreeBSD work): >> >>> They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the >>> "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has >>> caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. >> In that case, "they" would have kicked me more than once for >> expressing that I don't like the sc -> vt transition (which, >> as I might mention again, is one of the biggest show stoppers, >> because vt isn't a fully working replacement of sc, and it >> can do only a fraction of what sc could, and even that only >> at bad quality, and it's hardly documented). Now let's see >> what happens. :-) >> >> >> >>> Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, >>> because >>> this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable >>> work load just to make it function. >> THis is in fact a big deal - but usually this list is very >> helpful if you're willing to "do your homework". >> > Helpful as in what I asked how do you boot yo a zfs raid array? The > answer but using the BIOS menu to boot it. Thjat is just not acceptable. > > Asked how well does grub2 work and how does one install it. answer > crikets. searchging the web produces info from 2009 and earlier, that > dog don't hunt. > >> >>> Some of the issues: >>> >>> Lack of direction. >>> >>> No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't >>> boot, >>> so dig out the USB drive >> That exactly is the situation on Linux, where even the kernel >> is just a package. FreeBSD has a strong barrier between the >> operating system and 3rd party applications (that come from >> the ports collection). Even with damaged ports (or with _no_ >> ports), the system will still boot. Sure, certain additional >> services might not be started, but that's not a problem for >> the OS. In worst case, /usr/local is removed altogether, its >> structure rebuilt from the /etc/mtree/ file, pkg gets boot- >> strapped - and you're ready to install new ports cleanly. >> The OS does not care. > Not really I have built scratch built linux versions for 10 years and > have less than 10% of the problems I have had with FreeBSD. > > >> >> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will >> handle this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for >> installing and upgrading OS files in the future, so there >> will not be the big difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg >> update" / "pkg upgrade". > > I suspect it will kill systems with a ge=reat deal of regulaity > >> >> >>> source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. >> Only tested and verified changes will be in RELEASE. Then >> there is STABLE, which only contains additional components >> that will be in the next RELEASE. From here, security patches >> will be "extracted", so they can be applied to RELEASE. And >> finally, there's CURRENT or HEAD. This is where development >> takes place. A feature might be added, and the build from >> source breaks. A few hours later, ir builds again, but the >> result makes the system crash upon reboot. Next day, the >> added feature is entirely gone. This is fully acceptable >> for the HEAD branch. > > I have used all of the different base repos, none of them are what I > would call stable. I can not count on a release or version to work > out of the box, some did most did not or only with a struggle. > > >> >> Common consensus is to use RELEASE and the security patches. >> This can be done with freebsd-update easily. For those who >> wish to experiment with bleeding-edge software, STABLE is >> the right choice, but it requires building from source. >> And those who are applying experimental (!) changes, for >> example kernel and OS developers, or testers, use HEAD, >> fully aware of what I mentioned before. > > I've heard that bedtime story all too many times. > > >> >> >>> ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly >>> and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all >>> and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? >> You are mixing ports and OS. The ports tree (and the >> corresponding repository) can be reset at RELEASE, you >> can choose a quarterly updated branch (often used in >> combination with a RELEASE-pX system), or you can keep >> your ports tree as current as possible. You can use tools >> like portsnap (snapshots) or svn (tracking), or just use >> the ports tree that came with your RELEASE install - it >> depends on what kind of software (versions) you intend to >> run. Always (!) choose your tools depending on the task. >> There is no "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow". ;-) >> > I mixed no ports, you see I created meta-ports to install a standard > set of packages and when changing port repos removed all the packages > and rm -rf /usr/local, then built and installed the meta-port package. > >> >>> Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a >>> clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. >> Nothing wrong with building packages as root (if you use >> the /usr/ports tree manually). For _installing_ packages, >> you'll need root permissions anyway, or do you wish Hinz & Kunz >> to be able to install arbitrary software on your system, with >> an ugly surprise for you later? ;-) > > There is every thing wrong with building packages as root. On my > scratch built systems you build all the packages as a user. You only > need to run the package manager as root to install them as any sane > admin should know. > > >> >> >>> You >>> should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to >>> tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". >> Keep in mind that FreeBSD is (among others) a multi-user system, >> and that's why even on a PC you have a regular user and a root >> user. The non-root user can damaga his own $HOME as he likes, >> but should he be allowed to damage the whole system? Maybe for >> other users to suffer? No, that's the wrong approach. > > Linux is not multi user? I beg to differ > >> On Linux, "wget http://app.example.com | sudo bash" has become >> quite common. Do you think this is a good idea? Please read the >> command line, more than once, and look at each individual part. >> You'll find at least 5 things that are wrong... ;-) >> >> You _can_ install software locally (i. e., local to your user >> account), this is possible, but it often creates more problems >> than it solves. However, if you know what you're doing, there >> is nothing wrong with it. >> > > This has nothing to do with installing software to your home directory. > > You have proved my point that FreeBSD users/admins etc do not > understand at all what I am trying to say. > Hell they won't even attempt to have a conversion about it let alone a > thought. > >> >>> no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants >>> to listen to alternatives. >> This is something still in development (and with potential of >> improvement). If implemented in a reliable and secure manner, >> it will probably be a positive thing. But only time will tell. >> > > Well it WAS promised for release 11.0. Isn't 11.0 on EOL? The whole > process that is currently being used to package base in not sound. > Again no one wanted to listen to different ways to go about packaging > base. I was going to do that but the amount of work for me to do that > on my own was greater than if I just go back to my scratch built > systems.. Which would YOU do? > >>> After trying packaged base no one could tell >>> me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. >> You also cannot go back from pkg-based ports to the old way, >> because it's not supported anymore, the build environments >> do not exist anymore, and the old ways don't work anymore. >> >> But in your specific problem, downloading the source (with >> a RELEASE version preferred), from the distribution tarball >> or via svn, then building from source (as explained in the >> comment header of /usr/src/Makefile), should work. >> > I did source upgrades. Here then is a good example of what hacks me > off. People think they know what some one else was doing and then go > about telling them how they are doing everything wrong when it has not > even been established what the process or environment is. > > >> >>> Hell no one >>> knew how to remove the base package entries in the pkg database. >> The database is just a database, so a properly formed query >> should fix this. (I have never tried that, but basically, it >> should work.) >> > > It works, trust me I have done that. You need to hunt and peck a > little but it is not difficult. > >> >>> I >>> found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 >>> as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. >> If I remember correctly, 11.0 doesn't use pkg-base as a default. >> > Well it was implied that that was to be the future starting with 11.0 > > >> >>> Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it >>> seems >>> to have taken a back seat to pkg development. >> Nonsense. Even though you have to think before you buy, there are >> lots of modern graphics cards that work well on FreeBSD. And if >> you don't have a problem using nVidia's binary drivers, they >> usually work quite nicely and enable you a plethora of 3D stuff. >> And pkg has nothing to do with it, as those binary drivers are >> distributed binarily, so nothing can be ported. :-) >> > > Not nonsense look here https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics. > > It only works with Radeon HD 7660 or earlier. Radeon HD 7700 and > later nope. > Nvidia only to GTX 960. > > >> >>> Regular breakage when I use synth, that is just not acceptable. >> I'm not using it, so no idea... >> >> >> >>> Can not boot ZFS raid system from a boot loader, I have to hit the "F8" >>> key and select a drive to boot. No one seem to know if grub2 would >>> work. >> That would be worth testing. >> > > Not by me, I am leaving remember, you folks loss...... > > >> >>> when I started using freebsd ver 10.1 I was told just wait for rev 11 >>> and package base will be there.....Really? >> No. :-) >> > > Yes it was look it up, that was all the rage for going to 11.0 > > >>> Now out of the blue sendmail >>> is going to bite the dust in version 13, if that is really true. Given >>> the lack of finishing things I have my doubts. >> Basic system functionality breaking is definitely worth creating >> a bug report. In case you cannot isolate the problem, the developers >> will be helpful and ask for specific outputs. >> > > Bug report Hell the developers are the ones removing all support for > base in 13.0. And building it 12.0 without but leaving the "Hooks" > >>> The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been >>> completed. >>> BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. >> It is primarily a licensing _and_ modularity issue. Of course >> you can use gcc _and_ clang on the same system. Building certain >> ports requires gcc, and sometimes requires a _specific_ gcc >> version. Nothing wrong here. > > Except there are ports the will not build with GCC that use to. > > >> >> >>> The move off of GNU software in base was to have been completed and has >>> not been. >> It probably isn't still completed, and there is also softeware >> from other licensing realms. Just check /usr/src/contrib to find >> out what's there. >> > > Been there done that. I was not the one saying that base was going to > have no GNU software there. Your developers said that. > >> >>> I was looking for a "system" to use in my entire organization and >>> though >>> freebsd would work accross the different archs. I was completely >>> wrong. >> That might depend on your organization. Other places are happy >> FreeBSD-only installations. >> >> >> >>> If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a >>> time and actually finishing them. >> I wish they had been doing this with sc -> vt, but no... you want >> X _and_ text mode? NO SOUP FOR YOU! ;-) >> > > Exactly my point. When you work for a mega corp (billions of dollars) > you learn how to roll things out where they work 95% of the time. Yes > you have things happen, FreeBSD seems to make a mess every time > something is rolled out. See the difference? > >> >>> So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to >>> return to something stable and something that makes sense. >>> Incapatibilies plays a part too. >>> >>> Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". >> Nothing wrong with that. I've been using "UNIX-like" distros >> like Slackware and Gentoo as well as "preconfigured" distros >> of and on, as well as "Linux from scratch". Experience and >> knowledge can be obtained that way. But every time I tried >> something that should be stable, fast, reliable, predictable, >> secure and easy to use in production, I always cam back to >> using FreeBSD. - Needless to say, this is my very individual >> opinion and experience, and I don't claim it will (or can) >> be the same for everyone everywhere at every time. :-) > > Well rolling out systems can be as easy as this. > > Boot USB drive with os. > partition drive(s) > install file systems > install base package - with boot loader > install function package > like: > server-dhcp > server-mail > server-name > server-ftp > server-file > desktop-kde > desktop-gnome > desk-lumina > > just a few of my "meta" installation packages > > tickle a few config files and your done. One could even install > multiple "function meta packages on a single machine. > > This is how I install FreeBSD but with the base package missing. > But I am told I am a rank amature and know nothing of value. > > FreeBSD is harder to do this way because of non-packed base and boot > loader issues. Also with a broken getent makes it harder to > programmically install user into the system. > > It is also how I install my scratch built systems. > This works on my scratch built systems no matter the disk > configuration, RAID, LVM, MBR or GPT. it don't matter > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 01:44:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375F1E9F380 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pg0-x235.google.com (mail-pg0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DAF77DE22 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pg0-x235.google.com with SMTP id o2so8827597pgc.8 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:44:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ebeHGQWSimm8HPKJ5D6lILMR38KAXxe4458jqDHbx0=; b=EHMZyDzioKgJUDqATJbIua2488BbofrxDLYm1h8CywX5fs94FlqJFB7neOd3RTLeMW MFgFp0TI9ywFP0Vqqcfqj7WquTPfkWF0ATVId9ldbW1NBpfGfd8RSC4LytgzapHh/dkQ fHgUlx+UX/NTjPfWMlqGBljH9gQHVaX2UWDdl3YHgVZSPnAz8Sit/TOxPfUNwPIdHFRG 0/vE6qkHXka5Nf0BHQAlzCHL0DzJRyO5Tr3jmZvv09ki3K8GAY493puJdoMTDE6KBCbm KVReGNZ586KPc44PXmMGTiu+WsnukhEcv+7yc1JYvgnBkOq9DoRfEhLZuSchPR9pNfKg sMlA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ebeHGQWSimm8HPKJ5D6lILMR38KAXxe4458jqDHbx0=; b=R7I1/eB7QUBaBBHL9Fprk3QY3TGFQgZ6L/J1qyTeJaZmLDGI3uviIRyVDzVY4ULygM svpDEJgZhr4SqwWXMTRg2VN/fxzk20x39M1jhK/gJbyYkLBjLgCH0YYNgF4ODw8hkDTm oZKE3ieTH2KZaI27N+9F3vjgNxf0LzFd8oVDwPDGGGhFs7upQ4ybZOjRMYWsK87gtIZ+ kCUmB/zMvi7E+oSZIXgC9+Md3PQeZ1Ln24PdyJRxvwX7UGS6zk1YOJVaqbSmFSEhq7zd NYAaSCvHsAh/WXm8jzMUw9kmz5/o36V8pX+QjoxQryjtE5z59GYIDGVbBcXNZYWnG+F3 rQow== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6KyP3ekuSsLZMSbgeMBtgqY2Gza001Y5mhd2V2x+CX+UUA47Ux KFaMO49nkFgrrvYnVr58rdg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa057OS1ZUlP/Ls5wZhYx3h/lJyiyL0/1rfIEXbA8s3IPDV65gpeU9JKxjAGSraTSDR6xVUbQ== X-Received: by 10.99.124.9 with SMTP id x9mr34190149pgc.68.1512870250240; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.144] ([120.29.100.44]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a67sm17470466pgc.5.2017.12.09.17.44.08 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:44:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A2C9169.5010509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:44:09 +0800 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:44:11 -0000 > >> Secure Connection Failed >> >> The connection to www.hulu.com was interrupted while the page was >> loading. > > That doesn't sound like a VPN problem - not sure what it is though. > Is it possible for a url receiving packets that passed through a vpn to determine that fact? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 02:45:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1CCEA20EE for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 02:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CCFD803C2; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 02:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1354) id 5B27515F18; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 02:45:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Beich To: Shane Ambler Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:45:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> (Shane Ambler's message of "Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:23:27 +1030") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 02:45:11 -0000 Shane Ambler writes: > On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> >> On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >>> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >> >> Arrogance would be my guess. > > The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be > able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. Modern CUDA toolkit is 64bit but runtime only works on 32bit (bug 206711). Building as -m32 is probably still possible but may not fit all workloads nor run as fast. > >>> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >>> supported shortly? >> >> Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just >> not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and >> unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much >> worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >> >> This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. > > I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev > at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical > reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. > Still hasn't helped any. Just like Vulkan, just like KMS, just like encoding/capture acceleration. NVIDIA always conveniently forgets about FreeBSD. However, the ailment isn't really specific to NVIDIA but affects most binary blob vendors. For one, Widevine CDM is maintained by Google but EME itself was pushed to W3C by Netflix, a FreeBSD vendor which conveniently forgot a browser can run on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 03:13:55 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52D5E80381 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DDD518AB for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Ns0negrDFfiK5Ns0qe4dpB; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:10:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eNs3l-00082O-Cm for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:13:45 +0000 Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:13:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMQ/F6U4zwVgjL6X5stXsQhJ5nqE0Y8pIFZeh1p0cT4+ksLz6k0JcDjAgJYda+4NKU9M3fmBkxt2kWzWzK0EidYVYlJLNuT4zvd2WI+7Af8KecDeXBS/ r5Mu2Plam3N8fxxAqRtf+tVqWtdW7Vx+HFb+412iUyVIuCtoqk2p3owqCyAas6LZoP7H2t6Zx06iQMgJnvWgJblV1tBTxL41Ups= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:13:55 -0000 On 12/9/2017 9:45 PM, Jan Beich wrote: > Shane Ambler writes: > >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: >> >>> On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >>>> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >>> Arrogance would be my guess. >> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be >> able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. > Modern CUDA toolkit is 64bit but runtime only works on 32bit (bug 206711). > Building as -m32 is probably still possible but may not fit all workloads > nor run as fast. > >>>> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >>>> supported shortly? >>> Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just >>> not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and >>> unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much >>> worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >>> >>> This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. >> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev >> at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical >> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. >> Still hasn't helped any. > Just like Vulkan, just like KMS, just like encoding/capture acceleration. > NVIDIA always conveniently forgets about FreeBSD. However, the ailment > isn't really specific to NVIDIA but affects most binary blob vendors. > For one, Widevine CDM is maintained by Google but EME itself was pushed > to W3C by Netflix, a FreeBSD vendor which conveniently forgot a browser > can run on FreeBSD. > What is FreeBSD market share? Could be the market share of FreeBSD is so small it is not worth their time? Maybe the FreeBSD developers are too abrasive? Or maybe some other reason? Linux is everywhere so maybe that is why Linux gets all the glory? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 04:52:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FDCE8210B for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 04:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D20BE63644 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 04:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id o2so2921598ioe.8 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:52:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=27C/wPZXkLBELZYqXOORe2tpM182H8Fr7nYcJZ9cmIo=; b=KmZabUcuID4ncXEeaO35PGkcwWhbgdvtbEnZfU8g8Kz5ylQhz7cWJFiCGROcVQTrms U7MCs3C7zRPsBsNJCC1Jido5dbA/TLIjR1Ix9XMfrLek54jw4Y8tAXVJWyOJPPhUVwl0 JX5SCmBPdteBZwjuOL1dETgzycq5IzX+5sNtSj4fbl8pe6RkyVHL5u96aiGrG2PVUNfL UM0gOKtACsDAqZB4xx1mNdenAXUcFn060eZ+87ce5se61le8RVWviWoSwBRp/hzOEtdG 9JtWs3TulkzO9U8r64D16Xqx6iCXVidYQDVsUKicQdyA87pxrPOanjKVQxDDMhsC+kn4 qilA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=27C/wPZXkLBELZYqXOORe2tpM182H8Fr7nYcJZ9cmIo=; b=d0GsWacJBYihSipE4czt3mtB8rknBZ2wj2ht/awS1PSPpi1kS1oOB1hNVKfD/61csF DvShfIOcC9iXiff2sw44/umfNm2O3eYYu95HWepU1mBjEUKkKL5f5EDYvR+e5NONIEU7 TKbzrrQaMx9q0/6I3CI2Yb12AdFmrus1wHAaryDVUZR/VRGGHolt7xjAw1+3U8C4hF+Q vlqFASrzEk7Hn8jqj353LPjTeYnX2AnCSx39eQaoukvLq3Ht1YgR1dGf8coaR/gkcY/E 25DGVl+EheFX+OHsUZs3fva3kXRLNccnNXLYW7PvZfyxf337AhC6w3U0djUE/WIfJE2O 1beQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5x6YLpJ1z/8Pw509siUOJf1iTDlSoRD5SVQ80qkePquG9+v0XX PsH0PSUnzB9CDvCkLwuRWiAKqRC8Thi8TSe8l1c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbD2f5wnTMY5wAwNoyLel92knd6QoAJaV6JGcjbyjqF3xkamDYedAt45hCc3wiSKXJFUkXRX3z36tDo0skT6WY= X-Received: by 10.107.85.5 with SMTP id j5mr48191330iob.296.1512881552053; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:52:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:52:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:52:31 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 04:52:33 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/9/2017 9:45 PM, Jan Beich wrote: > >> Shane Ambler writes: >> >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >>>> >>>>> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>>> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >>>>> >>>> Arrogance would be my guess. >>>> >>> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be >>> able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >>> >> Modern CUDA toolkit is 64bit but runtime only works on 32bit (bug 206711). >> Building as -m32 is probably still possible but may not fit all workloads >> nor run as fast. >> >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >>>>> supported shortly? >>>>> >>>> Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just >>>> not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and >>>> unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much >>>> worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >>>> >>>> This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. >>>> >>> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev >>> at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical >>> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. >>> Still hasn't helped any. >>> >> Just like Vulkan, just like KMS, just like encoding/capture acceleration. >> NVIDIA always conveniently forgets about FreeBSD. However, the ailment >> isn't really specific to NVIDIA but affects most binary blob vendors. >> For one, Widevine CDM is maintained by Google but EME itself was pushed >> to W3C by Netflix, a FreeBSD vendor which conveniently forgot a browser >> can run on FreeBSD. >> >> > What is FreeBSD market share? > Could be the market share of FreeBSD is so small it is not worth their > time? > Maybe the FreeBSD developers are too abrasive? > Or maybe some other reason? > Linux is everywhere so maybe that is why Linux gets all the glory? > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > @freebsd.org" > NVIDIA doesn't forget about FreeBSD, there are devs over there that uses it. The issue is FreeBSD didn't have enough devs willing or able to do the work necessary to get the graphics ported in a way that would bring interest to this platform. The linuxkpi stuff is cute but it's not a real long term solution. The whole DRM/KMS needs to be ported to FreeBSD and have a few major titles over here; Steam for example, that would get people's attention. It's something that will get done but it needs some time. @Baho Maybe if you spent more time providing solutions and doing productive work you wouldn't have to be feeling like nobody wants you around. How does your answer help anyone overcoming the obstacle of getting CUDA on FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 05:20:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C03E82704 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:20:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@nofroth.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x233.google.com (mail-vk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C710063EFC for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:20:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@nofroth.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id n63so9090428vkf.2 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:20:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nofroth.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dGwHq6tFlYf8H7QRFwE+ICxKY/1Z09BaKr2inQQwlfY=; b=F1kyXKoNHfsChUUCmsy7elNgTPUrzQDXuvq61PUT9Opvwl3eCJrp16pXzeGB5rzdHM sX8xRRrONI6bgm6vq4bBkXN7d5Drh875fHMeqN41oufv5U0EOMnmlOUKyP++NucRkeUu rs3YZgOGYPH4NirHkvjDDDRsG/FdicPwCmMGtag8tb2QRvyLvgtsuXnn9mSRWr6UIhzf bqvOopIsUEd4t2vsf/DPoIUCAc89wwCn4TedyFr13hd2mncDWTWH62RlrSqBrMUGnejK v1T/C/X6DmYprcf8scPtLmoGnT80Y8tsYpzGBWyFhvaCder1ZRbRsWFMK4hYoQKnX0n7 WoOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dGwHq6tFlYf8H7QRFwE+ICxKY/1Z09BaKr2inQQwlfY=; b=rOql8Oebr8VdYJf4hoq0uZLFG53+K1/7jh7swTus2ofNaQIvohwyICRsFAGcBa9MsH ZpStLazQdRytG1Dvj24SdYuyY+G8kWLNddBU+sYMcI++PRS0BTHerbOh+CsgD/N+jPNP EXRUSyyzeKQwzA2vo/rvF65tsaZp/OSpF97U0QHfc+0ua/ZXONYPto1pUSHYY+E/hi6e bd9QI1kneEin/1TqctlVIqggQ1PsXUVM1vqApqCeEtDE7gGL9d86NQW5Q03dILfdZ3ID TFPspdynJkFp1bWbr/pgEupRt9SHV4eeFbI8W3XuTua1r1AGG/ynrOH4lx/HlH3RcMLC 5+TA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLPCWLeNUmgIEpCEDtAcATuFCqOlcmZX0MJ6T5rig7qbj8xeBsc OOUPS+wtsW/pVr4qMZP5pgPSa/jepHcXWBvnzy3miQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZrEns7WD0zseJq4Ozg6TXR62J3Sz1B74eLidyF3Pjlf7i3ChFn4UXAbif1tlA+lurYKhNYnujUQQMWAk0Arl0= X-Received: by 10.31.3.147 with SMTP id f19mr21745617vki.84.1512883214851; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 21:20:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.50.196 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.50.196 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:20:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5A290AFD.1080902@gmail.com> <20171207131353.5bdeb3276b704f35e2a103bc@sohara.org> <5A2C9169.5010509@gmail.com> From: Duane Whitty Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:20:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: openvpn & win10 vpn To: Ernie Luzar Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:20:16 -0000 I recommend using a tool like wireshark. It's the only way you can be certain all communication is going through the VPN. A common culprit which gives away your ISP provided IP is DNS. Best Regards, Duane On Dec 9, 2017 21:44, "Ernie Luzar" wrote: > > >> Secure Connection Failed >>> >>> The connection to www.hulu.com was interrupted while the page was >>> loading. >>> >> >> That doesn't sound like a VPN problem - not sure what it is >> though. >> >> > Is it possible for a url receiving packets that passed through a vpn to > determine that fact? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe > @freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 05:51:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE8BE83049 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EC8E64AB1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vBA5X7mZ063612; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:33:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: DTD To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Polytropon Subject: New packaging approach Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:51:30 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote: > However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle this. As you > might have read, pkg will be used for installing and upgrading OS files in the > future, so there will not be the big difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg > update" / "pkg upgrade". Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues similar to those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of 'oh s--t' rather then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or even versions numbers were for those of us (read me) who do not track Stable for similar reasons. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 06:07:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA712E83500; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD3F765072; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id m11so8781628iti.1; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 22:07:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=D2dXfAhJbKGLKvyhewSzbtPuYYGL1JZ/VdqWI28RSco=; b=kLKTtHsdnoXngFGT719LMVHR16JbOj7rfhOZbXGZ8HA5E4qkXc+BXTYxVGa1IN7Tv/ sqeQ0yq8sri50bgiTvTvvlIqyPnMr9z2WyoHowgSFWIeK6qvoxbiSBFbsjLcQ1A2OSgr 58P1BPruaaR2jahtxRJC66L+S6WvGguifhVoTzs20ef+iAVxNT83tolCszkfOPHya7ow x1AfcgQTqUSPDzOjMW8dA/qrec1JZJkX1324EszxHPx2Sxm/Y9mCZPbBpym6bZKjdrit fpNcqowqM+2ztPiSuACJvP0Mb/7ZNwQTAmku+Y3+rBWWhaUfTiOquhbmOQKdmuLWGs/E 9ZJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=D2dXfAhJbKGLKvyhewSzbtPuYYGL1JZ/VdqWI28RSco=; b=Pzu+xRT38vMcmSfM+tVNpB3VYq4VgccEZKP8ZSnSUkxsA5ufCd2Y4LfTh+mg2uvAd+ 44J+qLiySlog5XSVPQ+slouTD1W5fayBcoAN6bow65JaxLGXH67yIhlZzjmgiT8a3GJV 2gBlK6hpiU/27srd8JV+8UIcZXdmQWX+3wGtx2ngmCF+IlX5wa5EfOsysYV9xbG0+sVr 79zzLSAP3CCKRwr5qSLWAtb5UBdk1zH2VhZnPUU5KfWJuxNfj7vlk1YWOztTA9EKUkYm YAAgPZy2u+ITWfscu9V67zhoQ3bebHP5QPKI4rGSLYRDPtdsuLXJ8RgeGJTcazQ+bkyc jOSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLNltCGsLCpjmPD8geYQJxVYt7mSA6PjrfoYEta4AQOUibwKz5j D+f8Hjc/HnoAofFNpPp7P+xQMRRVwWfcVtu85Uc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa5mgW/bbb0z48GQ+NEE9EgiLnOfZGtG7T/GKfdGlPXnNY128IAKmE/HP8DrpgOA144wxc+lSf0Y/9kv7csdXw= X-Received: by 10.36.116.135 with SMTP id o129mr11601221itc.119.1512886067524; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 22:07:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:07:47 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Makefile show all flags To: FreeBSD current , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 06:07:49 -0000 When porting software FreeBSD has a lot of internal makefiles that gets pulled in that setup the build environment: /usr/ports/Mk/* Is there a way to print out the env during the make process so that I can see what knobs, switches and flags were set before the build is run? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 10:16:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C3CE88219 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBC7F6B4F2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([74.134.208.22]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id NybreETZ7goKNNybteRJKU; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:26 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:12:52 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGXmJcWNJP+cBIspdYcq24qtQjCvjXe24303urBpzYfJSy3qGqmds4xIaAX4D4S2CbWcFTDjrOk3vxZFWr+MCJ/CZZ7XifqNi/z92ZvHf73PsdfdaAu1 2ruNk/8lIA1O1ysyhC3Dhm4cxp18tQrwwETj2IUKWTOtnrjBKej3HlmcpKYry7wB9ZF2vNgsUhWWcw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:16:07 -0000 from Polytropon: > Please allow me a few comments regarding your rant (which has > some valid point, but in my opinion illustrates a little lack > of understanding of how some things on FreeBSD work): > > They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the > > "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has > > caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. > In that case, "they" would have kicked me more than once for > expressing that I don't like the sc -> vt transition (which, > as I might mention again, is one of the biggest show stoppers, > because vt isn't a fully working replacement of sc, and it > can do only a fraction of what sc could, and even that only > at bad quality, and it's hardly documented). Now let's see > what happens. :-) I remember the switch to vt was necessary to enable xorg to work; this is also true in NetBSD; they call it DRMKMS. Copy-and-paste by mouse in FreeBSD double-spaces lines; mouse on console does not work at all in NetBSD. In NetBSD, I like booting into a 240x67 console; I can work better than with 80x25 or 80x30. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 10:26:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7676E8866A for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta02.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC2976B9D6 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([74.134.208.22]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id NyoyeQYHGLrBHNyp0eug2A; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:26:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:26:21 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBTlGmCXuRrL/yniTlXP0ESpG6PzMEWKoK2kP/9DpwPEnS2yrnbwOkFZ7IifZi9Y8TSU2tuizqD8Sc0h7ajzy2jaSF4u0YyRN9DEUiSwV7G7iNlrqyly uKGZ2oP+j9o7IPMblpq7gSNuy4oO7nlfmPrT1iP8tEXg466gYm9Nkx5D8CvqawafrWhkYFYQsCo0RQ== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:26:57 -0000 > > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:41:38 -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about > > > Poudriere. ;-) > > How do you pronounce it anyways? > In Germany, "poo-dree-ray". :-) > Why not an easy to understand abbreviation, "BPS = batch > packaging service", or "FSB = FreeBSD software builder"? > Then you could say, "My software is from the FSB!" ;-) > Polytropon Poudriere looks to me like a French word. So I pronounce it the French way, even if I am in Germany (where I have never been). 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an older system that has an NVIDIA video card. The system is mainly = used for storage and as a mail server. Is there any advantage to installing the "x11/nvidia-driv= er" port? vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=3D0x030000 card=3D0x13023842 chip=3D0x10c310d= e rev=3D0xa2 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'NVIDIA Corporation' device =3D 'GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]' class =3D display subclass =3D VGA --=20 Carmel --=-=398+s0TBIwwzTm=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlotGZoACgkQjsagALPk YOtB7wgApfrBngfFn5siejd65By8zinePYtAQ0BErSfpt0j2QkPNFY63r4KE8Klp WQhM+qx/oW2TGuKjWkczxlIv7Ka5g0X1IGVhG+W94z0RdRWwG0W5OQDK9n6KOuqE ngnXki53UjtOxBzeo3mrGFA/sfXojMzQX3twjpb46CC47tVcZljniveOU5EUd/V1 Zpex8lGXw+XFHK+3f4J1yIoa5r4XVoMVKsKEmg852F0qEgii7FZ1GKCUbyw6Ygz2 xF2y/sDAuo0OLfnCxboCYh2eTHVSvTsGq7MAPrskjG/j87liEku5ToWIAZhqRxpf NX0QTTQ1vPPZd0AtBYcJRivqdQOzEA== =JjmM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=398+s0TBIwwzTm=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 11:32:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251EBE89A67 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:32:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD3526D77E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id m11so9128243iti.1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:32:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PkZ8W1WSNcoaQn0lm3RWW6mX15HBiGkTikpJctvugOU=; b=F0AxIm4Ym7seGPBWGWDAMTkifS5Y+YSmNSwJa/+6jvZUXN80+TdGRzE4FcQreFiYbx v75stSX2oyrif2eAiOPYRErsQlsYrqAle83ZLZ+mS6HDFTB2/wUvvPDepqGVX2nsYoy/ l1BE5niVpN9eSJllqPMmnDruOK6tisRIUPqxWa9y2dcLpH++Ndg1QKRT6HlrsyG2L7wE 8oMwJF5C1mjVVqYPL/uiiHwEG2kIAL1CiYhKWTFEODxlJaHvf9b5TVk9n/iI+E6J9icL +Nc+qwN/bpxv5FIom7mZb9xlJaKjrpbXfW7UOGDbTL9ToDduLEnfUoQ4q6AE+5o9l8BY ql7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=PkZ8W1WSNcoaQn0lm3RWW6mX15HBiGkTikpJctvugOU=; b=eUd+dv4gZP07VXB3u74yJOscFLQtLsT9NJosrVfz1FiT2G/NbbqUX0xG5Qf3AhbvpK 0TGyExMPvY1YvP4iEwfiVlF/Leu3opHA5PbbQmRHVFhgpUG94avz1xB0RteJnOADbuIP +IuJTO/2A1H7mPF6XN5WU3SlhZSZx2eMoJl8Vhs1aAyhFC2ga03FFESTpw81VaJ8USEM AIPIeee0zkGZFGrqcA/kJs1z9o4a7jI4zsazKAGPqbLsSUaTcGXj1B4tudJtncfYI1ta ZZ2fdEnzkpYOT9lj5FjyVP7EQz052wczRfrp1v5pSEoeh31ms2fhzz04JCaxva4iM8OF SH5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mI7emoSFvwTN16GfRWIniekNthNc8+YVWGBmpMtmj9b1MGcVJNF UtujaraWjOPCo+6D32zvQUfD2OnrWqtKR0nqyEY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZzgBH7tCuZsasCnaizCVU2aQIyzfHZEUPh85Mq+snBIEybYQQv6+ggaBDDsRpYYU5D4ElzFXRsiNKBv5XYgtM= X-Received: by 10.36.221.147 with SMTP id t141mr13011539itf.140.1512905562951; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:32:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 03:32:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:32:42 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Need for video driver To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:32:44 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > I have an older system that has an NVIDIA video card. The system is mainly > used for storage and > as a mail server. Is there any advantage to installing the > "x11/nvidia-driver" port? > > vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x13023842 chip=0x10c310de > rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' > device = 'GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]' > class = display > subclass = VGA > > -- > Carmel > If you're only going to be using the console, I wouldn't see the need to install graphics drivers. Will you be using anything other than ssh to manage that server? 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:33 AM, blubee blubeeme = stated: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >=20 > > I have an older system that has an NVIDIA video card. The system is > > mainly used for storage and as a mail server. Is there any advantage > > to installing the "x11/nvidia-driver" port? > > > > vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=3D0x030000 card=3D0x13023842 chip=3D0x10c= 310de > > rev=3D0xa2 hdr=3D0x00 > > vendor =3D 'NVIDIA Corporation' > > device =3D 'GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]' > > class =3D display > > subclass =3D VGA > > > > -- > > Carmel > > >=20 > If you're only going to be using the console, I wouldn't see the need to = install > graphics drivers. > Will you be using anything other than ssh to manage that server? I have access to the server and usually access it directly. I am just not s= ure if the NVIDIA driver does anything outside of an x11 environment. --=20 Carmel --=-=YUkcrNmNwxlRjZ=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAlotI60ACgkQjsagALPk YOtwyQgAkKG9DO4ezOv6Azv/vX0K0Hh8WhzRUO7zMKQ016TSteE/srGOjCFLlfXG m9iN9ZfnVA8SiQGwp2Iu5CNcG/GQNmr3CDYckPEVWOEGN9bXj/XJpq2CjmHF1BOO GgpT14x/3IN8gMn4lJHsIFLQBMT1gha2tSB2cC+YWlCDUgk4FvT1Nq/4ESuZyJva UEfllOUWnVx7kYne0Y81FKmfQseDl70k0EwgmNXUX5sJyqSOJQkphRZfXcs0p9cu 2rJhnzkFynFK7hBapDYoqajyy7EUZ1P5y675YFVNfWqQAquVbGk4cbnwNBt6do9v 5SU3ictEHV59BHn+nDBKuKnRBEICBg== =XBb2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=YUkcrNmNwxlRjZ=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 12:36:35 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E04E8B7C8 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE5116F6F2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:36:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O0riexumZmG8pO0rleWtOO; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:37:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO0qM-0008Be-QF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:36:30 +0000 Subject: Re: New packaging approach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:36:25 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfOwOkFPvEW6vyAFbb6WjAQq4D9XY+0LoW74K311RJHxT/huC+XBDEfgSyANKLglsJlPI7H6yAmB2YDu/6wduuHBEQ7trvrO3YzS/hz6Po9ZXm7yyOD/6 rwWRGDMM5RWqtEOdykU0Wh8o4tBr0/KrlkR0cZnBrKBenBpMQpcI26WISb6L+fP7o6JZITeZcRiOYF596ZboDaKOld2RdZ0H914= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:36:36 -0000 On 12/10/2017 12:33 AM, DTD wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote: > >> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle >> this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and >> upgrading OS files in the future, so there will not be the big >> difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade". > > Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues > similar to those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of 'oh > s--t' rather then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or even > versions numbers were for those of us (read me) who do not track > Stable for similar reasons. > The way the packaging of base is currently being done will*guarantee a great level of OH SHIT. * From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 12:39:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671B3E8B918 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33FC76F826 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:39:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O0tYenWV8dX1SO0tbeDTOT; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:39:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO0tY-0008Bs-AU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:39:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Need for video driver To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <0078e1c2-cbd3-22ce-cf37-633750527fe6@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:39:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfADy7sPOAM0A0wVD422GGtEAzooeiUc0tKgexpPqOnn5fBbjbRShaMlTfbWbF204f2HJ9aT05pIpSUcQfLIh/JmcKYqy+RCdsq2Y/dEqac+VIxWM7Coo 22axQmb4YqRN1Se5ChmT9pBdw/QhRXJpCMyKFNqdhqXGs/ebvvn0iTq4EzULQ8jWZEVkhG3R0NehF8mPQ9wpn6p3bys3Kz/oJm4= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:39:53 -0000 On 12/10/2017 7:08 AM, Carmel NY wrote: > On Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:33 AM, blubee blubeeme stated: >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >> >>> I have an older system that has an NVIDIA video card. The system is >>> mainly used for storage and as a mail server. Is there any advantage >>> to installing the "x11/nvidia-driver" port? >>> >>> vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x13023842 chip=0x10c310de >>> rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 >>> vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' >>> device = 'GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]' >>> class = display >>> subclass = VGA >>> >>> -- >>> Carmel >>> >> If you're only going to be using the console, I wouldn't see the need to install >> graphics drivers. >> Will you be using anything other than ssh to manage that server? > I have access to the server and usually access it directly. I am just not sure if the NVIDIA driver > does anything outside of an x11 environment. > If you are not using xorg the answer is no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 13:07:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFDFE8C1A1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5927E704D8 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1512911237; x=1515503237; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=83/CF11fCH17+erMKO2pZAHnl0Z7yhv02QnshUrIfd0=; b=KfzLfhbCXJ8WG37NJwPuW0C1pBU4mwnpllR63qboSOp4ftgUGZ/iLJi5PXqaK6INueLcEaFuMaecepd4oZexpeP7rhYEXniiesZ7eAm8Ph8DGHG9S1xkURXmnsXHgi9ZE37UjGQAeCsi9tEHabveFh135SLk+JYDNLKzGyVpQCk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDYzNmJkYS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [52.204.195.176]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:07:06 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r5.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 08:07:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eO1Js-0003nB-V6; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:07:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:07:00 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Restoring sc console look and feel with vt Message-Id: <20171210130700.3fd3ecce0b45b567c9fd9509@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20170905151245.f592508c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20170905151245.f592508c.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:07:14 -0000 On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:12:45 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > As more and more systems got updated, vt has become the default > console driver, and sc and modern X seem to heavily collide, so > there is no way back. However, even though vt basically works, > the modes it automatically chooses are far from usable from my > point of view: The text is far too small to be conveniently read. > Also the colors seem to be "wrong" and of low contrast (compared > to sc, that is, on the same hardware). > > The "just works" feeling somehow has been lost... :-( I stayed out of this thread because my system doesn't have the effect you describe, the console font is nice and big (80x29 on my 1280x1024 monitor) but a quick dig around didn't reveal any reason for me being so blessed. I've stumbled across that reason now. My ancient nVidia ION hardware is supported by the old nVidia driver that doesn't speak KMS. Without KMS the display stays in vt 640x480 mode and seems to find a decently usable font by default and I can flip between consoles and X with no problems. It seems that KMS is the problem rather than vt. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 13:09:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF3BE8C29B for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.home.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C83E705DA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBAD9M60007942; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:09:22 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here To: Erwan David , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209223810.8de0bbf7.freebsd@edvax.de> <16c8fa46-d201-11d2-5ce2-6d37de0c717f@rail.eu.org> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:09:22 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16c8fa46-d201-11d2-5ce2-6d37de0c717f@rail.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:09:28 -0000 On 09/12/2017 21:44, Erwan David wrote: > Le 12/09/17 à 22:38, Polytropon a écrit : >> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 14:41:38 -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>> Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about >>>> Poudriere. ;-) >>>> >>> How do you pronounce it anyways? >> In Germany, "poo-dree-ray". :-) >> >> Why not an easy to understand abbreviation, "BPS = batch >> packaging service", or "FSB = FreeBSD software builder"? >> Then you could say, "My software is from the FSB!" ;-) >> >> >> > I do not know if it is related, but in french poudrière (Poo dree year) > is a room to store gunpowder. According to Collins dictionary it's either a powder magazine(*) or a powder keg. Given the logo on the web pages poudriere creates, I think the latter meaning is the one intended. (*) For those whose first language isn't English, magazine in this case means a secure room used to store weapons or weapon related stuff. -- An amusing coincidence: log2(58) = 5.858 (to 0.0003% accuracy). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 13:34:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07333E8CC9D; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [IPv6:2001:19f0:300:2185:a:dead:bad:faff]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C876771603; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@catflap.org) Received: from donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [104.207.135.49]) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vBADYLIM079285; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:21 GMT (envelope-from jamie@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id vBADYLgI079284; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:21 GMT (envelope-from jamie) From: Jamie Landeg-Jones Message-Id: <201712101334.vBADYLgI079284@donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:21 +0000 Organization: Dyslexic Fish To: gurenchan@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Makefile show all flags References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.4 7/29/08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (donotpassgo.dyslexicfish.net [104.207.135.49]); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:22 +0000 (GMT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:34:23 -0000 blubee blubeeme wrote: > When porting software FreeBSD has a lot of internal makefiles that gets > pulled in that setup the build environment: /usr/ports/Mk/* > > Is there a way to print out the env during the make process so that I can > see what knobs, switches and flags were set before the build is run? Is this any use? make -dA .... It's pretty verbose. I'd suggest running it through "script" or redirecting stderr to a file! cheers, jamie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 13:37:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F77E8CF29 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAE0171882 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id d16so10399432itj.1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:37:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qFdahwPA5bqZkBkT9qEVraufpamsFb4Vuh+iw76ry9E=; b=L8QZrXdaZJsmkEQG5DUe6ZUKcuLVP+SdpuQq4/eXz496xCsVHALQ55cpwNthVyFoY8 nn/7NroXYuldHE/JUnTR53w5epGbK/RPx0mMSiVxQADuvRbjngF3wKfkKnBAKygB5CYh h7koAMIc0OLnQ2k/uQHgmNlINJLn2005xFTuOF5PbdZJ83a2xeiKkc8haX6UOItrkeZ7 5pAQadsu3Xh1MrZsy/Dibb79PAjNWPU1jLMzG64Srrgr/E8K9/Hcu7HUbl4w/FlSMcAm qOwdspRHN2FThTG7Or6L9ZvHbT9Fz+TEyoEKy7qy8PG1pmE2ugRYDO+yhcdEisYleLRV v/1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qFdahwPA5bqZkBkT9qEVraufpamsFb4Vuh+iw76ry9E=; b=DACFsNhasUqGaMpOiFUlObFA1OY/ACHaNZ4yHqafbUZ1+dy2v2qJ55yYoKf51bT9av LtLE1vB4bsxgPsPnUrdKBNn5deiUOcgswPkK/pHolfGphpB+AwuFBqnnaIDrDsXS1SbM FmVKOrqwzM8YlGDmuJKcX59Sc6vIwL0ZztIuHRZSyTytlhfQIRPqHJlrHAGXH7MMgH0Z gGqGP1625MrY+vjyVKvl7Y9O/PUMkAFU1iTxIWdFwJmM9y6VR9opKZQeIanpflIZZfcJ D5pimENR+7hBGvbZDAWHh7j+hr45vlv8AWEwnOCpeuKaZfyBB54E6IKoVXKvJ0WSwWtl n/nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIlgZVDUt0xHpj2qHFZhU4wca5dkXzwRnXJkmhRTIJIghE2jbat m2ZKsgpq45cRdRWK0SjPIcVz78adwcQQhr82xPY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMae3vKqZgTAoQnOa4Ao+yBCLqUFu6b8aHuDxbnsmxJG1HQuvKm0y2yo97qoTjwnBB+JWE2he0/JYHhWJkiSlO8= X-Received: by 10.36.167.77 with SMTP id s13mr13765247iti.51.1512913077146; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:37:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 05:37:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171210130700.3fd3ecce0b45b567c9fd9509@sohara.org> References: <20170905151245.f592508c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171210130700.3fd3ecce0b45b567c9fd9509@sohara.org> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:37:56 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Restoring sc console look and feel with vt To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD , Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:37:58 -0000 When I was booting my laptop in BIOS mode my text was very large and readable on this 4k screen. After updating to UEFI my text is unreadable. On the other side in BIOS mode I could only work with tty1, trying to switch would crash my graphics card [GTX 1070] and force a reboot on UEFI I can use different consoles no problem. On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 15:12:45 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > As more and more systems got updated, vt has become the default > > console driver, and sc and modern X seem to heavily collide, so > > there is no way back. However, even though vt basically works, > > the modes it automatically chooses are far from usable from my > > point of view: The text is far too small to be conveniently read. > > Also the colors seem to be "wrong" and of low contrast (compared > > to sc, that is, on the same hardware). > > > > The "just works" feeling somehow has been lost... :-( > > I stayed out of this thread because my system doesn't have the > effect you describe, the console font is nice and big (80x29 on my > 1280x1024 monitor) but a quick dig around didn't reveal any reason for me > being so blessed. > > I've stumbled across that reason now. My ancient nVidia ION > hardware > is supported by the old nVidia driver that doesn't speak KMS. Without KMS > the display stays in vt 640x480 mode and seems to find a decently usable > font by default and I can flip between consoles and X with no problems. > > It seems that KMS is the problem rather than vt. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 14:38:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85A4E8DEDA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8338573406 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29DB33C38; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B94C53981A; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Carmel NY Cc: 'FreeBSD' Subject: Re: Need for video driver References: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 09:38:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Carmel NY's message of "Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:08:23 +0000") Message-ID: <44fu8ibqco.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:38:24 -0000 Carmel NY writes: > On Sunday, December 10, 2017 6:33 AM, blubee blubeeme stated: >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >> >> > I have an older system that has an NVIDIA video card. The system is >> > mainly used for storage and as a mail server. Is there any advantage >> > to installing the "x11/nvidia-driver" port? >> > >> > vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x13023842 chip=0x10c310de >> > rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 >> > vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' >> > device = 'GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]' >> > class = display >> > subclass = VGA >> > >> > -- >> > Carmel >> > >> >> If you're only going to be using the console, I wouldn't see the need to install >> graphics drivers. >> Will you be using anything other than ssh to manage that server? > > I have access to the server and usually access it directly. I am just not sure if the NVIDIA driver > does anything outside of an x11 environment. No, it's specifically an X driver. Even within X, it doesn't improve on the generic driver much unless you're running games, watching movies, or something like that. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 15:29:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C258E8EE18 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:29:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.brinkhaus@t-online.de) Received: from mailout04.t-online.de (mailout04.t-online.de [194.25.134.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F5BC74828 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.brinkhaus@t-online.de) Received: from fwd13.aul.t-online.de (fwd13.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.62]) by mailout04.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 806B841AA14F; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:29:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from esprimo.local (rSc1ScZCZhXcyoRwVE0mCcp-kaLaEgOps7GVD2zPN6o2F0EPAC9ek7BNpse2T8DQDN@[93.197.142.79]) by fwd13.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1eO3XX-30Pmcq0; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:29:15 +0100 Received: by esprimo.local (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1F54210612E; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:29:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:29:38 +0100 From: Christoph Brinkhaus To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Carmel NY Subject: Re: Fetchmail & poudriere Message-ID: <20171210152938.GA13803@esprimo.local> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-ID: rSc1ScZCZhXcyoRwVE0mCcp-kaLaEgOps7GVD2zPN6o2F0EPAC9ek7BNpse2T8DQDN X-TOI-MSGID: bc1e1b6a-68c0-4568-a001-36ed59b76c24 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:29:30 -0000 On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 11:00:41AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 05:11:31 +0000, Ben Woods stated: > > >On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 at 7:41 am, Carmel NY wrote: > > > >> I am attempting to build "mail/fetchmail< specifically: > >> "fetchmail-6.3.26_5" using poudriere. > >> It refuses to build it and gives this as the reason: "You are using > >> OpenSSL from ports and have > >> selected GSSAPI from base, please select another GSSAPI value". I have > >> used the "options" > >> options with poudriere and confirmed that GSSAPI is set to none. Building > >> fetchmail using "make" > >> with the same configuration works fine. What is causing the problem. When > >> using "options" with > >> poudriere, it shows the correct config file settings. > >> > >> -- > >> Carmel > >> > >Hi Carmel, > > > >Can you please attach the poudriere log for the failed build? > > > >Regards, > >Ben > > This is a link to the file: > https://seibercom.net/logs/Fetchmail_Build_Log.txt Hello Carmel, according to the log file GSSAPI is set to BASE: ====> GSSAPI Security API support: you have to select exactly one of them GSSAPI_BASE=on: GSSAPI support via base system (needs Kerberos) GSSAPI_HEIMDAL=off: GSSAPI support via security/heimdal GSSAPI_MIT=off: GSSAPI support via security/krb5 GSSAPI_NONE=off: Disable GSSAPI support The options generated by make config appear in /var/db/ports. On my system poudriere checks options in /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/11amd64-ports-options/. 11amd64 is my build jail and ports the set. Please try to copy the options directory to the location where poudriere seeks for options for your setup. May be that could solve the problem. Kind regards, Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 17:58:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3CBE93067 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D5417A2C1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Md4Fu-1egAx73QGI-00IDw6; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:58:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:58:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD Message-Id: <20171210185834.7b244303.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0uglPqHtzDPpNcIau+L63pCy/8CAXHAur7LRf+6rnJnH8fJcVMa TfP6sRaZMmMoRtu6/NzyL8cNRMruKFjL3kf/xDlgqc+Ue5w6M9WcxbGUkRFZKwJ+O0oo3FS YCKmOXpiqmW90pK8tXnjVIJO08K6WIAGABOzn8nz1P1GS1X6fZU0ZmwsW9lRI9FIkAScdZ1 CMl0xf4NzccALzG+EYtxw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8rmGvmKo5i4=:Wnot9qmgj5xh3utcWIjxXs jqV3qClzG2gvWmyzoRBPhitDisEqppFu42xmewAeWn/lEqfYgoI3CgUbu2UJdtXcT8sgvL0kt obtn9CY1n/ixI7tHYDGJRSMrE2Z7Khf1VhM1MzaZxZb8uVywdKLmu/5fbApVBNstkZyIpz57D iV2oXWW657aSRvr2R0IBqqQytxtNu2sUnI7fTYMw9XNLilgiOX2W6HRxGr4KFegFuBzSv6BJU 0sZKSKXYRKIIpdQPL4FsdE/Z7KQBVgj5+QLmbkKQ/fytvdq6xp4J20iOMOFADKFgWZ7bj5UdP yEbQ69nJLU46TSBXRLGumP9THkZWjHo+BuNavMOHj5QQBqNsCcqgqhVjoQBtTSOk3LmHSQw9X NhPLaoBXGFpjmHCRLx7Sb/QwzXZTkv70NkTw8xDdalGhJcXygtJ8HLeQ3lhSl9GnKszNRszFo P3kC3A+ZBwZiUpGYZYsxHmD3aV1hxBhJYlTs7Ik5vj/eD9pn4GoEhqypxUtU0E7FGLjnjXqyy BdmIj/9YPtnn7ydbqBJCVe0J5oMZnxTLLIVJZ3sJe9ibLehlTnPZuuO92lmq8xBNAGX20n0I0 z/9+5r9d7IU6OE2ZWUv72EPmVT59G3+j0Z0K8hs1fP6h+CGVIVjD7204eDU8YP9nPEGP81A6n AOxxphIiau5hrcrzegVh/m756X+zDyU21thGXsVvrzhDeznlP4yhHJSXlUQ55sFBCKo5JLd6O 2jGo/xoDZWNUE0N4ZME97RxZjS7bpcSH02Pqcy4ZqhzKGJviqjNwRtjqCOM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:58:49 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:13:40 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/9/2017 9:45 PM, Jan Beich wrote: > > Shane Ambler writes: > > > >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: > >>>> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me > >>>> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under > >>> Arrogance would be my guess. > >> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be > >> able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. > > Modern CUDA toolkit is 64bit but runtime only works on 32bit (bug 206711). > > Building as -m32 is probably still possible but may not fit all workloads > > nor run as fast. > > > >>>> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting > >>>> supported shortly? > >>> Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just > >>> not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and > >>> unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much > >>> worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). > >>> > >>> This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. > >> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev > >> at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical > >> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. > >> Still hasn't helped any. > > Just like Vulkan, just like KMS, just like encoding/capture acceleration. > > NVIDIA always conveniently forgets about FreeBSD. However, the ailment > > isn't really specific to NVIDIA but affects most binary blob vendors. > > For one, Widevine CDM is maintained by Google but EME itself was pushed > > to W3C by Netflix, a FreeBSD vendor which conveniently forgot a browser > > can run on FreeBSD. > > > > What is FreeBSD market share? FreeBSD has no market share, as it does not participate in market measurements such as "units sold" or "licenses obtained". You cannot - I repeat: you _cannot_ tell the number of FreeBSD installations. You can hardly guess it. The reason is simple: As I said, FreeBSD does not count "units sold" or "licenses obtained", so all the installations made do not increase any numbers. Additionally, FreeBSD is being used in non-PC and non-server systems, such as embedded solutions, appliances, routers, switches, firewalls, IoT, and so on. You usually don't even _know_ if FreeBSD is running on a specific device you are using. The termini technic you are searching for are: 1. usage share = how many installations are present, how many people are using it, etc. 2. mind share = how many people or organisations are aware of FreeBSD existing Those are numbers you also can hardly guess, and they are still much more significant (especially no. 1) than market share. > Could be the market share of FreeBSD is so small it is not worth their time? The usage share (if you want to understand this as market share, or at least as an approximation) is not significant for the manufacturers producing those devices - and supplying the corresponding software. So it's simply not worth their time as it doesn't generate revenue that justifies that effort. > Maybe the FreeBSD developers are too abrasive? I don't think so. Typically developers invest their time in getting hardware running when the required specifications and documentation is made available, and some devices even get reverse-engineered support. > Or maybe some other reason? > Linux is everywhere so maybe that is why Linux gets all the glory? That is quite possible. Top computers are running Linux, top companies are using Linux. Linux runs PCs, servers, peripherial devices and appliances, so you could even say: Linux runs the whole Internet... so, yes, it actually is everywhere. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 18:06:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F1FE93626 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B79427AA60 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MFKXk-1eIXYA1itw-00EO5N; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:06:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:06:37 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Thomas Mueller" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171210190637.fd648800.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201712101747.vBAHlV7Z002410@r56.edvax.de> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <201712101747.vBAHlV7Z002410@r56.edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:shjT1whFeAmWeeejX8BKwp+OMpx45+cBcpsvbJ0rPhcQQ7xkzf3 klOR2LjiezpRY4zHWpkPHONWXxlcm8XnnXyJYTboRBK/8ALMIaq3HaeOLBOrYoyM6wFxgAA Xffa/BGxVr0YnQsrjxcsf0pBLYHNHOgDUC9dS6ng0fM2nYpb3wBq2zwZvCjk273csabetzB GQriTh20ML+GHjTkzgvnQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:5o8LWUkmbnY=:j1VMRZHk3vVKS9KEk5k9pw 2xObQWhALpnG+7d8NOCDzdUQkeGi97TFNVgLMQ459ZGfo4MIE+RILu/MnqamysnacFYsl01dU MFVU/5+m6dkmev/kIn1jnUFHSewGt8OuPQnSyGTgb5a09gdhG+PmLEmg1SvzIHvhT37qGOCOa tAUaFgSNaSGNt7HABMrGXY6V6CeCVvSg4kUNKAROUAHJMGykjUtFsHD6zPXVyIPh7yV7I4KBW e0mbMYT+sYkkmE+ZyCC404xLXVws9Jy65N/nrG6kNYIiIVmwPx4S5MpLeIX2PSa4Kv8Q01iiQ HsUyTgI9K5q8jfCZe9vvNPevLFptMopmmS9k53kifEnZEK9U8AyoAOOYnJ3j9dV7yfHdAtMtr 5IG+Glxzw39sXc3/qMZ+o4Tojo0qCnpgvCcbvWHW+/q736tE0o6HUTP337dC/U0gNt2SonaNN kJWMGeu/1s9NKzhKlmfcWc/WFmul8RsQVdTs03Ib7LEHuqT/Z6fz6F6gxzMF18+yh9hxXBNK8 I8SwQbPZcK3XWLjdNzmF9MT0/AH8uxJjepvVJDJctSVWlzn+qv0lw1HfNJWcRCRelfmacNgXh JjE+pnH+40egcQsuP5jgSb87hB/+8A8tPXt/k2rPPA/X+o62/OtOBqVlTaIF/q8AGCiCpQMzE IRwFRVtnjXc08Szh0H7G2t9/CP4rZyDu8bVX5L8jEq2Acr+ZMB7HTNcxJ9VUAvOPYW59W07lG SsXuJpOaKIAyOicmojZmbg6IDfdANJJie5oHrLe/M770OnE2UKtnjb0fQ0o= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:06:50 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:12:52 +0000, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Polytropon: > > > Please allow me a few comments regarding your rant (which has > > some valid point, but in my opinion illustrates a little lack > > of understanding of how some things on FreeBSD work): > > > > They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the > > > "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has > > > caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. > > > In that case, "they" would have kicked me more than once for > > expressing that I don't like the sc -> vt transition (which, > > as I might mention again, is one of the biggest show stoppers, > > because vt isn't a fully working replacement of sc, and it > > can do only a fraction of what sc could, and even that only > > at bad quality, and it's hardly documented). Now let's see > > what happens. :-) > > I remember the switch to vt was necessary to enable xorg to work; > this is also true in NetBSD; they call it DRMKMS. Exactly that is my problem: When I wish to be able to use both X _and_ text mode, my only choice is vt (and vt is the default now, sc will probably be abolished and maybe removed soon). But vt is unusable (and hardly documented) for use as a sc replace- ment. That what I'm complaining about. > Copy-and-paste by mouse in FreeBSD double-spaces lines; mouse > on console does not work at all in NetBSD. I think this is due to the UTF-8 inclusion... hmmm... > In NetBSD, I like booting into a 240x67 console; I can work > better than with 80x25 or 80x30. Then you won't have a problem with vt. However, users with limited sight or those who require a text (!) screen of 80x25 in order to drive a hardware Braille "display" or voice will no longer be able to use those devices with vt. There simply isn't text mode anymore. The strangest observation: When I boot my system, it starts in 80x25 text mode, then the loader is running, also in the normal text mode, then the kernel will boot, still in 80x25, then the screen will go dark for 5+ seconds, and finally arrive in tiny crappy font which I can hardly read. Changing the font does not solve the problem. So if you want to get back to 80x25 you need to get the right combination of screen size, resolution, and font. And note for those using a CRT: It simply doesn't have a fixed size in pixels... Summary: Time to say goodbye to 80x25 text mode and concentrate on using X terminals - simply because when you're running vt, you can run X, and setting up readable terminal windows is much easier in X. I will now get kicked off the list because of complaining. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 18:11:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0A1E939FF for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E12D47AF04 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue104 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MA6Q5-1eCmS83W7F-00BMDh for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:11:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:11:05 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need for video driver Message-Id: <20171210191105.69765076.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:YowMWX65/TCJWl0sOO6ALkpNSdvmNfpi0bQ/deWoIeIDBYnFbA6 aJ3B/qD7D99ngtpOh7DkNXOuTVKtVgvWBCw4iRCeniqX3est2SPY29hp4BVZlmQYfQDgFV8 /LkEuBtRUEaaCGHjnAl3VoBKsoOPkGfwedqjpGM83f6x91gD2Dgk5eNFofDvELiuAnYBe9f xd+31dwJYrJGx4RmpkAOQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:PyZGOtLnvN4=:85hYLxm+PxrxJt4zzQkMAQ gqSZAczg3maRwBc/SPpOkc8WXdkKTCsQFWM+1mhoKXNR5SUMsG780wadnm/dUEoPCJJD1TTFv C8NWyC98rtIq5u10gqt1nFtWznWBMvPYevTRArQ9fWlvqnMsEfYxzFQGCQaBzZ6G5Zxgp8jX6 hcIPdH7ET3FtoxeAyEGbjJPeA+wztDhQz7eNKG+PnGryDWP5R38LVf3oQsf1BwP+HKihXZMWo +sIfvZsARF6TFdudxbszVOyMwwEd2NGWopRAA25vCMy35tWvTqKzxRxprjOtIBgoQ+MnRYE3c UwbpwZ3KnXuH4FTOqJt22vrbN1mM1AmnjjiDjpjBrMn984oMzGp6QzkVIzBfXuJ9ZvifPVrh+ 4OAIaHW7lllmF+pC078SYSCgfHNH+Xrl1fgBgUqEanQBKAXSJRK9ARK/UXmQ9CMzmZUKMXH7l 2Z2skK/kKOwffEK7lRsIPfcHpKopkHcMz4N4PSsOlmloPlPZJ48ZTza7Ua95lxpKvxN1ha4eq sc44APfYJPeBUTP0a/JzfQoAkz6P6znDCarE2wEqimbJu8HVuJVEzcMAv7eVa7C5iTONlR64B 8xH3bRf4JHGNKery0TVqRHuwkLjXu4FjFB0/J6kKNWM4l9I3NN6vFU4u4wAYwSfsfojPb7bp9 EhNVz7BKWT9GN5a/nlHYyHbd3DBA/dgGQAmFAHWnAjEhofVl3kmVuYBTNVSNVQ7L0Vgp3EgyG O8h+ULzMqLmIDe339ylS+/NSghQHHmsdXYhS47mluA50x/IbnQwaPVPS5xc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:11:14 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:25:28 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > I have an older system that has an NVIDIA video card. The system is > mainly used for storage and > as a mail server. Is there any advantage to installing the > "x11/nvidia-driver" port? > > vgapci0@pci0:1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x13023842 chip=0x10c310de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 > vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' > device = 'GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]' > class = display > subclass = VGA You say it's _mainly_ a server. If you want to use X simply for administration tasks (like controlling stuff through a web app), VESA should be fully sufficient. Only if you want to do things like extensive web browsing or desktop environments, it's worth comparing the VESA performance to that with nvidia-driver loaded. You will _then_ probably see an increase in speed. Of course, if you're not using X at all, there is _no_ advantage in loading the driver. If the system is being used as a server _only_, there usually isn't a point in having a GPU in the system at all, especially not a high-power nVidia device. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 18:34:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC34E94842 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F707BABC for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B8389E94840; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F0DE9483F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from mx2.blackfoot.net (mx2.blackfoot.net [216.14.232.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94B347BABA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vagabond@blackfoot.net) Received: from bmfe1.blackfoot.net ([66.109.128.161]) by mx2.blackfoot.net ({0885e9ce-1b01-11e7-852e-37eff1d936ea}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20171210183058330_0000 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:30:58 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from webmail.blackfoot.net (unknown [192.168.100.126]) by bmfe1.blackfoot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D4240362 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:29:55 -0700 (MST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:29:55 -0700 From: vagabond To: Freebsd Questions Subject: Need help getting crash dump Message-ID: <635e8b5a7a1327165c8b12a0ff4ebf4d@blackfoot.net> X-Sender: vagabond@blackfoot.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.3 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: blackfoot.redcondor.net@66.109.128.161/32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:34:33 -0000 Having trouble getting system dump after a (repeatable) crash. 10.3-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p20 #0: Wed Jul 12 03:13:07 UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr /src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I originally had crash dumps disabled, so changed dumpdev="NO" to "AUTO" in rc.conf but still no dump in /var/crash after a crash and reboot. only thing in /var/crash is minfree, which says "2048" On boot I see the message "No suitable dump device was found" which I presume is the problem. An issue may be my sys config, as /tmp and swap are memdisks. Not sure how or if I can modify fstab or the config to get swap on disk for a crash dump save since the disk has no swap or tmp partitions. From fstab: /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 # gpart show ada1 notes => 34 488397101 ada1 GPT (233G) 34 6 - free - (3.0K) 40 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 1064 984 - free - (492K) 2048 8388608 2 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) (/root) 8390656 33554432 3 freebsd-ufs (16G) (/var) 41945088 446452047 4 freebsd-ufs (213G) (/usr) physical memory is 4G Thoughts on how to proceed? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 18:54:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03232E95CDD for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:54:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33347C6CA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94CB66289B; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBAIsUOK014517; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:54:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vBAIsUB9014513; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:54:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: Baho Utot cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New packaging approach In-Reply-To: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: References: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:54:31 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:54:33 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/10/2017 12:33 AM, DTD wrote: >> >> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle this. As >>> you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and upgrading OS >>> files in the future, so there will not be the big difference >>> "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade". >> >> Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues similar to >> those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of 'oh s--t' rather >> then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or even versions numbers were >> for those of us (read me) who do not track Stable for similar reasons. >> > > The way the packaging of base is currently being done will*guarantee a great > level of OH SHIT. First, I will qualify my comments by saying I am an end user. I did take Kurt McKusick's internals course a decade or so ago. Never ended up going anywhere with C but it was/is a good way to understand the workings and to be a better sysadmin. My experience with FreeBSD is that once release engineering was fully integrated into the upgrade process in the 4.x's, maybe the version 5 era (memory goes shortly after the tolerance for coding 12 hrs/day) I have never had any issues through cvsup, Subversion, and freebsd-update. If you follow the releases, they work. Maybe if you are developing a port or are a contributor to the base, things are not so rosy. But here in userland things are better managed than IBM did with MFT, MVT into MVS. I'm pretty sure those guys got paid pretty well and did not have to have a day job to do what they really wanted to. That's a really wordy way to say I disagree with the idea that development of the base OS has been mis-handled. In server-land since 4.5 no gotcha's here (as a keeper of servers). Things are a bit rougher if you want to run a FreeBSD workstation. On my current desktop I have gimp, libre office and my window manager of choice. 613 packages and items built from ports. The pkg frame-work is much improved over the old pkg_add et all. However, the number of combinations of {613,n} where n is the number of shared libraries, dynamic and static is a large number (finite but unbounded). And all involved have to get all the dependencies right to have zero problems. My concern is, if it works don't fix it. And, if you must, I would like to start getting up to speed on it ASAP. I have access to every freebsd list but have not found a discussion of this. My only request is to be pointed to where I can follow the discussion. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 19:48:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D214FE98DBA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91F867F4E9 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id d137so11191841itc.2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:48:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ABxMgCX0I5f0IP6+iknqp6sRGdU59ek5FHwHC3WxX0=; b=AJ2xNfnHRln8sEAtVP9CV+x993kDbSVfz+xd/fn7IHmyPAMDHklYDQKY6eO03ZDVlC 37ejjRSLGi7I+kis8iaYCOVqr+dwIu0oc7v0QqOe9gHAl3hrku2lvVFWHcyifS9EHJSx 08aHruQRqrursS4PFNXKvL1WG2nz+vpKnpRF2QA09zktwt8Nxdq8tSyBvZ2mBR6BzwAa aTXjD10uRjCB38xi35aKx/1C0vu+1ljbxG1eLhsS6Fo6CQHdumWDi0MXsi2uGvIzTjbF CHHoo7vgRyc2C7DqbPlu9woZW5/BqPAgyxW8hR9wq0dFZyWWPhTHHBzVSInOJ4bT+Loi tIpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ABxMgCX0I5f0IP6+iknqp6sRGdU59ek5FHwHC3WxX0=; b=l4CumW0bQ1+e89qT1uRotp7VOn3CzxmnXcmxIw8+7rGt0veRmIxJ6VwyJU7rBT/nAd ultlwYsROBAvrSo5MDyQZd515P20ipRQW48mVwnhCyhPnwtm9ywmd54t13yX0dHp7fCh Hd2m0jvzMrs/kepHgurOrLcm5OkOwzL6/NUiiI+2TwoNAKTm3yjupgu1pkJJyiz7Vki2 9Rn3A/6EiW3IU5HBcsZst6yWXWLqDwi0xMnl+hNdi+B7M0eVxyy6Q4Rm50pG2TSshD5T 5fq4Jzm67KKvHXfqGKR0uyB6gPpQiiRW3r8Sd5YREvtA76jhFnxeHCDmKHB7CXmgVlzW JeXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLcZeQ08VovFX1mORJRW3q6gzAQX3v+oeBXqIJfiTPFTs3KDgbl 8BdRoKNGT9lSfPLWxsybCn718A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbURFPz1QVgYwpwyAhLFzA+pR2RC/+7i+t/v9rHpehYGmXJsQAdBr+3z4l0pRE0E1IEt097AQ== X-Received: by 10.36.48.74 with SMTP id q71mr15998693itq.95.1512935281807; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (50-243-4-3-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.243.4.3]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c196sm5651903ioc.55.2017.12.10.11.48.00 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:48:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:48:55 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:48:02 -0000 On 12/09/2017 08:13 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/9/2017 9:45 PM, Jan Beich wrote: >> Shane Ambler writes: >> >>> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >>>>> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>>> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >>>> Arrogance would be my guess. >>> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be >>> able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >> Modern CUDA toolkit is 64bit but runtime only works on 32bit (bug >> 206711). >> Building as -m32 is probably still possible but may not fit all >> workloads >> nor run as fast. >> >>>>> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >>>>> supported shortly? >>>> Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just >>>> not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and >>>> unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much >>>> worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >>>> >>>> This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. >>> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev >>> at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any >>> technical >>> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. >>> Still hasn't helped any. >> Just like Vulkan, just like KMS, just like encoding/capture >> acceleration. >> NVIDIA always conveniently forgets about FreeBSD. However, the ailment >> isn't really specific to NVIDIA but affects most binary blob vendors. >> For one, Widevine CDM is maintained by Google but EME itself was pushed >> to W3C by Netflix, a FreeBSD vendor which conveniently forgot a browser >> can run on FreeBSD. >> > > What is FreeBSD market share? > Could be the market share of FreeBSD is so small it is not worth their > time? > Maybe the FreeBSD developers are too abrasive? > Or maybe some other reason? > Linux is everywhere so maybe that is why Linux gets all the glory? It seems (to me) that fbsd might be dropped altogether, and developers will not waste their time and talent on an OS that has a very very small installed base. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 19:57:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E403E99610 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from mx2.webtent.net (mx2.webtent.net [216.139.202.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29827FFA6 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@webtent.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTP id 82DFED7BBF for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12357-06 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.112] (media.rfitz.com [96.254.71.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: robert@mx2.webtent.net) by mx2.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Exchange) with ESMTPSA id 0DFD3D7979 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:52:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:52:34 -0500 From: Robert Fitzpatrick User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Windows/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: Boot issue after upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:57:48 -0000 Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer boots to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK prompt where I have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I get my automatic boot menu back? -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:27:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AE8E9A9E5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C938718D0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1512937668; x=1515529668; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0YhgDGmwwH2rOOifMJfgNmw8p7e6Irh+5RzfebH7gVg=; b=TkUc3sjWwV8LcI4jXmjeAQZkLQsAlh4p4Vde8JH973yvWjwST1nU2pGjXd3QdTqVNZ88H6g1SgSuf5Ahn3PkJAeRFMFv7AXJnGAfixI/t/HXMI1unQqDadqt880bKM5Dv93FqzTW6B/ypuUBJHP944gHZbSpvk6idlcq08ZidlM= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDY2NTZjYy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.h.in.socketlabs.com (r3.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.13]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:27:38 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r3.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:27:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8CD-000Fpr-Cd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:27:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:27:33 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD Message-Id: <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:27:45 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:48:55 -0700 JD wrote: > It seems (to me) that fbsd might be dropped altogether, and developers > will not waste their time and talent on an OS that has a very very small > installed base. People have been saying things like that about FreeBSD for the last twenty years, it's still going strong. Developers spend time on FreeBSD because they want FreeBSD, they don't really care how many other people want it as well so long as there are enough people interested in developing it to keep it going and improving. Companies like nVidia do care about market share, they know that if they provide Linux support it will make a noticeable difference to their sales but FreeBSD support probably won't. It seems very likely (but impossible to tell for sure) that the installed base of FreeBSD is larger today than it was when ftp.cdrom.com held the record for the busiest ftp site a couple of decades ago. However the installed base of Linux is far larger than it was then (larger than the installed base of any other OS if you include Android as a flavour of Linux). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:31:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5EAE9AD71 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 741D81D3F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:31:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id b5so11416821itc.3 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:31:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=dO+/CKyOu66/qaCRZX/nA175O6DbliW6jCAnEXPqpw0=; b=WzutBBIYwPvwp65G5CEFWHj1Ce52U0Kjxbi43RqBys5PzsYJl+IFEsXedQLUYx1aAx KNcRZ1rrh3BrkimKpbB6pcDPJIVvYDUnSdcG7+o7w4ZgrZ1sEtvjISTZNtqkOlfKatZS TUOAsIMHnvgroHP0MKe7Kx9h2bVyEjYF17VLlBEZ9b4UUgl26uuvLFmrhk9+qqEpLUH0 dJqFhITjz0+hFsvRB1l3IdMBz5biUOjUTXCpo4EqJBny5U4m2Yem7Ie7dWxTjnLJIaPl zSMA7pJnlXJ4aiQTvVsG2Etm9j0Z9jFjvxZVpLN0im/f7HZ3KWk/87ee/c409nGeXpKj QNCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dO+/CKyOu66/qaCRZX/nA175O6DbliW6jCAnEXPqpw0=; b=I25ft1XlMe1KzCCh+LHlSPtsPBbcDoz9O/fl6ushsCU2IllCgDjOZnVmZT6QQ90XZ8 LNNSKANRXIw7yMpFk4GvfVpwNBmpdamhj8V+w0K4ne3w/zYDPC/lmn2MfN69KW7hdAus UhQtR5WaL9OQDXTGHoLbj+hc61Bb1fY5cCh+nFm2y7umugi2nTnj1XKtAnUDky2i24gQ r1I60U12cySOtNJXIuT6KzJ2GGAKuXcJ3/GogOBLwQZ14n5SFCRuKWdjopZDPRf9Gk7S VQbxbq3KROxhXgcXpEtSRKl7kx11VI5rDdb9MQsBFj8hdAzcGec5RxQwePOic2ALMFWn EUbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mI3QdCvsOE6hR/gkeaFIddnxcyhKA3awcLK6o6lY0rlrCYy9i72 tXVBaCr09ztOipUAa4cOFEfZsXjfAWCaiauztpnFctaZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMaUI1Y43I4tV/bvbZOIp64hjvG5cUkcuKGukcdk4RN6h2ivFOVOvSKdRc9F6wy4wUsII5CaxHrEoDj0oBZSNYI= X-Received: by 10.36.221.147 with SMTP id t141mr14535535itf.140.1512937891777; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:31:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:31:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:31:31 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:31:32 -0000 On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:48:55 -0700 > JD wrote: > > > It seems (to me) that fbsd might be dropped altogether, and developers > > will not waste their time and talent on an OS that has a very very small > > installed base. > > People have been saying things like that about FreeBSD for the last > twenty years, it's still going strong. > > Developers spend time on FreeBSD because they want FreeBSD, they > don't really care how many other people want it as well so long as there > are enough people interested in developing it to keep it going and > improving. > > Companies like nVidia do care about market share, they know that if > they provide Linux support it will make a noticeable difference to their > sales but FreeBSD support probably won't. > > It seems very likely (but impossible to tell for sure) that the > installed base of FreeBSD is larger today than it was when ftp.cdrom.com > held the record for the busiest ftp site a couple of decades ago. However > the installed base of Linux is far larger than it was then (larger than the > installed base of any other OS if you include Android as a flavour of > Linux). > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > NVidia just Loves Open Source, even Linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniC93r2o9I So much they wrap windows binaries and toss them off to Linux. Ask those Linux Nouveau guys just how much love NVidia shows them. You have two options, fix it or let it be. What's with kicking up all the dust? Can't fix it, go do something productive and learn. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:44:40 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3BEE9B773 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41B062922 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:44:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O8PdeU0p1fiK5O8PfeAMGp; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:41:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8Sc-0008MP-3R; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:44:30 +0000 Subject: Re: New packaging approach To: doug@safeport.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <1c6fbb48-6029-2d93-8fff-675ef800b3c2@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:44:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJYKATgGC4gktX4mWEp7lZamIcuuzQ04L1+jTzEuozWFfgQK8Jr1luF/MT99M5mUI9AQbnNkdBTZciOH/sW6Z2MWpqeE+dSt6YaE9pWivwFM60ZtZJG5 ZvS2FdJ8+5hqqSk5Peq5GjAy/E4ldoquQWc+3FORfftXj2t3l6m1tXIGjj29+p1i60+eXB1FCn9Ynd7iA4qZawFrYFyFwjGZa6L6pOTocz3GNDYE/wlpWR6/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:44:40 -0000 On 12/10/2017 1:54 PM, doug wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Baho Utot wrote: > >> On 12/10/2017 12:33 AM, DTD wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote: >>> >>>> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle >>>> this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and >>>> upgrading OS files in the future, so there will not be the big >>>> difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade". >>> >>> Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues >>> similar to those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of >>> 'oh s--t' rather then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or >>> even versions numbers were for those of us (read me) who do not >>> track Stable for similar reasons. >>> >> >> The way the packaging of base is currently being done will*guarantee >> a great level of OH SHIT. > > First, I will qualify my comments by saying I am an end user. I did > take Kurt McKusick's internals course a decade or so ago. Never ended > up going anywhere with C but it was/is a good way to understand the > workings and to be a better sysadmin. My experience with FreeBSD is > that once release engineering was fully integrated into the upgrade > process in the 4.x's, maybe the version 5 era (memory goes shortly > after the tolerance for coding 12 hrs/day) I have never had any issues > through cvsup, Subversion, and freebsd-update. If you follow the > releases, they work. Maybe if you are developing a port or are a > contributor to the base, things are not so rosy. But here in userland > things are better managed than IBM did with MFT, MVT into MVS. I'm > pretty sure those guys got paid pretty well and did not have to have a > day job to do what they really wanted to. > > That's a really wordy way to say I disagree with the idea that > development of the base OS has been mis-handled. In server-land since > 4.5 no gotcha's here (as a keeper of servers). Things are a bit > rougher if you want to run a FreeBSD workstation. On my current > desktop I have gimp, libre office and my window manager of choice. 613 > packages and items built from ports. The pkg frame-work is much > improved over the old pkg_add et all. However, the number of > combinations of {613,n} where n is the number of shared libraries, > dynamic and static is a large number (finite but unbounded). And all > involved have to get all the dependencies right to have zero problems. > > My concern is, if it works don't fix it. And, if you must, I would > like to start getting up to speed on it ASAP. I have access to every > freebsd list but have not found a discussion of this. My only request > is to be pointed to where I can follow the discussion. Have you ever used the "packaged base" If not you don't have a clue to just how bad it is From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:47:29 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D00E9B9F7 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C0C2C6D for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:47:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O8VLeAOkodX1SO8VOeH7Ep; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:47:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8VL-0008N4-HZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:47:19 +0000 Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:47:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfILXx0cjgZUsWhKZLWGN/fANML9FaVPKAC9htM2TLCDA4lGr3izStlUtzuruq+9ARCfuHrjy2SlRGEfZMHPmAxAAhVVCDi1bZShmz4Z67dR6LzoUBjLw iRiSmh8Vv85IpssCYw/LwdinyZcp/gvLpVIsfLPcpav5xGcuL7EoFoyQ5VOFbgqMD2DD/LY2z6H0nl2AChQ0dn2RY4XtW9R951I= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:47:29 -0000 On 12/10/2017 2:48 PM, JD wrote: > > > On 12/09/2017 08:13 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> On 12/9/2017 9:45 PM, Jan Beich wrote: >>> Shane Ambler writes: >>> >>>> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >>>>>> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>>>> the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >>>>> Arrogance would be my guess. >>>> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we >>>> should be >>>> able to run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >>> Modern CUDA toolkit is 64bit but runtime only works on 32bit (bug >>> 206711). >>> Building as -m32 is probably still possible but may not fit all >>> workloads >>> nor run as fast. >>> >>>>>> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >>>>>> supported shortly? >>>>> Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just >>>>> not to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and >>>>> unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much >>>>> worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >>>>> >>>>> This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. >>>> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev >>>> at one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any >>>> technical >>>> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into >>>> it. >>>> Still hasn't helped any. >>> Just like Vulkan, just like KMS, just like encoding/capture >>> acceleration. >>> NVIDIA always conveniently forgets about FreeBSD. However, the ailment >>> isn't really specific to NVIDIA but affects most binary blob vendors. >>> For one, Widevine CDM is maintained by Google but EME itself was pushed >>> to W3C by Netflix, a FreeBSD vendor which conveniently forgot a browser >>> can run on FreeBSD. >>> >> >> What is FreeBSD market share? >> Could be the market share of FreeBSD is so small it is not worth >> their time? >> Maybe the FreeBSD developers are too abrasive? >> Or maybe some other reason? >> Linux is everywhere so maybe that is why Linux gets all the glory? > It seems (to me) that fbsd might be dropped altogether, and developers > will not waste their time and talent on an OS that has a very very small > installed base. exactly my point.  Plus the way development is proceeding it make for sure that freebsd will bite the dust.  It really does not offer anything that other os already have From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:48:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14590E9BAA8 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:48:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D77AB2D5A for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:48:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O8W3eAQw4dX1SO8W6eH7Wu; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:48:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8W3-0008NH-Lx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:48:03 +0000 Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:47:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFEZUGIDA1rpS6pxvL0r97EBvn54YbFMuZEJJUUsiV7EVNj01UECDaChiEoWxCmnnqXosrGCL7i6c+xMfKNfYY6/4JzlH5pIwJkbOHdks5MtnBo+U4E2 sZdARjnSxAUyx3Ul1wcKx7wwAglWZlxhhDpBxbFvdLtU0Fb2dpIk/vqID8u0yPmpoVHTPo0qq4SyLkjnAJYzU3R1BqWyS/ipmFE= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:48:07 -0000 On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer > boots to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK prompt > where I have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I get my > automatic boot menu back? > And another bites the dust..... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:51:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFB5E9BCBA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43BD3300E for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O8ZAeAZymdX1SO8ZCeH8do; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:51:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8Z9-0008NU-Rz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:51:15 +0000 Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <5c0045ec-099d-567e-a339-44b69a7fc302@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 15:51:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBeQqjJ1qgN+NQ74w8qGCtdz288PnNMxlM5EKUjkDHX9pbL6BLNSnozPOfVlIgW1czRbxGjFCM1/O/1H/Ub6YaA4QWPOaD4ctTetlBEVsSYXaRrOcCnx mnHdepOlrT+bVW/TK5wtC/RMiUy3yWW4033F3t08xbksM6/aETG/LmZARbFLFzOOJLWX+B0mq5xSmyyOc/wlCd4aYgWTBwlLp3c= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:51:26 -0000 On 12/10/2017 3:27 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:48:55 -0700 > JD wrote: > >> It seems (to me) that fbsd might be dropped altogether, and developers >> will not waste their time and talent on an OS that has a very very small >> installed base. > People have been saying things like that about FreeBSD for the last > twenty years, it's still going strong. > > Developers spend time on FreeBSD because they want FreeBSD, they > don't really care how many other people want it as well so long as there > are enough people interested in developing it to keep it going and > improving. Except for the fact that the devs are always complaining about not having enough people to do the work.  That is why the posts almost always say patches are welcome or something simular. > Companies like nVidia do care about market share, they know that if > they provide Linux support it will make a noticeable difference to their > sales but FreeBSD support probably won't. > > It seems very likely (but impossible to tell for sure) that the > installed base of FreeBSD is larger today than it was when ftp.cdrom.com > held the record for the busiest ftp site a couple of decades ago. However > the installed base of Linux is far larger than it was then (larger than the > installed base of any other OS if you include Android as a flavour of > Linux). > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 20:53:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20C1E9BF2A for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F13D33D9 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [93.209.225.78] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8ag-0003CR-RO; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:52:50 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id vBAKqoAv004568 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:52:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id vBAKqnDf004567; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:52:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:52:49 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD Message-ID: <20171210205249.GA4537@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.209.225.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:53:00 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable $ grep baho .spamassassin/user_prefs blacklist_from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAlotnpsACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRGojhAAnvzCs8XK7m8iJM4J6AADR3O27zXnL+CyNuMN/dhFIBjLJwTP6Kmq+TRf APpX4pArim8+J+CiZ894tP516z97SOIJkchQ6xFRkmt1OjtmnTIns/D9muYJdxZj /NV789X4XM6e5BWY/m6nT8PEw+OTu7PuVfxCpepRzLKDmF5j3U5pM4H6V+L62lzH YXx/6KZ+uavAR8RnhNMmjSiy4SeMp3vcrBaw/S6DtaFuJgSD4THH9oRObR7/5Ly9 +aWCYf6bJHhKx3WCj3Q1ldtiH3scDnDfKK06px04SpiOfh3d37Zfr9ZNAqollIxC 9u8TTHuCqTWABO3zmwKgv/iAVHn1dj2oB6d8XatIAHqawOIc2s8mcZZfSQucxnf1 yTNUBFAfIGfYjF5Q6XMq26o2aOxrnBLmfUQv0U0JcpUd4IpPvtKvn0d3N4mmB5yY pz/1Ki5h/ffDuClMaaCnBACY2CmjyHhM+yLAcGE01kBnZhXWe8qXXLQNuKPEfSpG phh7zZLecko3HN6gGFP+4ilCZw8HJPH3PW2s9Efq7UvZE7S9x0AaDU5DjQJcmruY yLKvJ0kABl5lJyiRMOL3N5wZ3oFiXe555/0aPqH4d4iZYGPouU+LucjbZu76EsCg bkpkmnlSzRZmuOjcz3AFkG92Q4vO3Zqzh1j0IhTujBXk78q/L0w= =LoBQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 21:00:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5712E9C4C9 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gewasiuk@blackhorselabs.net) Received: from mail1.blackhorselabs.net (mail1.blackhorselabs.net [34.236.90.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3187395F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gewasiuk@blackhorselabs.net) Received: by mail1.blackhorselabs.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id C6B9790BA0; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.blackhorselabs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57C590B9F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:00:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:00:42 -0500 (EST) From: Gordon Ewasiuk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> <20171210202733.82d271c7b45a85f28b5ff46c@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:00:50 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 12:48:55 -0700 > JD wrote: > >> It seems (to me) that fbsd might be dropped altogether, and developers >> will not waste their time and talent on an OS that has a very very small >> installed base. > > People have been saying things like that about FreeBSD for the last > twenty years, it's still going strong. What's that old joke... "Netcraft confirms FreeBSD is dying!" Yet, three of the top 10 most reliable web hosts, according to Netcraft, run FreeBSD as of Nov 2017. People have been saying FreeBSD is dying for ages now. Yet somehow, all these new features keep turning up in new releases and those brilliant FreeBSD developers keep delivering the goods time and time again. Also, consider that we've seen spinoffs from FreeBSD like the robust pfSense firewall and the feature-rich FreeNAS storage operating system. All this angst is much ado about nothing. There's a place for FreeBSD in our world. -Gordon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 21:01:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A90E9C6B5 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 279DD3C33 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O8kZeLm3XmG8pO8kceahvC; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:03:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eO8jD-0008OC-B6; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:01:39 +0000 Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <5A2D8FA7.2030401@gmail.com> <20171210205249.GA4537@c720-r314251> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <4133634e-36a3-8ded-ef0d-799861a6de4f@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:01:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171210205249.GA4537@c720-r314251> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCjHID65UdJ7HlbOUI321n/lHdKotaI3uX0zUZQo+k1lCR5nXscWBS5Nesxngxf5uRzpPOV6p/ntKGVUtpydzOJPVQkowDxiiHbgEE2nF4Br71rsZVAa 4m3xo+LwnhzsOrI+OQT4yD/eY1ouwNUa3Iv/jwovuJKABRpBF0wqq4HDvAN1DgqQPYzPZdYtscTsFGDiPTGrx8j3Fax2t73zPpM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:01:50 -0000 On 12/10/2017 3:52 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > $ grep baho .spamassassin/user_prefs > blacklist_from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com > > Thank you I will not have to listen to your nonsense From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 21:30:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02160E9D3C3 for ; 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Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:30:02 +0000 Received: from smtp226.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (EHLO [192.168.0.203]) ([10.218.253.215]) by smtp404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID -714381238; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: <55ae026c-8159-74a0-240c-351177964063@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:29:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 171210-2, 12/10/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:30:09 -0000 On 12/10/2017 3:47 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > > On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer >> boots to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK prompt >> where I have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I get my >> automatic boot menu back? >> > > And another bites the dust..... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, I'm sorry, I've been watching your posts since they started.  I would suggest you go back to the Linux world and stay there. Having a computer science degree and understanding things at the bit level, as well as being a Sr. Sysadmin for over 25 years, quite frankly, a lot of the points you bring up are dramatically untrue.  I find your postings to be nothing more than trolling and bashing. If you choose to be constructive with solutions, I'm fine with that.  If you choose to be CONSTRUCTIVELY critical, I'm fine with that.  As for what the user base is, and the all the other things, including the above, you are grossly misinformed. I make my salary as a consultant on RHEL and other Linux variants.  Thank the Linux kernel and its supporting userland is so unstable and has so many CVEs.  It's going to keep me employed right through until retirement.  If they were to fix everything (package dependencies, etc), it would be so much easier to administer by all these clownish "I got me a certification" people. Darwin OS from Apple is 90% FreeBSD.  Apple is, by far, the largest shipper of *nix systems in the world.  Netflix... FreeBSD.  Do some research, FreeBSD is in more products than you imagine and outstrips the attempted in-roads by Linux products.... (all 250+ variant OS's based on the Linux kernel) I used to be from the era of Slackware.... The stability was terrible.  The Linux following continued to grow due to many who weren't trained in proper software process and procedure wanting to be 'Tech!  Me, too'.  'Lookee, I writes a program'.  To this day, I laugh at the fact that RHEL is 3-4 versions behind CentOS as, due to requiring stability, they can only move forward once it is at the stability level necessary of a true commercial product... aka pseudo-bulletproof... but still not at the quality of FreeBSD that can release a x.0 release and have it run flawlessly.  Also, the CVEs reported over a release lifetime is less than 10% of those of just the Linux kernel versus and ENTIRE OS that FreeBSD is, kernel and userland. The Linux kernel and it's userland just don't stack up.  I have non-tech people using TrueOS on their desks and small business using FreeBSD for their file servers.  They can't believe they run for a year before I do a simple 30 minute upgrade to the next rev... and it goes, again, flawlessly. I believe why people are banning you from lists (if they, indeed, are, which thid community is not in the habit of doing), is due to the toxic attitude you have and pointing out non-issues that are encountered by user error.  FreeBSD is rock solid, stable.  Sir, I find you uninformed and pointing at non-issues.  This list is here to help people with issues they encounter.  Please stop detracting from that purpose.  The list is here to help persons with their issues, not listen to trolling rants.  If you have a question, as per the title of the list, post it and it will be answered by a courteous, knowledgeable person.  (Since 1998, I have seen little in the way of non-courteous, egotistical, clueless responses from this community - The same cannot be said of the times I have to use Linux community lists.) Please, have a good day, but also, stop pointing at non-issues and saying "See, lookee!".  Anyone can break anything.  Anyone, uninformed, who wants to ramp fast and not read documentation, will have issues with anything.  This is akin to not reading the directions on how to put something from IKEA together.  Lack of reading directions usually leads to this list. P. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 22:16:47 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196C2E9ECD9 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F0865768 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lyvo0-1fAR4i0CRs-0149c4; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:16:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:16:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Robert Fitzpatrick Cc: Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade Message-Id: <20171210231630.800ae3d8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> References: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:0BiTXZH0oYmuj8nyC3H5JoKMe0pAikAdjgaIjmddGVpg/BBj9Qy aL7Sr+P+86DxvBh3KTFjkJaJmS+asfXQsDdZm/Bcafs6FI+Qva/fPDbz4mJKQYYDRx35tYe N/Wk4Jg+mwXLlf82LKrJ3+PmZwAWy0zFOcOhNckcJWqiOAR5n1MyDQM5zjaraX2+yLMZlJ1 70uqzV7uWnMNu7N42kMAA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:WKq9p33ssFc=:dXVQ6z7158sAWDYMrj9L1v oUlSMmjckS8rDMUxUUgBfjPH3iRHtiwFKfDep83BoHGtQBWnjfnWZAhk4L7m7+Wil3OLVKFGo jOAdAKfcBBwICzLJy1iJeCepb3YWR2aHRuyFFHfXU8bWDzTjNY1y6AfoYPmv18gai2rMnMA0+ +WGjaFPAnTIJp1JDKycL6HR5o5F/BKBCXdF1XFPiGvONUAmPznPeWTKEm124juBqJ/tY1oazV VO5wyoWtysQ0bg21o+7Q6H0NHS5sZczCatQ9/J1DWHgGCYhV7o+ojBku/2z87JSc+y9tPXSNd D1rVPtEALJkANzAVGbCwb+iOdLOIYZShSo7EnH+6mm5JvCg0lzS2FHgmHIlnRAsJKlEErOuOC sRVsQtFfVaadXeXSCLze5mX1bjf3GUAtJ/tQxC94/ca/OKtIORKidsYx94N8/gIy6v5xRpMJY jMkXOxS8kXNE+2bRqRLOuOGuXsiCF7UAOzLDk3P7Vq9f/RVzNrRdxtGdoJePKanuLJLYf0I71 5fnzIGoPSkXZGhWnuNvAfvEe/FQvIt1XH/QMZpCZ1qugzHLSQ6Vu3wc2QFPAvoexcVL+xdsC0 Talav+kLrQV7bXIlWtV5ncsU8xbBmsMSmbMZWrL/289L8OIG0e2/YIBGg2c+NV94r0anws3S5 tjYSjRbW6jEAXmwta8xqYBU0f9qhbxMU/N5vD8s4TtTQOyGqf9Ln2mSYUWUChzS97AGMsuf4Q hI+iuYsSY/yLY7vRzkgOK9rPlX5yAsKzZTLzvLQwUUwmIOhMyPST2kUX1WM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:16:47 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 14:52:34 -0500, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: > Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer boots > to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK prompt where I > have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I get my automatic > boot menu back? The prompt you're seeing indicates that the boot process has been interrupted prior to the loader (that displays the BSD boot menu). Somehow your boot code got damaged, so the device to boot from needs to be entered manually. Depending on disk partitioning, labels, or setup in general, I'd guess that you need to run "gpart bootcode" with the device to boot from. Compare with the list of commands here: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html This should fix your problem. Still, I cannot tell you why the required information from the 1st boot stage has been lost... For further reference: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/boot-introduction.html Note that fdisk is still mentioned here. It will usually still work, but using gpart is today's fashion. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 22:47:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A32E9F876 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin@grouchysysadmin.com) Received: from outbound00.knthost.com (outbound00.knthost.com [209.195.10.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14D4C666B0 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sysadmin@grouchysysadmin.com) Reply-To: sysadmin@i.grouchysysadmin.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 outbound00.knthost.com C03DF4636E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=grouchysysadmin.com; s=default; t=1512945689; bh=uodvtXA38K4RTUVqPUFbShjJuqOuEzwIF2s2RP6J/Co=; h=Reply-To:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=CUrYqXOreC3vGZMTu+OK+OdRIC/L+sRWOY21zscLlGYMw67nKfiu2IMLDpUtWRizi W0AM3OqpF7fJRl/h8ZASpphmw0i54PphbQU4obuqxpQs1WUam0HMRB1XuOnZjOleT6 nva4h3BShLmksDZD0G/QaBhqi6ERWD/aZ0uZeAmaEFDO2pT8/vlPRZJwvajB+6tzNC nqYxDIDJbbwkbcXRibWJPmRjbI4ABuTOw7f+NgzMndLLZVgq9hoPpxDONxRjbWJuwh 3KUK0jkOerP8WN/yQxFOOqAiI4G7+RrgyuiUEWJmb/i3wY/RoV9MfNCMkBfgt4NMA/ SxL/WrCQ4He5Q== Subject: Re: New packaging approach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> <1c6fbb48-6029-2d93-8fff-675ef800b3c2@columbus.rr.com> From: Grouchy Sysadmin Message-ID: <483d6c09-af4e-5d4a-0681-79498fa3b756@grouchysysadmin.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:41:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1c6fbb48-6029-2d93-8fff-675ef800b3c2@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:47:23 -0000 On 12/10/2017 02:44 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > On 12/10/2017 1:54 PM, doug wrote: >> >> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Baho Utot wrote: >> >>> On 12/10/2017 12:33 AM, DTD wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote: >>>> >>>>> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle >>>>> this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and >>>>> upgrading OS files in the future, so there will not be the big >>>>> difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade". >>>> >>>> Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues >>>> similar to those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of >>>> 'oh s--t' rather then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or >>>> even versions numbers were for those of us (read me) who do not >>>> track Stable for similar reasons. >>>> >>> >>> The way the packaging of base is currently being done will*guarantee >>> a great level of OH SHIT. >> >> First, I will qualify my comments by saying I am an end user. I did >> take Kurt McKusick's internals course a decade or so ago. Never ended >> up going anywhere with C but it was/is a good way to understand the >> workings and to be a better sysadmin. My experience with FreeBSD is >> that once release engineering was fully integrated into the upgrade >> process in the 4.x's, maybe the version 5 era (memory goes shortly >> after the tolerance for coding 12 hrs/day) I have never had any >> issues through cvsup, Subversion, and freebsd-update. If you follow >> the releases, they work. Maybe if you are developing a port or are a >> contributor to the base, things are not so rosy. But here in userland >> things are better managed than IBM did with MFT, MVT into MVS. I'm >> pretty sure those guys got paid pretty well and did not have to have >> a day job to do what they really wanted to. >> >> That's a really wordy way to say I disagree with the idea that >> development of the base OS has been mis-handled. In server-land since >> 4.5 no gotcha's here (as a keeper of servers). Things are a bit >> rougher if you want to run a FreeBSD workstation. On my current >> desktop I have gimp, libre office and my window manager of choice. >> 613 packages and items built from ports. The pkg frame-work is much >> improved over the old pkg_add et all. However, the number of >> combinations of {613,n} where n is the number of shared libraries, >> dynamic and static is a large number (finite but unbounded). And all >> involved have to get all the dependencies right to have zero problems. >> >> My concern is, if it works don't fix it. And, if you must, I would >> like to start getting up to speed on it ASAP. I have access to every >> freebsd list but have not found a discussion of this. My only request >> is to be pointed to where I can follow the discussion. > > Have you ever used the "packaged base" If not you don't have a clue to > just how bad it is > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Perhaps https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgBase would help shed some light on things. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 23:05:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F2AEA0665 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DDF16750F for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id OAezeGs6idX1SOAf1eI6cz; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:05:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eOAey-0008Qi-Ra for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:05:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> <55ae026c-8159-74a0-240c-351177964063@yahoo.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <2b9077a1-4e9d-67a6-96c4-ee042881f668@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:05:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55ae026c-8159-74a0-240c-351177964063@yahoo.com> Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPJa0H8bDXMPVrkGnFFSUaTItWUaPJKb/5UbpT+ReJJO334fMbvJriYpVAh/36ZFu/F/jdgTDUAt22ymxCLeWufU+6TTd6ttMnmFIksmKSFtsr6wJrmw wfmrvZmPhmu/SPbP6kntB5Rv76tXkgcz3n7etaTRX2K1GqcLwcC2nhkp4sfHCUGUcUC2pXk8SuuSuPAtz7KL8MUQKzMOiY1O0Ec= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:05:30 -0000 On 12/10/2017 4:29 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > On 12/10/2017 3:47 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> >> >> On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer >>> boots to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK prompt >>> where I have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I get my >>> automatic boot menu back? >>> >> >> And another bites the dust..... >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hi, > > I'm sorry, I've been watching your posts since they started.  I would > suggest you go back to the Linux world and stay there. Having a > computer science degree and understanding things at the bit level, as > well as being a Sr. Sysadmin for over 25 years, quite frankly, a lot > of the points you bring up are dramatically untrue.  I find your > postings to be nothing more than trolling and bashing. > Nothing of value here,  25 years BAH means nothing > If you choose to be constructive with solutions, I'm fine with that.  > If you choose to be CONSTRUCTIVELY critical, I'm fine with that.  As > for what the user base is, and the all the other things, including the > above, you are grossly misinformed. > > I make my salary as a consultant on RHEL and other Linux variants.  > Thank the Linux kernel and its supporting userland is so > unstable and has so many CVEs.  It's going to keep me employed right > through until retirement.  If they were to fix everything (package > dependencies, etc), it would be so much easier to administer by all > these clownish "I got me a certification" people. > > Darwin OS from Apple is 90% FreeBSD.  Apple is, by far, the largest > shipper of *nix systems in the world.  Netflix... FreeBSD.  Do some > research, FreeBSD is in more products than you imagine and outstrips > the attempted in-roads by Linux products.... (all 250+ variant OS's > based on the Linux kernel) > > I used to be from the era of Slackware.... The stability was > terrible.  The Linux following continued to grow due to many who > weren't trained in proper software process and procedure wanting to be > 'Tech!  Me, too'.  'Lookee, I writes a program'.  To this day, I laugh > at the fact that RHEL is 3-4 versions behind CentOS as, due to > requiring stability, they can only move forward once it is at the > stability level necessary of a true commercial product... aka > pseudo-bulletproof... but still not at the quality of FreeBSD that can > release a x.0 release and have it run flawlessly.  Also, the CVEs > reported over a release lifetime is less than 10% of those of just the > Linux kernel versus and ENTIRE OS that FreeBSD is, kernel and userland. > Well Centos is RHEL and CENTOS follows RHELL.  Looks like you know nothing about CENTOS From distrowatch CentOS is a distribution built from the source code of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The CentOS project has announced the availability of a new update to the distribution, releasing CentOS 7-1708 which is derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.4. The list of changes in this update to version 7 is fairly conservative: "Since release 1503 CentOS 7 can report bugs directly to bugs.centos.org. Want to explain you post? > The Linux kernel and it's userland just don't stack up.  I have > non-tech people using TrueOS on their desks and small business using > FreeBSD for their file servers.  They can't believe they run for a > year before I do a simple 30 minute upgrade to the next rev... and it > goes, again, flawlessly. > Strawman pat yourself on the back > I believe why people are banning you from lists (if they, indeed, are, > which thid community is not in the habit of doing), is due to the > toxic attitude you have and pointing out non-issues that are > encountered by user error.  FreeBSD is rock solid, stable.  Sir, I > find you uninformed and pointing at non-issues.  This list is here to > help people with issues they encounter.  Please stop detracting from > that purpose.  The list is here to help persons with their issues, not > listen to trolling rants.  If you have a question, as per the title of > the list, post it and it will be answered by a courteous, > knowledgeable person.  (Since 1998, I have seen little in the way of > non-courteous, egotistical, clueless responses from this community - > The same cannot be said of the times I have to use Linux community > lists.) > Nothing here > Please, have a good day, but also, stop pointing at non-issues and > saying "See, lookee!".  Anyone can break anything.  Anyone, > uninformed, who wants to ramp fast and not read documentation, will > have issues with anything.  This is akin to not reading the directions > on how to put something from IKEA together.  Lack of reading > directions usually leads to this list. > > P. Ok I'll ask for the uptinth time How do you Boot ZFS raid,  this has been unanswered since 2013. Bet you you can not answer that. And if your up for it How to install Grub2 with WIN7 and ZFS RAID FreeBSD unanswered since 2013. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 23:10:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCB3EA0A49 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2900267AFC for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id OAkoeRoq7mG8pOAkrebdG7; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:11:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eOAjS-0008Qv-41 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:10:02 +0000 Subject: Re: New packaging approach To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <07f48e07-ce70-7a26-ea19-fd389375afb4@columbus.rr.com> <1c6fbb48-6029-2d93-8fff-675ef800b3c2@columbus.rr.com> <483d6c09-af4e-5d4a-0681-79498fa3b756@grouchysysadmin.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <965a3439-1894-cf99-5c82-339ffe41f675@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:09:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <483d6c09-af4e-5d4a-0681-79498fa3b756@grouchysysadmin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNvzK3aM6+AVgb5iWZbMwI3x8toAVTBRm+/Rx08K2+R9vuMOV3lY1kMbQ1356rR8EVjYaZ3i4N5ds2izAH6i7rtApYeLaTCwtvMpHkqpc8Lxfsesvnav mRgu9SPpeMAa+n+yzTkHNP7Hz2hm4FDQdW7x4uuUeQhifIig/PM4d0qJGCKWcJ2ufn9SZll+H1jo8PYHJYOTP8VRmkwqsQ9opik= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:10:12 -0000 On 12/10/2017 5:41 PM, Grouchy Sysadmin wrote: > > > On 12/10/2017 02:44 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> >> On 12/10/2017 1:54 PM, doug wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017, Baho Utot wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/10/2017 12:33 AM, DTD wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Polytropon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will handle >>>>>> this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for installing and >>>>>> upgrading OS files in the future, so there will not be the big >>>>>> difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg update" / "pkg upgrade". >>>>> >>>>> Where can I read about this? If this leads to dependency issues >>>>> similar to those encountered with desktops, my reaction is more of >>>>> 'oh s--t' rather then 'oh boy'. Back to the days when the odd or >>>>> even versions numbers were for those of us (read me) who do not >>>>> track Stable for similar reasons. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The way the packaging of base is currently being done >>>> will*guarantee a great level of OH SHIT. >>> >>> First, I will qualify my comments by saying I am an end user. I did >>> take Kurt McKusick's internals course a decade or so ago. Never >>> ended up going anywhere with C but it was/is a good way to >>> understand the workings and to be a better sysadmin. My experience >>> with FreeBSD is that once release engineering was fully integrated >>> into the upgrade process in the 4.x's, maybe the version 5 era >>> (memory goes shortly after the tolerance for coding 12 hrs/day) I >>> have never had any issues through cvsup, Subversion, and >>> freebsd-update. If you follow the releases, they work. Maybe if you >>> are developing a port or are a contributor to the base, things are >>> not so rosy. But here in userland things are better managed than IBM >>> did with MFT, MVT into MVS. I'm pretty sure those guys got paid >>> pretty well and did not have to have a day job to do what they >>> really wanted to. >>> >>> That's a really wordy way to say I disagree with the idea that >>> development of the base OS has been mis-handled. In server-land >>> since 4.5 no gotcha's here (as a keeper of servers). Things are a >>> bit rougher if you want to run a FreeBSD workstation. On my current >>> desktop I have gimp, libre office and my window manager of choice. >>> 613 packages and items built from ports. The pkg frame-work is much >>> improved over the old pkg_add et all. However, the number of >>> combinations of {613,n} where n is the number of shared libraries, >>> dynamic and static is a large number (finite but unbounded). And all >>> involved have to get all the dependencies right to have zero problems. >>> >>> My concern is, if it works don't fix it. And, if you must, I would >>> like to start getting up to speed on it ASAP. I have access to every >>> freebsd list but have not found a discussion of this. My only >>> request is to be pointed to where I can follow the discussion. >> >> Have you ever used the "packaged base" If not you don't have a clue >> to just how bad it is >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Perhaps https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgBase would help shed some light on > things. Well just don't actually do what the PkgBase wiki tells you.....You'll be sorry. Also do a little reading from the wiki and ask your self how do you get rid of the terrible mess packaged base has made and return to the previous system.....That alone should keep you from trying it. I know how to return the system to the state before you did the packaged base stuff, and I can tell you it isn't easy. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 00:48:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E967E80E7C for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garya@breakaway.dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.62]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "breakaway.dreamchaser.org.", Issuer "breakaway.dreamchaser.org." (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B71C6A3A5 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garya@breakaway.dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by breakaway.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBB0YSsT001199 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garya@breakaway.dreamchaser.org) Received: (from garya@localhost) by breakaway.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBB0YSQK001198 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garya) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:34:28 -0700 (MST) From: Gary Aitken Message-Id: <201712110034.vBB0YSQK001198@breakaway.dreamchaser.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:48:34 -0000 Hi all, Looking for guidance diagnosing a system crash caused by attempting to start Thunderbird. 10.3-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p20 #0: Wed Jul 12 03:13:07 UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr /src/sys/GENERIC amd64 After running flawlessly for over a month, I started having sluggish behavior. Since this is a known problem with firefox 56, I exited and restarted it several times over the course of a few days. Then yesterday (2017-12-08) the system hung and crashed. I have narrowed the cause down to Thunderbird 52.4.0, or at least something associated with it. The system + X seem to still run fine; openoffice, firefox, gimp. When I attempt to start t-bird the cursor disappears almost immediately, followed by a long wait with the display apparently frozen, and then results in a crash and reboot. It seems t-bird should crash/dump core without crashing the system if it was just a t-bird problem, even if it's a bad binary image? I originally had crash dumps disabled, so changed dumpdev="NO" to "AUTO" in rc.conf but still no dump in /var/crash only thing in /var/crash is minfree, which says "2048" At reboot, I see the message "No suitable dump device was found" so presumably that's the problem. It may be my sys config, as /tmp and swap are memdisks. The disk has no swap or tmp partition; I'm not sure how or if I can modify fstab or the config to get swap on disk for a dump. >From fstab: /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 /var is 16G It seems like it may be corrupted disk data, but I'm wondering if there's a good way to diagnose that. In ~/.thunderbird/xxx.default (profile) directory, the last date on a file is the "lock" symlink, from (I think) the first crash. Other files show times 27 min earlier, which may be the last time t-bird semi-successfully started up. Interestingly, deleting the "lock" symlink and attempting to restart t-bird results in the "lock" symlink being recreated with the same (old!) timestamp, Dec 8 21:08. There's a chance this is caused by an incompatible library; I've rebuilt and updated several ports over the past month, and I don't know if I restarted t-bird during that period. But again, I would expect t-bird to crash but not the system. Any and all thoughts welcome. Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 01:12:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0304E8198A for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:12:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garya@nightmare.dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D1F36AFCB for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:12:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from garya@nightmare.dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBB0jHuk078477 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garya@nightmare.dreamchaser.org) Received: (from garya@localhost) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBB0jCTQ078476 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:45:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from garya) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:45:12 -0700 (MST) From: Gary Aitken Message-Id: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 17:45:18 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 01:12:01 -0000 Hi all, Looking for guidance diagnosing a system crash caused by attempting to start Thunderbird. 10.3-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p20 #0: Wed Jul 12 03:13:07 UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr /src/sys/GENERIC amd64 After running flawlessly for over a month, I started having sluggish behavior. Since this is a known problem with firefox 56, I exited and restarted it several times over the course of a few days. Then yesterday (2017-12-08) the system hung and crashed. I have narrowed the cause down to Thunderbird 52.4.0, or at least something associated with it. The system + X seem to still run fine; openoffice, firefox, gimp. When I attempt to start t-bird the cursor disappears almost immediately, followed by a long wait with the display apparently frozen, and then results in a crash and reboot. It seems t-bird should crash/dump core without crashing the system if it was just a t-bird problem, even if it's a bad binary image? I originally had crash dumps disabled, so changed dumpdev="NO" to "AUTO" in rc.conf but still no dump in /var/crash only thing in /var/crash is minfree, which says "2048" At reboot, I see the message "No suitable dump device was found" so presumably that is the cause of the missing dump. It may be my sys config, as /tmp and swap are memdisks. The disk has no swap or tmp partition; I'm not sure how or if I can modify fstab or the config to get swap on disk for a dump. >From fstab: /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 /var is 16G It seems like it may be corrupted disk data, but I'm wondering if there's a good way to diagnose that. In ~/.thunderbird/xxx.default (profile) directory, the last date on a file is the "lock" symlink, from (I think) the first crash. Other files show times 27 min earlier, which may be the last time t-bird semi-successfully started up. Interestingly, deleting the "lock" symlink and attempting to restart t-bird results in the "lock" symlink being recreated with the same (old!) timestamp, Dec 8 21:08. There's a chance this is caused by an incompatible library; I've rebuilt and updated several ports over the past month, and I don't know if I restarted t-bird during that period. But again, I would expect t-bird to crash but not the system. Any and all thoughts welcome. Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 02:02:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF45E827FF for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22f.google.com (mail-it0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71E826C2B2 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:02:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id m11so10698703iti.1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:02:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rZQAD8fkk03olEdpZvYcyZ7Lci09gtw0B71MqQkc3GM=; b=I9TnGnS8xxfvXoJcewQdDaRj8A454MZSV0Fn8ZD8AxbfaWc1gdv+aYOrKFhvX2eUzc EhfZ6NZ74q3M2EOuqTtdTCDrPMw5lpMe2oKMgGOU1bKLvRQmrEdgVx04r4JNSIzpnevo Xj/+PJCFISmkeOgJoqYU3nwRw08/6ORGZ++t4xp7cqj/v9yhm1wJpZManIdcrWnPpBfv CD/3lRKBa7791BCu0IdQ73ndsPIbU0bxdSzAhUa3hH0rCtF8iuN9ogZOSnuBW47NDCuE sDjfQgoZ4K7gMhWwGOFMm1ETpEF0p5xGE1e9G+rOBfA0eQoFjkkvr2WeuGZmspPLVLQd 9tVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rZQAD8fkk03olEdpZvYcyZ7Lci09gtw0B71MqQkc3GM=; b=kxZgASFKbAdKQOMIUOMpSbUxXRUDymwikaaFU2uingh2jYbnuk2oCeKHbYTq7xYf2t /AvYmvTgyrqiucKmeaDPEN7NjXGSANk6wrfRiAkKMdne+aEoe9zZjJq3cPrB9wSCwchW 6w1aafPIPewQIWvqWjo0JcW7DjMu1DdRay6C/Am99BfGVhvAI/pJKVjwO9HxaAA3dQIB mLxpsl46ocKYj9aU9TNjEJcdzENkWYWKOyMJ9KniJN2+dz0uziWxQMpPEqRS7iiuEjb0 DLgL6ELlQoyop91qqlrn/fC8coGkR7/j5OgkNjcwlO9ON5hF7PcFTuK+aXrHLq7k4eoK uUbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5uF9ufPRoQTD0zADIRbAxEPWhqKGatAVmQzSL/2u8BE4r7uucv rBwIXcLP5U6FAASL5tpVPgKQAkPjxWI189JkxKY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYwGszcnn+HEt7QUHm1sFI72VXRJu2cdEW1Sq+mrtEUl1DHeVf09hdVYAYjRwAyCZCFJ3xtQuDTLlquW4s410E= X-Received: by 10.107.175.165 with SMTP id p37mr54394923ioo.32.1512957736726; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:02:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.138.114 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:02:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> From: Adam Vande More Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:02:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: Gary Aitken Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:02:17 -0000 On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken < garya@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Looking for guidance diagnosing a system crash caused by > attempting to start Thunderbird. > > 10.3-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p20 #0: Wed Jul 12 03:13:07 > UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr > /src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > After running flawlessly for over a month, I started having > sluggish behavior. Since this is a known problem with firefox > 56, I exited and restarted it several times over the course of a > few days. Then yesterday (2017-12-08) the system hung and > crashed. > > I have narrowed the cause down to Thunderbird 52.4.0, or at least > something associated with it. > > The system + X seem to still run fine; openoffice, firefox, gimp. > When I attempt to start t-bird the cursor disappears almost > immediately, followed by a long wait with the display apparently > frozen, and then results in a crash and reboot. > > It seems t-bird should crash/dump core without crashing the > system if it was just a t-bird problem, even if it's a bad binary > image? > > I originally had crash dumps disabled, so changed > dumpdev="NO" to "AUTO" in rc.conf > but still no dump in /var/crash > only thing in /var/crash is minfree, which says "2048" > At reboot, I see the message > "No suitable dump device was found" > so presumably that is the cause of the missing dump. > It may be my sys config, as /tmp and swap are memdisks. > The disk has no swap or tmp partition; I'm not sure how or if I > can modify fstab or the config to get swap on disk for a dump. > From fstab: > /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 > /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 > /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 > md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 > 0 > /var is 16G > > It seems like it may be corrupted disk data, but I'm wondering if > there's a good way to diagnose that. > fsck(8) Your swap configuration is also mostly likely silly. If you need more performance, that's not the way to do it. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 03:00:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57988E83A86 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic309-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic309-15.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.129.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D1246DBE6 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:00:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: Yda8qugVM1mT9RGezd44jK6vlN8yuYSmmUW.Jotulw4rf89W9WdA7VzFDfYX_BQ lfzt8_.rNaWZBlirP6VMcLo1BkuN4MuyxgvqXcgeoBFol61gEhRkpcq8v5v.WeeQy91ejKnNCakF RBr8HE25BDHWY8_.axA2mMr7iLCz7B14weHA_Q65.YkQzjg_gWmce4y87_ap.aKDXiVlZ6odQK6c bX36x6a9AihHGqN13sWeei4Dsxhsd7amoAzAAAKWVuovrWHL4PaYhNqo5wgFoEW0qptjBEyOVPkW jh8gp0.9q_XZkNk1G8yg9BL_hya0bPUviIpKy7nqcN1X_ILYv9oy3M5ImG2SnfWOyfVSbxbWRpbD z9hgW33Gn_0j4sIlNUfpRlrPw.ZFD3hyJ9ASM0hwkvcqThB81ulJXm.3q7qXyu0l3AfTBEQaxyu5 knW7MMm7xqbTI.mjjN11wwKIOpWK8uy7FVk6UzGM4p4tGI0Ll_rDRwIhELQSkpk9YFEUbssQ0Q7G WdeMkLUTSQtxF6A-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:00:05 +0000 Received: from smtp102.rhel.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (EHLO [192.168.0.203]) ([98.139.230.207]) by smtp404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID -1684319696; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: Baho Utot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> <55ae026c-8159-74a0-240c-351177964063@yahoo.com> <2b9077a1-4e9d-67a6-96c4-ee042881f668@columbus.rr.com> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:00:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2b9077a1-4e9d-67a6-96c4-ee042881f668@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 171210-2, 12/10/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 03:00:12 -0000 On 12/10/2017 6:05 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/10/2017 4:29 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> On 12/10/2017 3:47 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>> Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer >>>> boots to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK >>>> prompt where I have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I >>>> get my automatic boot menu back? >>>> >>> >>> And another bites the dust..... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm sorry, I've been watching your posts since they started.  I would >> suggest you go back to the Linux world and stay there. Having a >> computer science degree and understanding things at the bit level, as >> well as being a Sr. Sysadmin for over 25 years, quite frankly, a lot >> of the points you bring up are dramatically untrue.  I find your >> postings to be nothing more than trolling and bashing. >> > > Nothing of value here,  25 years BAH means nothing > And, again, you bash.  I think everyone can see the type of person you are. >> If you choose to be constructive with solutions, I'm fine with that.  >> If you choose to be CONSTRUCTIVELY critical, I'm fine with that.  As >> for what the user base is, and the all the other things, including >> the above, you are grossly misinformed. >> >> I make my salary as a consultant on RHEL and other Linux variants.  >> Thank the Linux kernel and its supporting userland is so >> unstable and has so many CVEs.  It's going to keep me employed right >> through until retirement.  If they were to fix everything (package >> dependencies, etc), it would be so much easier to administer by all >> these clownish "I got me a certification" people. >> >> Darwin OS from Apple is 90% FreeBSD.  Apple is, by far, the largest >> shipper of *nix systems in the world.  Netflix... FreeBSD.  Do some >> research, FreeBSD is in more products than you imagine and outstrips >> the attempted in-roads by Linux products.... (all 250+ variant OS's >> based on the Linux kernel) >> >> I used to be from the era of Slackware.... The stability was >> terrible.  The Linux following continued to grow due to many who >> weren't trained in proper software process and procedure wanting to >> be 'Tech!  Me, too'.  'Lookee, I writes a program'.  To this day, I >> laugh at the fact that RHEL is 3-4 versions behind CentOS as, due to >> requiring stability, they can only move forward once it is at the >> stability level necessary of a true commercial product... aka >> pseudo-bulletproof... but still not at the quality of FreeBSD that >> can release a x.0 release and have it run flawlessly.  Also, the CVEs >> reported over a release lifetime is less than 10% of those of just >> the Linux kernel versus and ENTIRE OS that FreeBSD is, kernel and >> userland. >> > > Well Centos is RHEL and CENTOS follows RHELL.  Looks like you know > nothing about CENTOS > > From distrowatch > CentOS is a distribution built from > the source code of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The CentOS project has > announced the availability of a new update to the distribution, > releasing CentOS 7-1708 which is derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux > 7.4. The list of changes in this update to version 7 is fairly > conservative: "Since release 1503 CentOS 7 can report bugs directly to > bugs.centos.org. > > Want to explain you post? > Yes, CentOS compiles from RH, however, all the most recent ported utilities come from cutting edge, not from RH.  It leads to instability.  RH stays with stuff that has stabilized and had the bugs shaken out.  They leave all of that to CentOS and Fedora before incorporating to RH. So, again, you show ignorance on something you claim to know so well. >> The Linux kernel and it's userland just don't stack up.  I have >> non-tech people using TrueOS on their desks and small business using >> FreeBSD for their file servers. They can't believe they run for a >> year before I do a simple 30 minute upgrade to the next rev... and it >> goes, again, flawlessly. >> > > Strawman pat yourself on the back > And, again, you attempt to demean and troll.  I believe this shows you for what you are. >> I believe why people are banning you from lists (if they, indeed, >> are, which thid community is not in the habit of doing), is due to >> the toxic attitude you have and pointing out non-issues that are >> encountered by user error. FreeBSD is rock solid, stable.  Sir, I >> find you uninformed and pointing at non-issues.  This list is here to >> help people with issues they encounter.  Please stop detracting from >> that purpose.  The list is here to help persons with their issues, >> not listen to trolling rants.  If you have a question, as per the >> title of the list, post it and it will be answered by a courteous, >> knowledgeable person.  (Since 1998, I have seen little in the way of >> non-courteous, egotistical, clueless responses from this community - >> The same cannot be said of the times I have to use Linux community >> lists.) >> > > Nothing here > And, be dismissive, when you are show to be wrong. >> Please, have a good day, but also, stop pointing at non-issues and >> saying "See, lookee!".  Anyone can break anything.  Anyone, >> uninformed, who wants to ramp fast and not read documentation, will >> have issues with anything.  This is akin to not reading the >> directions on how to put something from IKEA together.  Lack of >> reading directions usually leads to this list. >> >> P. > > Ok I'll ask for the uptinth time How do you Boot ZFS raid,  this has > been unanswered since 2013. > > Bet you you can not answer that. There is no 'boot zfs raid'.  There is boot ZFS (ZFS can be configured as any RAID type and be booted.  Linux cannot due this as licensing of the CDDL blocks it from having anything but the loader to install it as a module.  FreeBSD has no such restriction. As long as the gptzfsboot blocks are installed, the loader will recognize it and load the Solaris and zfs modules.  From there, it's a straight boot operation like any other file system. My home server uses ZFS as a root partition.  The root partition is on RAID-1 aka mirrored volumes and has no issue booting from both/either. And yes, I answered your question and it's in the Handbook, the Wiki, etc. > > And if your up for it > How to install Grub2 with WIN7 and ZFS RAID FreeBSD > unanswered since 2013. > This is already done with grub2 and is widely available with both TrueOS and FreeBSD.  It's in the manual, the wiki, and several articles for a couple of years now. Personally, I will be taking the same action as others and putting you in my filter list.  You have nothing of interest here.  I applaud the community for not banishing you as of yet as you are a troll, arrogant and dismissive of your betters.  I would also suggest you get psychiatric/psychological counseling for your behavior.  You seem to be a disturbed individual who enjoys creating drama where none exists. Off to spamassassin and other filters. Again, moderator of freebsd-questions, does anyone else have to listen to this prattling? P. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 04:56:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC4EE85F33 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C450C713BC for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBB4umLP090638; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:50 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:56:53 -0000 On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> From fstab: >> /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 >> /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 >> /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 >> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 >> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 >> /var is 16G >> >> It seems like it may be corrupted disk data, but I'm wondering if >> there's a good way to diagnose that. > > fsck(8) duh, thanks. That did solve the problem. However, I'm confused. Upon reboot, the system checks to see if file systems were properly dismounted and is supposed to do an fsck. Since those don't show up in messages, I can't verify this, but I'm pretty certain it must have thought it was clean, which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain is the time involved when run manually as you suggested). The file system in question was mounted below "/". Does the system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? > Your swap configuration is also mostly likely silly. If you need > more performance, that's not the way to do it. Can you explain or point me to an explanation for this comment? It looks to me like what's shown in the EXAMPLES section of "man fstab". Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 07:57:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1BBE8919B for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0B2876105 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:9987:5863:73dd:de7d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 810BAD8E8 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <460ae512-89b6-d09f-b567-fefff373b087@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:56:55 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AFBwo7wp1gqfvdE9PqmhbChwhLs1KGw3r" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 07:57:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --AFBwo7wp1gqfvdE9PqmhbChwhLs1KGw3r Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="AiAnrERI51btcvqg2w9rKEb5eeCHDaqxf"; protected-headers="v1" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <460ae512-89b6-d09f-b567-fefff373b087@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> --AiAnrERI51btcvqg2w9rKEb5eeCHDaqxf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/12/2017 04:56, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> md99 none swap sw,file=3D/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 >> Your swap configuration is also mostly likely silly.=C2=A0 If you need= >> more performance, that's not the way to do it. > Can you explain or point me to an explanation for this comment?=C2=A0 I= t > looks to me like what's shown in the EXAMPLES section of "man fstab". You're swapping to a file-backed memory device, which is not the best choice for performance. The best choice is to swap to raw partitions on your hard drives. Having several disks with a swap partition on each can help, as it allows you to spread the IO load over several devices, but that's a marginal gain and not necessary in general. The reasoning being that you're involving all of the kernel machinery to support filesystem IO for what is meant to be the very low-level and simplified operation of paging memory in and out of swap. Yes, you can create a file-backed swap area, but just because you can doesn't mean you should. Creating a file-backed swap is useful in special cases, like you're working on that part of the kernel and need to test adding or removing swap devices, or you're trying to cope with some exceptional process that is really far too large for your system to handle. Ideally nowadays you should have enough RAM to contain all of your active processes without needing to swap, so the whole point should really be moot. Cheers, Matthew --AiAnrERI51btcvqg2w9rKEb5eeCHDaqxf-- --AFBwo7wp1gqfvdE9PqmhbChwhLs1KGw3r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKoBAEBCgCSFiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAlouOkhfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcUHG1hdHRoZXdA ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcACgkQAFE/EOCp5OfF8xAAo1+E1uibv0ykffE3kFXHXq6FyO5+ QTvn2A78c3IHCgUjIH/UvHZfjFWQzgSTUVCjPLI20TWhtIs0QqUXkkFPkYveZQur xrq6ztKKy3XmbCS4VuURNRSYlQ8Ii/HFeysPr3NaCxenxc2ZcdhbG5xwAnJ68HgF J1AjEiYGrd/UCHg+asUouNly7BPAjmyTQ0B1c2HXH1rHJWT/Ub81IkJVN0z1NCaA od84W/f9n/PrwTTfla9sHdTtNrXRQhx/jmMuG0Dy2hA3f4w6RYsEiC7nrw0M1LBp WCF7FohP5c7gSHndz3+/R83pmoW+aOVBjLovt5LtVRw4xBrJZBafeUHPyTnBW0aT NgCLh1oPCNAJ/EC5Ah4SB/Mw44yELXyBu/yr0n+4F1cwYWZIIB5Qg48/R4+YLHl3 6EH403Dj7/1RNgQuH41CfOJNfC6u/rPNoeuljdJoP8N+cOv1TY7FK1NmqxDLKwGH 8CBhtDvQUM3MtKUP7zDZzjzxWMfOodSoLkXdmysPc8jAHC01xgyUiCcfmGquL6en 4BOHNQQKarRexfMySN4rXioIGYbMbNapdYfkpMBnLfRGyoIrfzke8b8B7dgX7cbq dluog6cM+V+9xPVpQ06nmp0gT6c+kl6JiC4yT+lMDpv4EmSa1LTYQNhTHYpv0c6t 9ANKPAp6whCOOCA= =13fl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AFBwo7wp1gqfvdE9PqmhbChwhLs1KGw3r-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 12:58:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD58EE9123C for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FF7063F3D for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MCfv0-1eF4Gd0Ieg-009MyI; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:58:05 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:58:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance Message-Id: <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8EIRMBap8QtjzYPv2A6tMdM0BTuiDf0Z67zt91rUG4T+m1hGLxa SRPArkkNIkyS8usKZfpoUaM/U9Djcz2QD9Mynup9f70YyYc3MhB1pQWux5H0ohV+mEJy5NO e3eq+aVXZalbj9/PkT7/78FZ30fvSE5XvLEzYEFus6UxGjoNqoWNLy9+QuKqr6jceETE3t9 GoZO/8F+PREzoMgBf0R7w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Ml4WeOBgtGo=:lHrqWMCtNaWzMAMNeNcXvg z8+/bjMTuLA23FPOBIiUA12aMpx27FklBDSB/Rcbw/wkjxLPr3er5QIvZc1Qy5CAkGDYwAjvm nA5TUXrr2Y54BoA1VEMFitu1nqVAvOyBHKbEgVlp8LdSSI9v31L2YVURTYGgJS5GTbM9pC37E BrGGio1uJRjAqYbR0m7uCxNcZcJNUlr8WEVz8Qb0hMptJx4AOl9zQwkOrr66za3MTcVytgMLL fmVL9Ftb8Ta77vkrqHRY/Id+FB5be5deIKS87Hi9Cq96r6TBTCyQZRTlUHX0QZ1BUrQt7XtpL udI9uErnG7ufEXfJ7CxD3K/VHLvMBD2pNN+dyymefv+6wgI4nBQSDrR8ET0w2/Mt2F6DvKoUl EnfGBjfVfXrOw4N4DEdZOBJKbH2uWajlzqgSE7APNYfKaQjl4yB6PapvW3Uc6g6HpbZ4Jtzae /YQyX+NOKGVOXy9yJv6c6FNbcWc6UAsSGFmSTaVd+7ld6noSuSTQr4bh29eb0XmjnnHufMbXi QxJGk1q5OQSHiIn7g+zf7WDMInVozxW07Qaw/lS+bmpgCfHtBrGlvH5JmBT+pVnIDGxMcE9xm sSTe/ehyEs6fozk5IQdqTjThaPbj9D1+ZC0PGQUw4mSlPqC3Ebl2ALo9chCPQ4zdEgkrXxq9V WZ1UPAqLVJ8OOuLvFRVwbEvO3Q3/+r8nFEGtlNzGEdbDNhKk+ICiab2D15lxc5lQXq4JY6fGj WxaREpRm+PtS73/9pM99Qx3ntx864NSI7o+cScI8bsm+7qFGT/lWz617WHQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:58:18 -0000 On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > > >> From fstab: > >> /dev/ufs/hd250G1root / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 > >> /dev/ufs/hd250G1var /var ufs rw,noatime 2 2 > >> /dev/ufs/hd250G1usr /usr ufs rw,noatime 7 3 > >> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 > >> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late 0 0 > >> /var is 16G > >> > >> It seems like it may be corrupted disk data, but I'm wondering if > >> there's a good way to diagnose that. > > > > fsck(8) > > duh, thanks. > That did solve the problem. > > However, I'm confused. > Upon reboot, the system checks to see if file systems were properly > dismounted and is supposed to do an fsck. Since those don't show up > in messages, I can't verify this, but I'm pretty certain it must have > thought it was clean, which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain > is the time involved when run manually as you suggested). This is the primary reason for setting background_fsck="NO" in /etc/rc.conf - if you can afford a little downtime. The background fsck doesn't have all the repair capabilities a forced foreground check has, to it _might_ leave the file system in an inconsistent state, and the system runs with that unclean partition. > The file system in question was mounted below "/". > Does the system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? Yes, / is the first file system it checks. The two last fields in /etc/fstab control what fsck will check, and /etc/rc.conf allows additional flags for those automatic checks. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 13:43:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2546AE92409 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E7465B18 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id OOMRel8DAuZFTOOMUeTCPN; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:43:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eOOMR-0000DL-Fp; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:43:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: Paul Pathiakis , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5A2D9082.9060706@webtent.org> <55ae026c-8159-74a0-240c-351177964063@yahoo.com> <2b9077a1-4e9d-67a6-96c4-ee042881f668@columbus.rr.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <9b427786-8602-8645-8731-fb7756b79548@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:43:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNKMUavbfl8YXNuLI9Rk3p55DqPUe3QbWIz99aOqHvvRQsyuOwPcP+FNUUWoM8sDrlsXu5wEMpKihfynAJRq7yCbooCnj3QV51DVztUXe6PMZ27Ybo// +KdVTGlrpunU8lbQDQwpw95+6XK06MejZ6j6YSMvODjJD0INdTp7CdpUb0VvqtSm5lFhYkSwvy+iKwD1E3KmywO28wmjp3YPYMJLN84V5RWVau2CqXFPwLjA X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:43:17 -0000 On 12/10/17 22:00, Paul Pathiakis wrote: >> >> Ok I'll ask for the uptinth time How do you Boot ZFS raid,  this has >> been unanswered since 2013. >> >> Bet you you can not answer that. > There is no 'boot zfs raid'.  There is boot ZFS (ZFS can be configured > as any RAID type and be booted.  Linux cannot due this as licensing of > the CDDL blocks it from having anything but the loader to install it as > a module.  FreeBSD has no such restriction. > As long as the gptzfsboot blocks are installed, the loader will > recognize it and load the Solaris and zfs modules.  From there, it's a > straight boot operation like any other file system. > > My home server uses ZFS as a root partition.  The root partition is on > RAID-1 aka mirrored volumes and has no issue booting from both/either. > > And yes, I answered your question and it's in the Handbook, the Wiki, etc. It in not in the handbook nor is it in the wiki. I see you fail to provide an answer that is worth something. ZFS RAID 1 LOL Here this is what I am looking to boot zpool status pool: zroot state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 2h40m with 0 errors on Wed Oct 18 18:27:31 2017 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zroot ONLINE 0 0 0 raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada1p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada2p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada3p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada4p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 There is no information about booting this. This is not mirrored, this is raid like in raid 5 >> >> And if your up for it >> How to install Grub2 with WIN7 and ZFS RAID FreeBSD >> unanswered since 2013. >> > This is already done with grub2 and is widely available with both TrueOS > and FreeBSD.  It's in the manual, the wiki, and several articles for a > couple of years now. No not in the manual See you say things that are just not true > > Personally, I will be taking the same action as others and putting you > in my filter list.  You have nothing of interest here.  I applaud the > community for not banishing you as of yet as you are a troll, arrogant > and dismissive of your betters.  I would also suggest you get > psychiatric/psychological counseling for your behavior.  You seem to be > a disturbed individual who enjoys creating drama where none exists. > Yes you are running away because you have no answers. You only talk shit. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 14:15:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF80E92D72 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (smtprelay-b12.telenor.se [62.127.194.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED8B766BB6 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:15:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from ipb3.telenor.se (ipb3.telenor.se [195.54.127.166]) by smtprelay-b12.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5634CD222 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:12:40 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [195.54.99.212] X-LISTENER: [smtp.glocalnet.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2CZAAAZ3N9ZmNRjNsNeHAEBBAEBCgEBhEFuJwePBo4+ggOYNAceiWFCFQECAQEBAQEBARMBAQEBAQgLCwYoL4ZZEyEFGESKIgGuFItfD4MtggeLVGKCdoIyBaFEh16Mfw2CcZAfSJZcNYEwMiEIMoUfAVOBdHWKRgGBEAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2CZAAAZ3N9ZmNRjNsNeHAEBBAEBCgEBhEFuJwePBo4+ggOYNAceiWFCFQECAQEBAQEBARMBAQEBAQgLCwYoL4ZZEyEFGESKIgGuFItfD4MtggeLVGKCdoIyBaFEh16Mfw2CcZAfSJZcNYEwMiEIMoUfAVOBdHWKRgGBEAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="1710993909" Received: from smtprelay-b21.telenor.se ([195.54.99.212]) by ipb3.telenor.se with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2017 14:48:40 +0100 Received: from ipb5.telenor.se (ipb5.telenor.se [195.54.127.168]) by smtprelay-b21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763A1E81AD for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:16:31 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [85.227.12.184] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="807487567" Received: from ua-85-227-12-184.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO ymer.bara1.se) ([85.227.12.184]) by ipb5.telenor.se with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2017 14:48:41 +0100 Received: by ymer.bara1.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 37CDC10DFE4; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:48:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:48:40 +0100 From: User Hasse To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: problems installing mod_pagespeed Message-ID: <20171211134839.GA90829@ymer.bara1.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: https://www.bara1.se/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:15:27 -0000 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all I've probably screwed up everything and don't have a clue to what I'm doing= :-) I have a uptodate freebsd 11.1 with ports % uname -a FreeBSD ymer.bara1.se 11.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p4 #0: Tue Nov 1= 4 06:12:40 UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src= /sys/GENERIC amd64 apache24-2.4.29 installed, and tried to install mod_pagespeed. Got broken = port message. Had a look at the makefile and changed apache22 to apache24 and gave it ano= ther try. Made a "make mod-pagespeed" command, and it's been building for approximate= ly 3 hours now. If this work out without any major errors, do I dare to make install afterw= ards ? Or should I seek some advise before I proceed ? I'm not on a "critical production server" reinstallation will not be a big= issue. 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By default my vty driver is= vt(4) as seen from sysctl kern.vty kern.vty=3Dvt I've tried to configure french keyboard so to be able to see and type accen= tuated characters, but could not succeed. I've amended ~/.login_conf with me:\ :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ :lang=3Dfr_FR.ISO-8859-1: but to no avail.=20 The only solution I've found is to switch to sc(4) in /boot/loader.conf So my question is: should i file a bug ? Thanks.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 15:35:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63DEE95761 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:35:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from smtprelay-b31.telenor.se (smtprelay-b31.telenor.se [213.150.131.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F9616AF07 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:35:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hasse@bara1.se) Received: from ipb5.telenor.se (ipb5.telenor.se [195.54.127.168]) by smtprelay-b31.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C509EA349 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:13:25 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [195.54.99.212] X-LISTENER: [smtp.glocalnet.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2BsAAAZ3N9ZmNRjNsNeGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBhEFuFAEBEQePBo4+gXYNliKCEgcehSAChD9AFwECAQEBAQEBARMBAQEBAQgLCwYoL4UeAQIDeRALGAkTEg8FGDETiiIBrhSLPAEBCAEBAQEVD4MtggeGZYRvg1iCMgWhRIdejH8NgnGQH0iWXCEDgUEyIQgygT8PhCWBdHWKRgGBEAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A2BsAAAZ3N9ZmNRjNsNeGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBhEFuFAEBEQePBo4+gXYNliKCEgcehSAChD9AFwECAQEBAQEBARMBAQEBAQgLCwYoL4UeAQIDeRALGAkTEg8FGDETiiIBrhSLPAEBCAEBAQEVD4MtggeGZYRvg1iCMgWhRIdejH8NgnGQH0iWXCEDgUEyIQgygT8PhCWBdHWKRgGBEAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="807502113" Received: from smtprelay-b21.telenor.se ([195.54.99.212]) by ipb5.telenor.se with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2017 16:13:24 +0100 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (ipb2.telenor.se [195.54.127.165]) by smtprelay-b21.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A6EE81AD for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:41:15 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [85.227.12.184] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,368,1503352800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="1061203654" Received: from ua-85-227-12-184.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO ymer.bara1.se) ([85.227.12.184]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 11 Dec 2017 16:13:24 +0100 Received: by ymer.bara1.se (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 16EBD111DFE; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:13:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:13:24 +0100 From: User Hasse To: User Hasse Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems installing mod_pagespeed Message-ID: <20171211151324.GA62737@ymer.bara1.se> References: <20171211134839.GA90829@ymer.bara1.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171211134839.GA90829@ymer.bara1.se> X-PGP-Key: https://www.bara1.se/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:35:02 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 02:48:40PM +0100, User Hasse wrote: > Hello all >=20 > I've probably screwed up everything and don't have a clue to what I'm doi= ng :-) >=20 > I have a uptodate freebsd 11.1 with ports > % uname -a > FreeBSD ymer.bara1.se 11.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p4 #0: Tue Nov= 14 06:12:40 UTC 2017 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/s= rc/sys/GENERIC amd64 >=20 > apache24-2.4.29 installed, and tried to install mod_pagespeed. Got broke= n port message. > Had a look at the makefile and changed apache22 to apache24 and gave it a= nother try. >=20 > Made a "make mod-pagespeed" command, and it's been building for approxima= tely 3 hours now. > If this work out without any major errors, do I dare to make install afte= rwards ? >=20 > Or should I seek some advise before I proceed ? >=20 > I'm not on a "critical production server" reinstallation will not be a b= ig issue. >=20 > Best regards > Geir Svalland=20 >=20 nope :-( Didn't work. gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/ports/www/mod_pagespeed/work/mod_pagespee= d-a5cfe15' *** Error code 2 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/www/mod_pagespeed Well, anyone have any sugestions on how I can get this module installed ? --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEZmmwl+ajAr4eHVHbDLsBtTa490kFAlouoIdfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDY2 NjlCMDk3RTZBMzAyQkUxRTFENTFEQjBDQkIwMUI1MzZCOEY3NDkACgkQDLsBtTa4 90nHzwf/XuGsEOOddc9ZuJA8wYXa+yg3eHfK+5IJD7ysA0VEB+UqB0d6ybg+WMuL p26G/Wc8BGtx8Efngz9fCgmicIkWD7SQI3GN03Loh6drGTYfKdGURsX3PcRm6+Yb K2b4H53fRHt1xcjvL6Bl+JzRg1uNbq7bloDUpYLVXeqG+5YDRNzV4rSrVsm1NPO/ 3Jx9W/+niI1ob2WYAQ8/zreFIdb11bjVfn29wn85sduZfecZf/gsMFQwoMLOYFuM i6m8iNoWxyK0ZKTgaQMuPYY9B3/epWzm3289eW2okQCQAMCTvvvd+9nw3CDnbzHF NOYOu/OjzduRrSeEdxa40teKPzdL1w== =zZB/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 16:02:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A19E96085 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEEBB6BD9A for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F29B622AB for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tOzfxJu-ztUR for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 822BD621D6 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:54:01 -0500 Subject: IPMITool questions: From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:02:08 -0000 I am attempting to establish a serial over LAN console connection to a remote SuperMicro SYS-5027R. I am using this connection command from a FreeBSD-11.1p5 host running mate and using mate terminal to initiate the connection: ipmitool -H "$HOST" -U "$UNAME" -I lanplus sol activate After connecting I am asked for a password. After accepting the password I get this: [SOL Session operational. Use ~? for help] However, the resulting session does not respond to any typing or carriage returns. If I use the escape sequence for help (~?) then I get this: ~? Supported escape sequences: ~. - terminate connection ~^Z - suspend ipmitool ~^X - suspend ipmitool, but don't restore tty on restart ~B - send break ~? - this message ~~ - send the escape character by typing it twice (Note that escapes are only recognized immediately after newline.) The line wrapping is exactly what appears on the terminal screen. What do I need to get this to work and present me with a remote ipmi console? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 16:12:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F460E96680 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63A5E6C613 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03423623F1; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:12:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3XEGWfkbXIm8; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7242062460; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <8706ecd1205493e8db739db69303c37c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:12:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Paul Pathiakis" Cc: "Baho Utot" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:12:52 -0000 On Sun, December 10, 2017 22:00, Paul Pathiakis wrote: >> > Yes, CentOS compiles from RH, however, all the most recent ported > utilities come from cutting edge, not from RH.  It leads to > instability.  RH stays with stuff that has stabilized and had the > bugs shaken out.  They leave all of that to CentOS and Fedora before > incorporating to RH. > That statement is false. If you doubt me then send your claim as made above to Johnny Hughes and let us know what response you get. We are moving away from CentOS to FreeBSD. But that has to do with RedHat's desire to become the Linux incarnation of Microsoft and has nothing to do with the integrity of the CentOS team. CentOS is a binary reproduction of the corresponding RHEL release; saving only the copyright and trademark removals. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 17:34:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7345E98681 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B43D66FCF3 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1513013697; x=1515605697; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AiiGF9svp+9ZFX6BiHfBi+EwAbwyiFt2LoLlI5V5x+c=; b=q9MIcdSfbbCgdbwlUJjm3TmjkUcnCf49J8XaaJsmLjrgzlFjqvHVFBpYaWrpUzRFbk4yT57DTeNDiDl9sp6c4bt2RGrEgmYivPsUVJViWXLAi66g4NSWB5WVc2YZwbmwQRBfi3A4qRdk7PpPvY1/y5da0VT4ciSx0TMoYlsc07E= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDZjNTIyYy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.85.171.149]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:34:45 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:34:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eORyR-000M4x-0o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:34:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:34:38 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console Message-Id: <20171211173438.86e9fb419ebf545e13b32a0e@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:34:54 -0000 On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:28:52 +0000 Vitalio D wrote: > Hello, > > I'm running 11.1-STABLE snapshot from November. By default my vty driver > is vt(4) as seen from sysctl kern.vty > kern.vty=vt > > I've tried to configure french keyboard so to be able to see and type > accentuated characters, but could not succeed. > > I've amended ~/.login_conf with > me:\ > :charset=ISO-8859-1:\ > :lang=fr_FR.ISO-8859-1: The vt terminal only supports UTF-8 and will display UTF-8 text correctly no matter what the locale settings are. For typing you'll have to select an appropriate keyboard map that supports typing accented characters, with us.acc.kbd the compose mechanism works. > So my question is: should i file a bug ? Only if there's a problem with using the vt console as a UTF-8 terminal. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 18:07:10 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC80E9923B for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4782570FBC for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:07:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (ezra.dcm1.omnilan.net [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vBBI76f5089674; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:07:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (s1.omnilan.de [217.91.127.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E4E4FA9; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:07:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:07:06 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca CC: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: IPMITool questions: References: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:07:07 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: ; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:07:10 -0000 Bezüglich James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions's Nachricht vom 11.12.2017 16:54 (localtime): > I am attempting to establish a serial over LAN console connection to a > remote SuperMicro SYS-5027R. I am using this connection command from > a FreeBSD-11.1p5 host running mate and using mate terminal to initiate > the connection: > > ipmitool -H "$HOST" -U "$UNAME" -I lanplus sol activate > > After connecting I am asked for a password. After accepting the > password I get this: > > [SOL Session operational. Use ~? for help] > > However, the resulting session does not respond to any typing or > carriage returns. If I use the escape sequence for help (~?) then I Hello, do you want to establish pre-boot sessions via SoL or a login session to FreeBSD? For the latter, if you add boot_multicons="YES" to /boot/loader.conf, you can leave /etc/ttys as it is (having that nifty ttyuX status "onifconsole"). Else there is also "boot_serial" and "console="comconsole[,efi]" e.g. for /boot/loader.conf. If you really want have login only, edit /etc/ttys to "on" instead of "onifconsole". Best, -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 18:08:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89814E99312 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67113710B9 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-3.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D173695854; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:08:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:08:02 -0500 From: mfv To: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Cc: "Paul Pathiakis" Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade Message-ID: <20171211130802.0ed35a13@gecko4> In-Reply-To: <8706ecd1205493e8db739db69303c37c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> References: <8706ecd1205493e8db739db69303c37c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:08:20 -0000 Hello All, There is ample evidence from this thread that Baho Utot is a troll whose first language is not English. Moreover, it is likely that his email name is not his actual name but his nom de guerre. After doing some research on the web it appears that "baho utot" means "stinky fart" in the Tagalog language. When I asked a friend who was born and raised in the Philippines what these words meant his translation was "obnoxious fart". If Baho Utot does not know Tagalog he has my sincere apologies and sympathies for this unfortunate coincidence. But his language still needs to be more temperate. Marek > On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 11:12 "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" > wrote: > >On Sun, December 10, 2017 22:00, Paul Pathiakis wrote: > >>> =20 >> Yes, CentOS compiles from RH, however, all the most recent ported >> utilities come from cutting edge, not from RH.=C3=82=C2=A0 It leads to >> instability.=C3=82=C2=A0 RH stays with stuff that has stabilized and had= the >> bugs shaken out.=C3=82=C2=A0 They leave all of that to CentOS and Fedora= before >> incorporating to RH. >> =20 > >That statement is false. If you doubt me then send your claim as made >above to Johnny Hughes and let us know what >response you get. > >We are moving away from CentOS to FreeBSD. But that has to do with >RedHat's desire to become the Linux incarnation of Microsoft and has >nothing to do with the integrity of the CentOS team. CentOS is a >binary reproduction of the corresponding RHEL release; saving only the >copyright and trademark removals. > Hello, Cheers ... Marek From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 18:39:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D4CE9A554 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C054672DA1 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:39:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id OSwSeS3CtfiK5OSwUeJvNc; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:36:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eOSzS-0000Lp-Se for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:39:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8706ecd1205493e8db739db69303c37c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <20171211130802.0ed35a13@gecko4> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:39:40 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171211130802.0ed35a13@gecko4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfPlEZkjaG1bTUEMNJ28WcCC1WL3DC/vGLcELvAzlfRlB2BMvuqLoLYnuYtIVrUogVL6LUK4xiNajDa8Aq/LBxyEmW+7Nc/PGgNjIfTGs/L+XVf2bJON5 nLpF7/HXKm3pF71FGYfobwHjg+Z9lkdbzYJlpteZ9gOntZIk7ve2Jp/6N3PD9PgcZd3G+Ji80hc2CzyElrQS3GzThVG68jMtyYg= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:39:58 -0000 On 12/11/2017 1:08 PM, mfv via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hello All, > > There is ample evidence from this thread that Baho Utot is a troll > whose first language is not English. Call me any name you want if it makes you feel better, I really don't care. > Moreover, it is likely that his email name is not his actual name but > his nom de guerre. After doing some research on the web it appears > that "baho utot" means "stinky fart" in the Tagalog language. When I > asked a friend who was born and raised in the Philippines what these > words meant his translation was "obnoxious fart". > > If Baho Utot does not know Tagalog he has my sincere apologies and > sympathies for this unfortunate coincidence. But his language still > needs to be more temperate. > > Marek Yes I know Tagalog and visayan. My points stand, ie Packaged base is terrible at best Can not boot ZFS raidz ( not ZFS mirror ) No one has a clue about installing/using grub in the about environment Documentation sucks ( doesn't exsist ) if you want something beyond dead simple installation. No matter how you want to paint them they are valid > >> On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 11:12 "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" >> wrote: >> >> On Sun, December 10, 2017 22:00, Paul Pathiakis wrote: >> >>>> >>> Yes, CentOS compiles from RH, however, all the most recent ported >>> utilities come from cutting edge, not from RH.  It leads to >>> instability.  RH stays with stuff that has stabilized and had the >>> bugs shaken out.  They leave all of that to CentOS and Fedora before >>> incorporating to RH. >>> >> That statement is false. If you doubt me then send your claim as made >> above to Johnny Hughes and let us know what >> response you get. >> >> We are moving away from CentOS to FreeBSD. But that has to do with >> RedHat's desire to become the Linux incarnation of Microsoft and has >> nothing to do with the integrity of the CentOS team. CentOS is a >> binary reproduction of the corresponding RHEL release; saving only the >> copyright and trademark removals. >> > Hello, > > > > Cheers ... > > Marek > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 19:08:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6000E9B575 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.dol_s@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR03-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092072010.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.72.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64F2A74420 for ; 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By default my vty driver >>is vt(4) as seen from sysctl kern.vty >>kern.vty=3Dvt >>=20 >>I've tried to configure french keyboard so to be able to see and type >>accentuated characters, but could not succeed. >>=20 >> I've amended ~/.login_conf with >> me:\ >> :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ >> :lang=3Dfr_FR.ISO-8859-1: > The vt terminal only supports UTF-8 and will display UTF-8 text >correctly no matter what the locale settings are. > > For typing you'll have to select an appropriate keyboard map that >supports typing accented characters, with us.acc.kbd the compose mechanism >works. Hi Steve, I've put the vt back (i.e put the original (empty in my case) /boot/loader.= conf ) and set the keymap in rc.conf to fr.iso.kbd. Unfortunately this did = not work. When trying to type french '=E9' nothing happens. When trying to = read a french handbook such accent letters are just missing, for example fr= ench pr=E9f=E9rez becomes prfrez. = From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 19:58:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AE2E9C915 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA76776110 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233F462370; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:57:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rmowKt1ESTu9; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C046C621D6; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <93d4d4f96a4766fd76478371bee8f2d8.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> References: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:57:57 -0500 Subject: Re: IPMITool questions: From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Harry Schmalzbauer" Cc: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:58:01 -0000 On Mon, December 11, 2017 13:07, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > > Hello, > > do you want to establish pre-boot sessions via SoL or a login session > to FreeBSD? > I only need access to the pre-boot console. The remote system is set up with an encrypted zfs file system and configured to boot from zfs. The boot process needs the encryption key pass phrase to start. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 20:15:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573A3E9D372 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2234F76F6C for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1513023306; x=1515615306; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TNHlsj4UD4jpTTzEHD5uToMHdnQ8D6R6QU+F0S4AVfY=; b=I0imvnLgf9+/nQ6CPoZxIQJI9GqDsPH8G8/tk90xr06BzZLhTNamc32PqCQSq57oiSXHR/9UiockX0YaNKf2TLXfR+cD48XXEWMzfRjJANpeUAcYR6HFVzX9wIXYqt++ZB3/QOifKZhCpKxHa/aKvGBL8aDil4I5pzR/GUDIQPs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDZlNzVkMy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.186.58.227]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:14:53 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:14:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eOUTO-000NKZ-1M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:14:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:14:45 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console Message-Id: <20171211201445.3694e4148bee74ab06d1aa00@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:15:02 -0000 On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:08:12 +0000 Vitalio D wrote: > Hi Steve, > I've put the vt back (i.e put the original (empty in my > case) /boot/loader.conf ) and set the keymap in rc.conf to fr.iso.kbd. Hmm fr.iso.kbd is a syscons keymap, I'm not sure what happens if you try and load it. Try fr.acc.kbd from /usr/share/vt/keymaps - or use kbdmap to pick one. > Unfortunately this did not work. When trying to type french 'é' nothing > happens. When trying to read a french handbook such accent letters are > just missing, for example french préférez becomes prfrez. Hmm sounds like the handbook you tried is in ISO8859-1 not UTF-8. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 20:22:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2997FE9D6A9 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:22:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84F78774AA for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue005 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LvxEH-1f7dXF3XZN-017kQU; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:22:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:22:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Vitalio D Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console Message-Id: <20171211212252.e403c4d2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:4nBLF5fVFBrb1lDSX/zLNZr+omyDDbDDlUAPBelrCCujQJ45BMb Y02rhu1XAncBbikqWiDBWhY6bfjoCTirSOBIBXhayVXWW3UoIe3YvGcwvgmRbGbf0kVvw7v Zr2HHwUuxbSPrDuNkwsCiDic3WCdf4qZHmvS7IB60xUUq0U9/EHphTE9Ln6TEl7PDNu0599 A3GOsDczHdscPKAe1Nl+w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:txA/lVBDCDc=:fvaox94dRn/TZC2FVueknT xKziTcWA6rB2wtaN2q4R8eoRx0m4Hc+brxpO0BAb5Yw2owSkAea9D9htYcb1GkXG3hXbkL4+m gIY3bsAMvRh6sFZPs5r0Bv3GK56juEionFEm8tyd2g0QeGE1l0eTyGF8LNe4Vd6+I9JHQWjD7 r47QS4cAvDDy6um9k9cChIxEPVtiMRphI6kGwV3R8Ko0wJSCGb03fNU3s8nHqRK9SRkvQhxsl BNbvJiEFJ843Jfr5PYKu3zortZtF6J82bDGou5PdxHXfWB1iSP5OewyTAmOeY5PKxoeIVQOvC /7f7HI259b18cnOxuMGD5HXv2YzAIJm6o8nw8G+fO6UeEwCG+txMDXcJBMCRPHOqyBYO/DZPW ahUfUML7cV2zhxFp1psrs7Q48r1rMJarEXyrC9WgiC+xsM08RD285ESCRkhJ+LiO8sLXTN2e2 afvZQ45Ob2b45gE9WDw7pwigeLakmdQZ8MjZyrmFB7x7u9F0uZDk+8sMah9lwWf15lYclNw2A C+zjyToImUFfvh2BrD6wKl++F3RfbgMPsIhCtl9NeRl3cN1GYHbuJSw7LFpRfrblnGrJmgJCV ZpD3QC7w5RuexT+GDaeVk85DkZ5/Q6PbvCp8JgE2QqLfFMhgPOZ8zIYXVMocGyzRkpMKlixE/ ag19recB6JQs4r6vxfbD9GSi7rlQauha8LaTI1jxrj6tKZ0WEr8ADo0NwH5e21lEzoUUFxm6c HuG2Mp1xfqX+AidozSHJkU+R6bHJTGOafZ6oMdxrW+4s239Wg6MM8JV5b60= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:22:58 -0000 On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:28:52 +0000, Vitalio D wrote: > I'm running 11.1-STABLE snapshot from November. By default my > vty driver is vt(4) as seen from > sysctl kern.vty > kern.vty=3Dvt >=20 > I've tried to configure french keyboard so to be able to see and > type accentuated characters, but could not succeed. >=20 > I've amended ~/.login_conf with > me:\ > :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ > :lang=3Dfr_FR.ISO-8859-1: >=20 > but to no avail.=20 > The only solution I've found is to switch to sc(4) in /boot/loader.conf >=20 > So my question is: should i file a bug ? Definitely. I have the same problem with vt and de_DE.ISO8859-1 if I want to use the Umlauts =F6 =E4 =FC =D6 =C4 =DC and Eszett =DF. This is one of the cases where vt cannot do what sc could do for decades. Maybe a workaround for you is this: Set fr_FR.UTF-8 and check if you get the correct accents on the vowels (or just "escaped unprintable" representation). However, according to _my_ documentation the setting does not have a 2nd "-" in it, not fr_FR.ISO-8859-1, but fr_FR.ISO8859-1 (only one "-") should be used. Maybe you can try this as well? --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 20:29:34 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22A3E9D8B5 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mx0.gentlemail.de (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 806BD77778 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from mh0.gentlemail.de (mh0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a135]) by mx0.gentlemail.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id vBBKTW8D090891; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:29:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@omnilan.de) Received: from titan.inop.mo1.omnilan.net (s1.omnilan.de [217.91.127.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh0.gentlemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6AB3EFE9; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:29:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5A2EEAAB.8060702@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:29:31 +0100 From: Harry Schmalzbauer Organization: OmniLAN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-DE; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100906 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca CC: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Subject: Re: IPMITool questions: References: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> <93d4d4f96a4766fd76478371bee8f2d8.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <93d4d4f96a4766fd76478371bee8f2d8.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mx0.gentlemail.de [IPv6:2a00:e10:2800::a130]); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:29:32 +0100 (CET) X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: mx0.gentlemail.de; Sender-ip: ; Sender-helo: mh0.gentlemail.de; ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:29:35 -0000 Bezüglich James B. Byrne's Nachricht vom 11.12.2017 20:57 (localtime): > > On Mon, December 11, 2017 13:07, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> do you want to establish pre-boot sessions via SoL or a login session >> to FreeBSD? >> > > I only need access to the pre-boot console. The remote system is set > up with an encrypted zfs file system and configured to boot from zfs. > The boot process needs the encryption key pass phrase to start. That's what I would neither call pre-boot nor post-boot, but during-boot ;-) Similar solution: You have to tell the boot loader to use serial console. Out of memory I don't know which stage asks for GELI... If /boot/loader.conf (3rd stage) is too late (which I don't think, so it's worth trying boot_multicons="YES" in /boot/loader.conf), you can pass "-nDS115200" to the 2nd boot stage, by putting it into /boot.config. Hope that helps, -harry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 20:32:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4370E9DBB0 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7637177C5F for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CB2622B0; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:32:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CHpylDG6aAVF; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 811FE621D6; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:32:04 -0500 Message-ID: <273c881f84fb16ed7b998d942b0c88dd.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> References: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:32:04 -0500 Subject: Re: IPMITool questions: From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Harry Schmalzbauer" Cc: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca, "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:32:08 -0000 This is what I presently have in loader.conf on the target system, all of which has been added by configuration programs. In other words, there has been no direct editing of this file: # cat /boot/loader.conf geli_ada0p4_keyfile0_type="ada0p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada0p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_type="ada1p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" geli_ada2p4_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada2p4_keyfile0_type="ada2p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada2p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" geli_ada3p4_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada3p4_keyfile0_type="ada3p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada3p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" aesni_load="YES" geom_eli_load="YES" geom_eli_passphrase_prompt="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot/ROOT/default" kern.geom.label.gptid.enable="0" zpool_cache_load="YES" zpool_cache_type="/boot/zfs/zpool.cache" zpool_cache_name="/boot/zfs/zpool.cache" zfs_load="YES" vmn_load="YES" nmdm_load="YES" if_bridge_load="YES" if_tap_load="YES" And this is what I have in /etc/ttys: # cat /etc/ttys # status Must be on or off. If on, init will run the getty program on # the specified port. If the word "secure" appears, this tty # allows root login. # # name getty type status comments # # If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root password # when going to single-user mode. console none unknown off secure # ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure # Virtual terminals ttyv1 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv2 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv3 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv4 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv5 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv6 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv7 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" xterm on secure ttyv8 "/usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure # Serial terminals # The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc. ttyu0 "/usr/libexec/getty 3wire" vt100 onifconsole secure ttyu1 "/usr/libexec/getty 3wire" vt100 onifconsole secure ttyu2 "/usr/libexec/getty 3wire" vt100 onifconsole secure ttyu3 "/usr/libexec/getty 3wire" vt100 onifconsole secure # Dumb console dcons "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 off secure -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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I've figured it out finally. So to use vt(4) with accented west European glyphs I had to do the followin= g in ~/.login_conf me:\ :charset=3DUTF-8: in rc.conf keymap=3Dfr.acc Steve, yes the handbook I was trying to read is fr_FR.ISO8859-1. There is n= o fr_FR.UTF-8 handbook unfortunately (at least did not find on svn). Also should the handbook (the i18l section) be updated since vt(4) is defau= lt driver? ________________________________________ From: Polytropon Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 8:22:52 PM To: Vitalio D Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on c= onsole On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:28:52 +0000, Vitalio D wrote: > I'm running 11.1-STABLE snapshot from November. By default my > vty driver is vt(4) as seen from > sysctl kern.vty > kern.vty=3Dvt > > I've tried to configure french keyboard so to be able to see and > type accentuated characters, but could not succeed. > > I've amended ~/.login_conf with > me:\ > :charset=3DISO-8859-1:\ > :lang=3Dfr_FR.ISO-8859-1: > > but to no avail. > The only solution I've found is to switch to sc(4) in /boot/loader.conf > > So my question is: should i file a bug ? Definitely. I have the same problem with vt and de_DE.ISO8859-1 if I want to use the Umlauts =F6 =E4 =FC =D6 =C4 =DC and Eszett =DF. This i= s one of the cases where vt cannot do what sc could do for decades. Maybe a workaround for you is this: Set fr_FR.UTF-8 and check if you get the correct accents on the vowels (or just "escaped unprintable" representation). However, according to _my_ documentation the setting does not have a 2nd "-" in it, not fr_FR.ISO-8859-1, but fr_FR.ISO8859-1 (only one "-") should be used. Maybe you can try this as well? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 20:51:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC2FE9E4A0 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:51:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DDF878B38 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8746241A; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:51:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vgbA72Cg5O_q; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A0246217B; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1122717c5b0673c8ed569a9190d8283c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> In-Reply-To: <5A2EEAAB.8060702@omnilan.de> References: <0357d8aee93fb02cd39af11f6476487b.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <5A2EC94A.9000000@omnilan.de> <93d4d4f96a4766fd76478371bee8f2d8.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> <5A2EEAAB.8060702@omnilan.de> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:51:53 -0500 Subject: Re: IPMITool questions: From: "James B. Byrne" To: "Harry Schmalzbauer" Cc: "James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions" Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:51:56 -0000 On Mon, December 11, 2017 15:29, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: >> The boot process needs the encryption key pass phrase to start. > > That's what I would neither call pre-boot nor post-boot, but > during-boot ;-) > > Similar solution: You have to tell the boot loader to use serial > console. > Out of memory I don't know which stage asks for GELI... If > /boot/loader.conf (3rd stage) is too late (which I don't think, > so it's worth trying boot_multicons="YES" in /boot/loader.conf), > you can pass "-nDS115200" to the 2nd boot stage, by putting it > into /boot.config. > > Hope that helps, > > -harry > I have added boot_multicons="YES" to the bottom of /boot/loader.conf but I will have to await a suitable opportunity to restart the host. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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There is > no fr_FR.UTF-8 handbook unfortunately (at least did not find on svn). You can convert it with iconv ... > Also should the handbook (the i18l section) be updated since vt(4) is > default driver? ... but I agree you shouldn't have to. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 21:13:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00498E9ED17 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.dol_s@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR03-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092072034.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.72.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FBE779874 for ; 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Actually I was quick on a reply button. It still does not work. Well ... After reboot I can type =E9 chars and see them at login prompt, but as soon= as I get the shell prompt I can't do so any more! (my shell is csh and TER= M=3Dxterm). So I removed altogether ~/.login_conf (I though may be I've messed somethin= g with my :charset=3DUTF-8:), but still the same result: I can type '=E9' = on login: but not after. Any ideas? It's super weird. ________________________________________ From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org on behalf of Steve O'Hara-Smith Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:03:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on c= onsole On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:48:38 +0000 Vitalio D wrote: > Steve, yes the handbook I was trying to read is fr_FR.ISO8859-1. There is > no fr_FR.UTF-8 handbook unfortunately (at least did not find on svn). You can convert it with iconv ... > Also should the handbook (the i18l section) be updated since vt(4) is > default driver? ... but I agree you shouldn't have to. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 21:19:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16935E9F0EF for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua0-x22d.google.com (mail-ua0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE90679BD2 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodsb02@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id i92so12963394uad.7 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:19:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9HvGOIUDi6i+T3BbZ9V5tCc0haPm3tuByhw4ean/CUs=; b=qBZt3O4IbS3LBA6SPMnitMWqKjqrEK/gseRe66h4sVcdnPGRixt7ojen5zzDTIjF9G nBDfYq90tzONKWjgjioOc2yvSRl+jXzrdei0AzDG7bUULL99hE3ZHO5bBegcT5ITeoic +WMsrw7pZcHiFeQuJbz9PuvWPpeyOkT0owuu9g1jPaFvWll6bB7ID5zilaRfD6AmN81R BsT8BnosV236eg05pSiUHX2AkT5VlIq851txDquS0FPXLHD/GsxwSNX8CQAAcJW3mexl 8TSGZQzOsl6CV59nG0NDcjo1uiSEiB6vRS8CvgR6P6vHE0zfOPmPap/WuMmeyvbeMQ+n NY/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9HvGOIUDi6i+T3BbZ9V5tCc0haPm3tuByhw4ean/CUs=; b=YQDs/JbCHOF/41wjHV9CQP7Wl0q8pm8+41E7aybyUYbv3z3qNVMVAMNMEN/MPHX62/ RfZIh1/HVLw2xSHBD+wrhMd0sqt1fYtqd4w50+Uedv5rKIAJWSgpYnr54BFthPEeXBZa XJwjR673R/aJweU8ZNaiZJOa+J4svrNFXctQcEnrabhsV+lU6DCmkfQVeC/322gvaAR4 vl/nVUmYEYJU4ZGfIU764DbskSR9seezO64BX9BM9MEV54qw2Sf3kF8bBd+VVtYx4x7g OSFWuuJgOg7MFDy8/l2A8b1ALD3qNUKDf0MzRX4B3y58xtrzlvy4xKyPRmmseQkXlEKS Tz+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLMQCaEEMg0xeswLtgmYAdfyzPqbBVdnV0RXday3d+CCx2A4oAS ErkjAk5j1ioi0SA0+nh8osNVxEoVOCjOCnJZayw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovrPBNS9C0fu75R4YTx5HXya0vQPb/gmOsWHOHuk1ZKpXoY9GkBwLPXs47csHFpLNeivzyPQWSNaCszhIHDoZQ= X-Received: by 10.159.42.203 with SMTP id d11mr2018153uaj.74.1513027161724; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:19:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20171211212252.e403c4d2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Ben Woods Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:19:10 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console To: Vitalio D Cc: Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "steve@sohara.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:19:23 -0000 On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 at 9:49 am, Vitalio D wrote: > Hello, Polytropon, Steve > > Thank you guys for your help. I've figured it out finally. > So to use vt(4) with accented west European glyphs I had to do the > following > in ~/.login_conf > > me:\ > :charset=3DUTF-8: > > in rc.conf > keymap=3Dfr.acc > > Steve, yes the handbook I was trying to read is fr_FR.ISO8859-1. There is > no fr_FR.UTF-8 handbook unfortunately (at least did not find on svn). > Also should the handbook (the i18l section) be updated since vt(4) is > default driver? > Hi Vitalio, That=E2=80=99s great it=E2=80=99s now working for you! Do you think you would be able to generate some text to add to the i18l section of the handbook with your findings about vt(4), and submit it in a bug report? You could initially just submit this as plain text, or even better if you wanted to go the next step, as a diff to the handbook source. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n/ Instructions on how to submit improvements to the handbook are described in French here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ Regards, Ben --=20 -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 21:26:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED11E9F4D1 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.dol_s@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR02-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092068027.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.68.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12DF77A1BA for ; 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As I've mentioned it seems to work only for login prompt (the moment after boot when "login:" is displayed). Once I'm logged in I can't type accentuated chars anymore. Got nothing special though. Just default xterm (set in /etc/ttys) and csh as shell. ________________________________________ From: Ben Woods Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:19:10 PM To: Vitalio D Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; steve@sohara.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on c= onsole On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 at 9:49 am, Vitalio D > wrote: Hello, Polytropon, Steve Thank you guys for your help. I've figured it out finally. So to use vt(4) with accented west European glyphs I had to do the followin= g in ~/.login_conf me:\ :charset=3DUTF-8: in rc.conf keymap=3Dfr.acc Steve, yes the handbook I was trying to read is fr_FR.ISO8859-1. There is n= o fr_FR.UTF-8 handbook unfortunately (at least did not find on svn). Also should the handbook (the i18l section) be updated since vt(4) is defau= lt driver? Hi Vitalio, That=92s great it=92s now working for you! Do you think you would be able to generate some text to add to the i18l sec= tion of the handbook with your findings about vt(4), and submit it in a bug= report? You could initially just submit this as plain text, or even better if you w= anted to go the next step, as a diff to the handbook source. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n/ Instructions on how to submit improvements to the handbook are described in= French here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ Regards, Ben -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 21:58:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB164E9FEC1 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB9597B44F for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1513029489; x=1515621489; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f+QVsqyOf9nOyoK7SDYeQxkTNYiiL8QVUrykY+cp97E=; b=IqU/+PydkAy7II0LgG5+sPTceavbddFb/QNSyAJR3cjwgeZWlaNXMgMWWBFP/RxS8V9iVoiHzIS407IzqgPIXSIugr+Evanz+g2pf+jTI91QMIE0sBqeak5K+LSlnplxeaxIFOlwjnXdtgDCO7lSq98ORg4UQde5ryJ9FltRgTs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDZmMTAyMC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.h.in.socketlabs.com (r2.h.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.180.12]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:58:01 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:57:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eOW5B-000Nsx-St for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:57:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:57:53 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console Message-Id: <20171211215753.f024863d31e86bccab826096@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20171211212252.e403c4d2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171211210325.9a2eb08332fae34d3fdbf6e6@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:58:06 -0000 On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:13:00 +0000 Vitalio D wrote: > Hello, again :) > > It's just got even more weird. > Actually I was quick on a reply button. It still does not work. Well ... > After reboot I can type é chars and see them at login prompt, but as soon > as I get the shell prompt I can't do so any more! (my shell is csh and > TERM=xterm). Very odd, it sounds like something in the csh startup is changing the keyboard map. 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As we say in french 'ouf enfin' :) So yes both MM_CHARSET and LANG are mandatory CHARSET should be UTF-8 and lang accordingly in my case fr_FR.UTF-8 >From ~/.login_config me:\ :charset=3DUTF-8:\ :lang=3Dfr_FR.UTF-8: Drawback is that now all doc is in french :) This is kind surprising that I= 'm forced to read a doc in french when all I wanted is to be able to type som= e=20 weird french letters. :) That's why I've missed it first time. I was just s= etting the charset but not lang. valid lang values can be figured out as from handbook by running 'locale -a= ' command, and yes there is a fr_FR.UTF-8 entry. Thank you all. I'll see if got time to read fdp-primer and submit diff for doc. Thanks again. You guys rock. ________________________________________ From: Ben Woods Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 9:19 PM To: Vitalio D Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; steve@sohara.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on c= onsole On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 at 9:49 am, Vitalio D > wrote: Hello, Polytropon, Steve Thank you guys for your help. I've figured it out finally. So to use vt(4) with accented west European glyphs I had to do the followin= g in ~/.login_conf me:\ :charset=3DUTF-8: in rc.conf keymap=3Dfr.acc Steve, yes the handbook I was trying to read is fr_FR.ISO8859-1. There is n= o fr_FR.UTF-8 handbook unfortunately (at least did not find on svn). Also should the handbook (the i18l section) be updated since vt(4) is defau= lt driver? Hi Vitalio, That=92s great it=92s now working for you! Do you think you would be able to generate some text to add to the i18l sec= tion of the handbook with your findings about vt(4), and submit it in a bug= report? You could initially just submit this as plain text, or even better if you w= anted to go the next step, as a diff to the handbook source. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/head/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/l10n/ Instructions on how to submit improvements to the handbook are described in= French here: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ Regards, Ben -- -- From: Benjamin Woods woodsb02@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 22:14:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78848EA067E for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFE1A7BF9A for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lr6Nr-1f1ReV11VL-00eblj; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:14:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:13:58 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Vitalio D Cc: Ben Woods , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "steve@sohara.org" Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console Message-Id: <20171211231358.9fb80b47.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20171211212252.e403c4d2.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XszuH7RPF8MRUqVbnhrPSfkGrmxgnoYhwswBAXNQceqNrtVe7ky pegpOizfDHsE4+6mLqM8c9N+PGLAi6fktNM2Nr+3vEFxAZ+Q1G0qK3YNyW4FC0GeN8KVfiy cA1D52fVHpEEO4zR11HhyYuZWlsE2E88Rfvl4is0A0xEyadqjJHOkBKDxhDjsNHBM6oWrBr qtykZOPAEVrEljKGB9g5A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Z29+LImY0pM=:TkhZ8E+sRhd1VeM6m4ORU4 PAnkPEd+5I42cChIX8lJD7IT19nKm9Hqr2Ncd+KwEp+LfxJqY/I1nXOKHXVc0TxOoP2wZpl9k dEthfZmoFXkfXubxR55FKPCjxyWj3ga6yNpNzBXs0pgohUly7Tk8JjGi/9UbuCrIuBNmFWm1c vkO7nD1iJi0GjVKCam0If5Tu9nGV6oIWuSqHrhwmDVI8N9DxDq2hRgZeZz+GCSnvmzJrqNlH6 /lfx1DqbuuLdOjc9HdBqr1hOpJPMtSKJC5djo2M9wU+bP42dQVXzXKOecwaleJI/5Jo/3/BLM 5NYz4G7YvETyz8dAjeESSPo+i5ITfquOPRQqUFbcb2l9lwx1JpkSMx0nYjOghf1ZA1KJ7fwta Ixzfc96MDNksCjl61SII21qIMpR2EduNzC13z8FlbjX77XZE6OIPdS4hkvcCxIlfeWF+JT1hd CS4R4u3sFJ9IPtYrIjsKrL7/J20BbN3fhANA+utQv2cjhWcupK+lGK13njxzcSd71AfoM21UL ahX6aH3TGrSwtDmWRNnUL/JFs+5akxuo1kv5WBvXC1u/xrSQ+3W6JX/j3a09KjQR7Oc3gnzZf EAhRIbJJrErGiGq1pnplfnXQERzW7o94WNi/nY8gHKQZgo0ZVlmfqa27NNsQ+odUVTI6Mo7b2 1yqIvqwK498KQe6D7eiTyOu9BA1m8yZjINkgw/NNywcqS/7GmRXgdKMkoohovsnXtu7SbE4e1 WEiOw01tLuXuBBhkZUzS3Hhhf9hYKMTAjzpJ2RWtkQ7JkVv2ml6rZdEjUFo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:14:19 -0000 On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:02:25 +0000, Vitalio D wrote: > Hello, Ben, Polytropon, Steve > > Ok got it at the end. As we say in french 'ouf enfin' :) > > So yes both MM_CHARSET and LANG are mandatory > CHARSET should be UTF-8 > and lang accordingly in my case fr_FR.UTF-8 > From ~/.login_config > > me:\ > :charset=UTF-8:\ > :lang=fr_FR.UTF-8: > > Drawback is that now all doc is in french :) > This is kind surprising that I'm > forced to read a doc in french when all I wanted is to be able to type some > weird french letters. :) That is surely _not_ surprising. Setting lang in login.conf has an effect on certain LC_ variables. As you know, there is LC_ALL, LC_MESSAGES (the system messages), LC_TIME for time format, and so on, and there is LANG (with a specific precedence). If you don't set lang in login.conf, but instead use your C shell login file with setenv's, you can exercise more control: setenv LC_ALL en_US.UTF-8 As well as: setenv LC_MESSAGES en_US.UTF-8 setenv LC_COLLATE de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_CTYPE de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_MONETARY de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_NUMERIC de_DE.UTF-8 setenv LC_TIME de_DE.UTF-8 This example will set german standards everywhere, but the messages will still be in the preferred english language. > That's why I've missed it first time. I was just setting the > charset but not lang. Keyboard language and screen language should match, at least agree on the character set. :-) > valid lang values can be figured out as from handbook by running > 'locale -a' command, > and yes there is a fr_FR.UTF-8 entry. That entry name is correct. Now you're probably beginning to experience the joy of incompatible character encodings on your system - ISO8859-1 vs. UTF-8, different kinds of spaces that all look the same, one byte ot two bytes, well, who cares... and don't even try to count how many characters... THERE ARE FOUR CHARACTERS! ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 22:15:49 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A40EA0768 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ED6A7C08C for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1513030553; x=1515622553; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fhsSJ9Q/UV7KdUF1qGiby/qnhXZ83MODPZVx6zH6X3k=; b=HQ3tU+Abrf+y2OLlHK3SmLGRbKgU02xQ7OTDxPG2kEJ1v1P2LQgtfdAuSR0Kpb/LMNRqwJ+7Xu1a08uN83aXsBqCrbKV/yU+0tUqU9/zjytQg/LXViac7UZUwH4hmeNsezJxD8ylb1aLEn7TMc1eAK3Z3b6BBpOmaO3HIxVVyYU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDZmNzczNi5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.12]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:15:43 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:15:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eOWMI-000O8H-OU; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:15:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:15:34 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Vitalio D Cc: Ben Woods , Polytropon , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on console Message-Id: <20171211221534.e64432aa268b0cf4dac5096a@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20171211212252.e403c4d2.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:15:49 -0000 On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:02:25 +0000 Vitalio D wrote: > me:\ > :charset=UTF-8:\ > :lang=fr_FR.UTF-8: > > Drawback is that now all doc is in french :) This is kind surprising that > I'm forced to read a doc in french when all I wanted is to be able to > type some weird french letters. :) That's why I've missed it first time. > I was just setting the charset but not lang. You should be able to set any UTF-8 locale for lang, mine is en_IE.UTF-8 and I can type accented characters fine using the us.acc map. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 23:13:14 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727BAEA20D6 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic303-23.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic303-23.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.64.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D91D7E777 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:13:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: WvpmtfoVM1lKUJ.vaaNs6xh7lM6w7Fzy7Bnw0Hnf0MeNegY8Qb.gP6q4UUp3Vak vxkCNPt.Q0fA0sEltQokeEd0RAxCZwVXiUxk4GffqWpfoIrQMhytBmKKLHQ5RkGmMW2BRGevzs70 UF8yP.QBhJd2R.1DHgFBSsVIK9WauujneL7eYV7JW2IQdomCti05A_b8up3.f9kDG486OeE10nRM f0Y3tDttnq7F6bm9r1C6Br4xvT69aRZ2jSxavuBEu_HCQA19wF9HBqj0g9ZvbMRXHRTSRWnAagUU bmP2ZzBokYFP4Mpd7FBnbChkRe7LrFIR9tXO4GqSlwRJDwEv3ulYGA1cEAfcW1MZQz8AaPcQEtyo jXQ32WaloztbLVX0d9992mcy9aT.B7zGzVNNCvo4fVovYEPIi6rGBLSjxOwd_AV29wpXEAM8ZjQh _AqrLZSxXPwX6PdWQwFSgRXvHROCb8fVfwFkP7R4C7kkUAR3BAveLyPJwavbIDLXbkVe7lrJUqhN UprU- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:13:13 +0000 Received: from smtpgate102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (EHLO [192.168.0.209]) ([10.214.153.45]) by smtp414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID -1397451363 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Boot issue after upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8706ecd1205493e8db739db69303c37c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: <6f0519e3-48b8-268d-f8c5-56283b63c673@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:52:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8706ecd1205493e8db739db69303c37c.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 23:13:14 -0000 Then, I, most humbly, apologize. It seems that CentOS seems to have the same old dependency issues with it's packages that have plagued it. If I go and install the epel and load packages, I still, occasionally, get dependency issues and conflicts on CentOS I don't get those when using RH proper. Of course, most of the packages seem to come down from RH repos. As I said, I've been working with both for the last 10 years along with SuSe, Debian, Ubuntu, etc, etc. Thank you for the correction. P. On 12/11/2017 11:12, James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sun, December 10, 2017 22:00, Paul Pathiakis wrote: > >> Yes, CentOS compiles from RH, however, all the most recent ported >> utilities come from cutting edge, not from RH. It leads to >> instability. RH stays with stuff that has stabilized and had the >> bugs shaken out. They leave all of that to CentOS and Fedora before >> incorporating to RH. >> > That statement is false. If you doubt me then send your claim as made > above to Johnny Hughes and let us know what > response you get. > > We are moving away from CentOS to FreeBSD. But that has to do with > RedHat's desire to become the Linux incarnation of Microsoft and has > nothing to do with the integrity of the CentOS team. CentOS is a > binary reproduction of the corresponding RHEL release; saving only the > copyright and trademark removals. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 01:28:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1388E8380E for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83A0336C0; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBC1S7V1014366; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:28:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <460ae512-89b6-d09f-b567-fefff373b087@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <2ae72a98-9584-aee2-bb41-31dbc31250f8@dreamchaser.org> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:27:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <460ae512-89b6-d09f-b567-fefff373b087@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:28:08 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:28:16 -0000 On 12/11/17 00:56, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 11/12/2017 04:56, Gary Aitken wrote: > >>>> md99 none swap sw,file=/usr/swap/swap,late > 0 0 > >>> Your swap configuration is also mostly likely silly.  If you need >>> more performance, that's not the way to do it. > >> Can you explain or point me to an explanation for this comment?  It >> looks to me like what's shown in the EXAMPLES section of "man fstab". > > You're swapping to a file-backed memory device, which is not the best > choice for performance. The best choice is to swap to raw partitions on > your hard drives. Having several disks with a swap partition on each > can help, as it allows you to spread the IO load over several devices, > but that's a marginal gain and not necessary in general. > > The reasoning being that you're involving all of the kernel machinery to > support filesystem IO for what is meant to be the very low-level and > simplified operation of paging memory in and out of swap. > > Yes, you can create a file-backed swap area, but just because you can > doesn't mean you should. Creating a file-backed swap is useful in > special cases, like you're working on that part of the kernel and need > to test adding or removing swap devices, or you're trying to cope with > some exceptional process that is really far too large for your system to > handle. > > Ideally nowadays you should have enough RAM to contain all of your > active processes without needing to swap, so the whole point should > really be moot. Many thanks for the clarification. 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Thank you very much again for insights. ________________________________________ From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 10:15 PM To: Vitalio D Cc: Ben Woods; Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vt(4) iso-8859-1 latin accentuated characters do not show on c= onsole On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:02:25 +0000 Vitalio D wrote: > me:\ > :charset=3DUTF-8:\ > :lang=3Dfr_FR.UTF-8: > > Drawback is that now all doc is in french :) This is kind surprising that > I'm forced to read a doc in french when all I wanted is to be able to > type some weird french letters. :) That's why I've missed it first time. > I was just setting the charset but not lang. You should be able to set any UTF-8 locale for lang, mine is en_IE.UTF-8 and I can type accented characters fine using the us.acc map. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 06:56:51 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A974E8F7E3 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850EC6F1E3 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39888901; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:52:00 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBC6ujwc073338; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:56:47 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBC6ugFQ073336; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:56:42 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:56:42 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-ID: <20171212065642.GC72523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 06:56:51 -0000 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about > > Poudriere. ;-) > > > > How do you pronounce it anyways? Listen here: https://tinyurl.com/yax56eqa French sounds so nice :-) -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 07:03:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB032E8FB52 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:03:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0376F5DB for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39888905; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:58:32 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBC73Hqg073546; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:03:19 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBC73ETJ073545; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:03:14 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:03:14 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-ID: <20171212070313.GD72523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:03:23 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudriere, to be bloated. > > > > I don't even consider poudriere bloated. It is neat, does not require > > weird dependencies or GUI libs, stores its configuration in text > > files, uses the standard ports and jail infrastructure. Why would > > anyone call it bloated? > > Not exactly bloated, but it could be considered "overhead" > just to build one or two ports. It's not meant for that. I use it for what it was meant: a local repository (you can even look at it at http://svn.sibptus.ru/) from where I install packages to a dozen FreeBSD hosts, with the options I need. > However, Poudriere is not > intended as a replacement for portmaster or portmanager, Of course! It makes "pkg install|upgrade" on several hosts much easier. > that's important to keep in mind. And for the specific > case I mentioned, local repositories and restricted lists > are the way to go. If even that's too much, the classic > "make install" and "pkg lock" will probably be okay. > > Except for the name, I don't dislike anything specific about > Poudriere. ;-) I love French! I love the way it sounds and I love songs in French. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 07:19:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BFCE90059 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D71B6FCE4 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.115.155] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eOeqn-0007zs-1F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:19:37 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id vBC7JZeI018679 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:19:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id vBC7JZPr018678 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:19:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:19:35 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-ID: <20171212071935.GA18626@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171212070313.GD72523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171212070313.GD72523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.115.155 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 07:19:46 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El d=C3=ADa martes, diciembre 12, 2017 a las 02:03:14p. m. +0700, Victor Su= dakov escribi=C3=B3: > Polytropon wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudr= iere, to be bloated. > > >=20 > > > I don't even consider poudriere bloated. It is neat, does not require > > > weird dependencies or GUI libs, stores its configuration in text > > > files, uses the standard ports and jail infrastructure. Why would > > > anyone call it bloated? > >=20 > > Not exactly bloated, but it could be considered "overhead" > > just to build one or two ports.=20 >=20 > It's not meant for that. I use it for what it was meant: a local > repository (you can even look at it at http://svn.sibptus.ru/) from > where I install packages to a dozen FreeBSD hosts, with the options I > need. I'm building around ~2000 ports of HEAD as a local repo to be installed on my farm of laptops and netbooks (~8 devices). It's just the right tool for this and easy to manage. Once setup, just forget it. 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Storage issue Message-ID: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:53:20 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to bring back to life an old Soekris NET4501 board. It served last as networking bridge running FreeBSD 9.0. I created a small FreeBSD 11.1 image with nanobsd, using GENERIC +=20 CPU_ELAN/SOEKRIS stuff as kernel. The board boots from internal CF=20 but fails to mount the root partition it seems there are no=20 suitabile devices to mount the root partition from. The problem seems CAM related but I'm unable to investigate it further. This NET4501 is equipped with just 64MB of RAM: I built a custom kernel without the unnecessary devices and options, even without SMP and ACPI, but the boot process fails as usual mounting the root partition. Here's a session record: POST: 0123456789bcefghipajklnoq,,,tvwxy=1B[2J comBIOS ver. 1.27 20041122 Copyright (C) 2000-2004 Soekris Engineering. net45xx CPU 80486 133 Mhz=20 Pri Mas Hitachi XX.V.3.4.0.0 LBA Xlt 993-32-63 1001 Mbyte Slot Vend Dev ClassRev Cmd Stat CL LT HT Base1 Base2 Int=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- 0:00:0 1022 3000 06000000 0006 2280 00 00 00 00000000 00000000=20 0:18:0 100B 0020 02000000 0107 0290 00 3F 00 0000E001 A0000000 10 0:19:0 100B 0020 02000000 0107 0290 00 3F 00 0000E101 A0001000 11 0:20:0 100B 0020 02000000 0107 0290 00 3F 00 0000E201 A0002000 05 Seconds to automatic boot. Press Ctrl-P for entering Monitor. 1 FreeBSD 2 FreeBSD F6 PXE Boot: 1=20 -/boot/config: -h -S19200 BIOS 639kB/64512kB available memory FreeBSD/x86 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [/boot/kernel/kernel]... =20 Copyright (c) 1992-2017 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p5 #0 r326470: Sat Dec 9 19:34:25 CET 2017 francesco@avalon.thwn:/usr/obj/nanobsd.NET4501/i386.i386/usr/src/sys/SO= EKRIS i386 FreeBSD clang version 4.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_400/final 297347) (based on LLVM = 4.0.0) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4/Am5x86 Write-Back (486-class CPU) Origin=3D"AuthenticAMD" Id=3D0x494 Family=3D0x4 Model=3D0x9 Stepping= =3D4 Features=3D0x1 real memory =3D 67108864 (64 MB) avail memory =3D 33566720 (32 MB) taskqgroup_adjust failed cnt: 1 stride: 1 mp_ncpus: 1 smp_started: 0 taskqgroup_adjust failed cnt: 1 stride: 1 mp_ncpus: 1 smp_started: 0 random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xc1012410, 0) error 19 ACPI BIOS Error (bug): A valid RSDP was not found (20170303/tbxfroot-369) ACPI: Table initialisation failed: AE_NOT_FOUND ACPI: Try disabling either ACPI or apic support. vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard sysctl machdep.i8254_freq=3D1189161 returns 0 Timecounter "ELAN" frequency 8333333 Hz quality 1000 pcib0 pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0= xa0000fff irq 10 at device 18.0 on pci0 sis0: Silicon Revision: DP83816A miibus0: on sis0 nsphyter0: PHY 0 on miibus0 nsphyter0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c4:53:fc sis1: port 0xe100-0xe1ff mem 0xa0001000-0= xa0001fff irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 sis1: Silicon Revision: DP83816A miibus1: on sis1 nsphyter1: PHY 0 on miibus1 nsphyter1: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis1: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c4:53:fd sis2: port 0xe200-0xe2ff mem 0xa0002000-0= xa0002fff irq 5 at device 20.0 on pci0 sis2: Silicon Revision: DP83816A miibus2: on sis2 nsphyter2: PHY 0 on miibus2 nsphyter2: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis2: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c4:53:fe cpu0 on motherboard isa0: on motherboard pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc8000-0xd0fff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 ata0: at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1: at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 atrtc0: at port 0x70 irq 8 on isa0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: at port 0x40 on isa0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1189161 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1189161 Hz quality 100 ppc0: parallel port not found. uart0: <16550 or compatible> at port 0x3f8 irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 uart0: console (19200,n,8,1) uart1: <16550 or compatible> at port 0x2f8 irq 3 on isa0 Timecounters tick every 6.666 msec Elan-mmcr driver: MMCR at 0xcc25e000. PPS support. Elan-mmcr Soekris net45xx comBIOS ver. 1.27 20041122 Copyright (C) 2000-2004 usb_needs_explore_all: no devclass nvme cam probe device init (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE. ACB: ef 03 00 00 00 40= 00 00 00 00 0c 00 (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 04 (ABRT ) (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE. ACB: ef 03 00 00 00 40= 00 00 00 00 0c 00 (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 04 (ABRT ) (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]... mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada0s1a... Does anyone have suggestions, please? Thanks, f. 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Storage issue To: fml Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:09:53 -0000 On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:52 PM, fml wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to bring back to life an old Soekris NET4501 board. It > served last as networking bridge running FreeBSD 9.0. > > I created a small FreeBSD 11.1 image with nanobsd, using GENERIC + > CPU_ELAN/SOEKRIS stuff as kernel. The board boots from internal CF > but fails to mount the root partition it seems there are no > suitabile devices to mount the root partition from. > The problem seems CAM related but I'm unable to investigate it further. > > This NET4501 is equipped with just 64MB of RAM: I built a custom kernel > without the unnecessary devices and options, even without SMP and ACPI, > A guess is that something(s) you deem unnecessary are in fact necessary for successful boot. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 18:20:53 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953A6EA1C2F for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22f.google.com (mail-lf0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1675F69C89 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:20:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id e137so24238566lfg.5 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:20:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=TZMAqUaKKTyHQUo+H7nOdYxxC10rqbOoq8gzbgREbRE=; b=eznMpzTlAobnnHjJKtohv037lkbN9DFMDDIHtxqLfaicZYk5R+5UrOCaTOY/usxiA+ BUjlNBEuPHgfZPgqG3cUbnng1z0U9WlxZaMIejuknvjCaNK8h2rS9qE1GVIMNPz9u7v+ LfyR4EIbdhWEsVSTdDRcELOcQxjxZzZxZpOtmeHSIY9cH/vd0bOXHhXNxU79ZO6i5AIt IecWGIDe39xzy8fiNygTrnLNl/K2fyv3V87K0AZAjLQvH7F0dsmqNw+BiN/YjqgR6jFa PBH/WmKz9bpnWo/SZ6KpCagPcGflddOABGbqrrNBa3/jA45K95ejl3jgfBp3SDpFNEtn nd+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=TZMAqUaKKTyHQUo+H7nOdYxxC10rqbOoq8gzbgREbRE=; b=UYK3Itplf6n/Pt4dmZ9ckTEtEgeE/G+ng7iL6q5XNCIMGCp3DEIreyNWFNxPHmF/r4 ZQWBM+ZI1iZDCG26bIG6EnNirE23hz+iESqpdiO5r16gZCzxYG4AvR7q/Ft/bd0LjXCa g5pRUfp9sQGa7tWB4qI33zTX5hOR3aQ25fC+NbbEovU2dNQ8FcIgv5ZlKiquEOcVETnb N8MLoYCMR2nMuLDBT7ht8NexwDkzncfBi6Dp2IvSmFmttIi/oQ584MXr6EdwGY1tP2o6 WYUTNFm67Mqwfd8+JGZDDckCoRUp4XGbD0pH3Zl8x5KwbPAshy/WEhPzl21bwE93L7Q8 UPig== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKj9iU0Ty7HDt7hWr8h3xcNmJGR0sqE6wIiy9bCTYfo3BeK4sgW cGsqjmoB4VdHVUI8c11RwMHZ3u0l X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoupTwZR9UNqPji/BdOwOivula2Fd6BVpsYvx9BXMIHkbGqKT/zdy1Ga//ijcUg9Tgo2UKVG+w== X-Received: by 10.46.84.65 with SMTP id y1mr2416473ljd.74.1513102851193; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.thwn ([92.246.116.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i23sm3313682lfh.18.2017.12.12.10.20.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ddc262b4; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:20:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:20:06 +0100 From: fml To: Adam Vande More Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue Message-ID: <20171212192006.GA5968@avalon.thwn> References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:20:53 -0000 On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:09:52PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: > > This NET4501 is equipped with just 64MB of RAM: I built a custom kernel > > without the unnecessary devices and options, even without SMP and ACPI, > > > > A guess is that something(s) you deem unnecessary are in fact necessary for > successful boot. > Kernel is GENERIC + CPU_ELAN and soekris stuff. I _also_ tested a smaller kernel to save some bit of memory, but it failed as well. Thanks, f. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 18:31:12 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F413EA21C9 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:31:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52AAA6A430 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBCIUxWX044594; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) From: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org To: Polytropon Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:30:26 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:31:00 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:31:12 -0000 On 12/11/17 05:58, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >> On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> However, I'm confused. >> Upon reboot, the system checks to see if file systems were properly >> dismounted and is supposed to do an fsck. Since those don't show up >> in messages, I can't verify this, but I'm pretty certain it must have >> thought it was clean, which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain >> is the time involved when run manually as you suggested). > > This is the primary reason for setting > > background_fsck="NO" Already had that set for just that reason. > in /etc/rc.conf - if you can afford a little downtime. > The background fsck doesn't have all the repair capabilities > a forced foreground check has, to it _might_ leave the file > system in an inconsistent state, and the system runs with > that unclean partition. > >> The file system in question was mounted below "/". >> Does the system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? > > Yes, / is the first file system it checks. The two last > fields in /etc/fstab control what fsck will check, and > /etc/rc.conf allows additional flags for those automatic > checks. The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it (as I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of the background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks apparently didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted in single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. Unfortunately, the fsck output is not printed to the log, and I logged in as root on the vt0 device, so it had scrolled off by the time I went to look for it. A good reason never to log into the vt0 device. Is there any way to get the "transient" boot-time fsck and other messages recorded in the log? Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 18:54:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9338EA2F30 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com (mail-it0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E7336BBB8 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id z6so744124iti.4 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:54:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=y7+NjVP49ncUQWkZMkoB/H99Fb99pXBagm4qmTlgMh0=; b=fOGEz3dIip0xMLIg85QL+/w3avFjiyRg7CI6VL5DS2Y7EaXct+8jL50n+/QhhuLmEt 0A2TUZgg0wNwKzl5i78R31SD5Oafg8ru3IZZI2EsJv80m254tuqqzcefAU8A+spO4dDg ZjMy+r6gjABDhgZ1bHmMRCUR6ibs/Z8HlZl1ZesZkjzeGo8SlmG3vRHXGefcuzmHegj5 17C3qak3Az8HfWVb47xW9EnwCa94JYCnJz60nLX/MeahrZjXIbYAbFah6tw1XgSqrdJN hoOQNhlIeEAn4pGGE3jUqGBGpHeg+pavyqPMxTcnUVAUYS69h8PdjkBOGNJxTDfMMUMo FAyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=y7+NjVP49ncUQWkZMkoB/H99Fb99pXBagm4qmTlgMh0=; b=OwD5xHVv/He1uQD0GKJg/DszNAOLNowrDr5PDdUfgiNV2xYTG9bazFKitKIKysqwHi cGaAjMUIrKZiTl3Xh230W9v0OFt3ev4ctQNXLQTlxXXK05SeYejlFPJPxi9At53cMveB k60+x8/NALvbB8fNjzETBXq85LajuWuF19g4UKBAxaJioLrPeESmLjX7ywbEhDXYrkCO Z9W4laQGjVi403mwKnJVnI6eaOci70EPCJdsHg2SX6NWbn05keTlqdI40TsNTgL2f9vU gN1ewj8d1qF/QtGQkNivRIC5q0Cxlkde21xQQ0oEeTRQhSLSJ9b/2dSiuHrnqI4y8fxF hF2A== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mL5voGuq1n+rvhXS/eW/N1cnoSTebwKQMAE2sM793IlmSYZv0/9 3LjWaPPlLptfoS1t27Xd9zmGIgZWZpZKa4JVjDQ0Cg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosbRCVfhbzi+Md4QPHC1IVyPG/KNDcLhj3UydiW796pgxiszOvblj8dHhmNaD+6KWDpiUGGBawVP+qyYamFsZA= X-Received: by 10.36.103.213 with SMTP id u204mr838366itc.91.1513104845971; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:54:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.138.114 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 10:54:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> From: Adam Vande More Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:54:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:54:06 -0000 On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > > The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it (as I > recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of the > background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks apparently > didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted in single-user > mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. That happens if the preen fails. See the man page I pointed you to. There are cases where it can miss things. You can set: fsck_y_enable="YES" If you want it to handle a failed preen automatically. I don't think background fsck presence or lack of had much to do with this. It is a popular whipping boy. A regular foreground fsck may not be a bad idea if your system is prone disk errors or hard crashes. Perhaps sysutils/diskcheckd or a periodic entry, but under *normal* circumstances such things are not needed. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 19:01:46 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78298E802D1 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E77596BFC7 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LZvrB-1esuhh2Okv-00lkRz; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:01:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:01:26 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance Message-Id: <20171212200126.3ddf75e5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hWI6E52awnMmbI8nC+C8UGcOJ0kKstjJwAFb8NOyk1KHXyWIBQM dklLJuyNokP1276my2KgzNkHmLWWiHe3hq8J9RDJ3N9nmPLv4J06voQHc/xvLI+qIljEvJy dZZyddi3LjYjveqU6fzb21oqgnNrqUup+s0/YSLzzb3IBkQbCXGenB7lahmKb1EU4cp3+Ko uDaecdPXDmK+67eJnVWIg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:tvPfefsgfLg=:D3yHaTBGAShOqci3MSgFE8 eHl5Xs0TsJhBustV+tFqGbDojdOQJWIxS83iJ78Ws5Vs3TIdNhvSCyz96SFXfU0RQ6PScQ93E iOcvQ8/2BjLMVWbjEXIapvAc7EbiBYDWM9ur1WFsL1j4m4WMl5n7l8gmVa1AfUnGlqs/Qvv4m WZ3B63/tJN7Fa2HjERbiWCe6fNT+2xUrhV+sdBXlUR1Tuv0mgkUovmeK0P8ZP+9WBKhidLvwA PDxtDHhXZdPDmWXEUfjP88iPXknN78tTL2/6byrUtjI3RiAGws8g91U3QL4c3vayTVKIfUXgZ gYUlzPsVCaBKd+6qqoKfS9/Mlv1aSOllDY/mS+UdiDy7f3sgug8YbikjAhZiL+gH8pn4hZc5o pjgu6/ajxTRlhkCc6AYXUeTKmiLwrXcpQZuo74LO485hzNTgx07QX+mmsWmUkmsWRS62JB65S de5LiHNnWlTr0fkStrjnxuHXdrQYzOof1rYyxOE+MHYgX7QXsBURTkLSVCtfOAyM8FKm4hqZb Wn49tPUaLNHDkHtgIGzJdqquK9WOoI8HBQbbrG58XW+a8TleiJqTypD6UtJRjQESIg29UXRpR OxrxmJtwNXQtDvD+ORsL4rMIENIABOMmh2Bfz14e3FyggFW02KkV/QGL+fThC16tEiK4bRzJJ 1N/XcJ86Ntgj4kZb7T0heZwyoaoU5euQ2tZsPclaVRThyz0w1g0WpXtFv2Gvye/Pew0EtnFH/ qCa1X21M2d4YGVDj/EA7RPUQwW5Mu7kxx+d3GXJElz9FpAdUVi2rGY7J6dc= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:01:46 -0000 On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:30:26 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/11/17 05:58, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: > >>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > > >> However, I'm confused. > >> Upon reboot, the system checks to see if file systems were properly > >> dismounted and is supposed to do an fsck. Since those don't show up > >> in messages, I can't verify this, but I'm pretty certain it must have > >> thought it was clean, which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain > >> is the time involved when run manually as you suggested). > > > > This is the primary reason for setting > > > > background_fsck="NO" > > Already had that set for just that reason. > > > in /etc/rc.conf - if you can afford a little downtime. > > The background fsck doesn't have all the repair capabilities > > a forced foreground check has, to it _might_ leave the file > > system in an inconsistent state, and the system runs with > > that unclean partition. > > > >> The file system in question was mounted below "/". > >> Does the system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? > > > > Yes, / is the first file system it checks. The two last > > fields in /etc/fstab control what fsck will check, and > > /etc/rc.conf allows additional flags for those automatic > > checks. > > The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it (as I > recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of the > background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks apparently > didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted in single-user > mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. Unfortunately, the > fsck output is not printed to the log, and I logged in as root on the vt0 > device, so it had scrolled off by the time I went to look for it. A > good reason never to log into the vt0 device. Is there any way to get > the "transient" boot-time fsck and other messages recorded in the log? There is an easy explanation: The foregroud fsck at boot time can only handle a subset of damages. In some cases, you are required to perform a second run of fsck in order to fix problems. This is where a forced full fsck is very useful (usually in single-user mode). You can specify additional flags for boot-time fsck via /etc/rc.conf, which are: fsck_y_enable="NO" # Set to YES to do fsck -y if the initial preen fails. fsck_y_flags="" # Additional flags for fsck -y background_fsck="YES" # Attempt to run fsck in the background where possible. background_fsck_delay="60" # Time to wait (seconds) before starting the fsck. For example, fsck_y_flags="-f" would be such an addition. As you can see, an initial preen ("limited fsck") can fail, and the filesystem might be in an inconsistent state. This is probably what you've been experiencing. See "man fsck" for details. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 12 22:41:31 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A12E87680 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emilia@disroot.org) Received: from disroot.org (bs-one.disroot.org [178.21.23.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D860C76989 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:41:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emilia@disroot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66462A36D; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:41:21 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1513118481; bh=+zxZRZgmH/jv9XH/0kGOcOmxqaVaAnj/pGTH2eFPes0=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Y5yjfsGqd6WnH36OoKHiW3aV9O6dImO7YbR7tNCroO6ZyWj3oDUDXGhUrzN9/aJwX 5hd87RDJp+rh6ZH4Lsvx66SWY8AYA/F+tTMppnGvpWstnu5vxEVMwbow8zreWagD0I HYh3rtQsd0amnu8h2GRO1m7PXGSeiPDOrDXICbgY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail01.disroot.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5EFyXSyAkWJr; 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Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:07:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13B2A2E34 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBD578jd050365; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:07:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: Polytropon , Adam Vande More Cc: FreeBSD Questions References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> <20171212200126.3ddf75e5.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <603b487e-d1b7-eb98-6bcd-f2c2c6d3b843@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:06:35 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171212200126.3ddf75e5.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:07:09 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:07:22 -0000 On 12/12/17 12:01, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:30:26 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >> On 12/11/17 05:58, Polytropon wrote: >>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>> On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: >>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> >>>> However, I'm confused. Upon reboot, the system checks to see if >>>> file systems were properly dismounted and is supposed to do an >>>> fsck. Since those don't show up in messages, I can't verify >>>> this, but I'm pretty certain it must have thought it was clean, >>>> which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain is the time >>>> involved when run manually as you suggested). >>> >>> This is the primary reason for setting >>> >>> background_fsck="NO" >> >> Already had that set for just that reason. >> >>> in /etc/rc.conf - if you can afford a little downtime. The >>> background fsck doesn't have all the repair capabilities a forced >>> foreground check has, to it _might_ leave the file system in an >>> inconsistent state, and the system runs with that unclean >>> partition. >>> >>>> The file system in question was mounted below "/". Does the >>>> system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? >>> >>> Yes, / is the first file system it checks. The two last fields in >>> /etc/fstab control what fsck will check, and /etc/rc.conf allows >>> additional flags for those automatic checks. >> >> The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it >> (as I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of >> the background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks >> apparently didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted >> in single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. >> Unfortunately, the fsck output is not printed to the log, and I >> logged in as root on the vt0 device, so it had scrolled off by the >> time I went to look for it. A good reason never to log into the >> vt0 device. Is there any way to get the "transient" boot-time fsck >> and other messages recorded in the log? > > There is an easy explanation: > > The foregroud fsck at boot time can only handle a subset of damages. > In some cases, you are required to perform a second run of fsck in > order to fix problems. This is where a forced full fsck is very > useful (usually in single-user mode). > > You can specify additional flags for boot-time fsck via /etc/rc.conf, > which are: > > fsck_y_enable="NO" # Set to YES to do fsck -y if the initial > preen fails. fsck_y_flags="" # Additional flags for fsck -y > background_fsck="YES" # Attempt to run fsck in the background where > possible. background_fsck_delay="60" # Time to wait (seconds) before > starting the fsck. > > For example, fsck_y_flags="-f" would be such an addition. As you can > see, an initial preen ("limited fsck") can fail, and the filesystem > might be in an inconsistent state. This is probably what you've been > experiencing. > > See "man fsck" for details. :-) My language skills must be degenerating along with everything else... :-( I have already read and reread the fsck man page, but thanks for the fsck_y_flags example. I'm fairly sure a normal boot fsck should not have succeeded. According to the handbook, 12.2.4, if an fsck fails it should drop into single user. But it didn't; it simply rebooted with the disk in a messed up state. The disk in question is a non-system disk; 3 file systems mounted at nodes under /hd2 and below, all at pass 4, after all sys disks. It did this repeatedly; I could consistently repeat the failure and crash the system, and it would immediately autoboot into multi-user mode, mounting the problem partition normally rw. However, when I manually unmounted the file system, ran "fsck -f" (which corrected numerous errors), then rebooted, everything was (not surprisingly) once again functioning properly. So I'm looking for, if possible: 1. An explanation for the above behavior, which seems inconsistent with the documented and expected behavior. The only fsck flag set in rc.conf is 'background_fsck="NO"'. Is there some state a disk (or something else, such as a normal shutdown flag), can (however theoretically) be in, where it is possible to have a corrupt disk that won't pass normal boot time fsck in preen mode but will not be checked in the first place, even while another disk, the one containing all the system files, is checked? 2. A way to get the output of boot-time fsck commands recorded in the system log, so one can after the fact of a reboot check to see what the heck went on in terms of the fsck sequence? On 12/12/17 11:54, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Gary Aitken > > wrote: > >> The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it (as >> I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of the >> background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks apparently >> didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted in >> single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. > > That happens if the preen fails. See the man page I pointed you to. > There are cases where it can miss things. Are you saying if the preen fails, it mounts the file system normally and continues to boot into multi-user? According to the man page for fsck, a failure in preen mode will exit with failure, and the rc.d/fsck script (by my incompetent reading) will do stop_boot in that case. > You can set: > > fsck_y_enable="YES" > > If you want it to handle a failed preen automatically. I don't want that; I want it to drop into single-user and let me do a manual fsck. > I don't think background fsck presence or lack of had much to do with > this. It is a popular whipping boy. > > A regular foreground fsck may not be a bad idea if your system is > prone disk errors or hard crashes. Perhaps sysutils/diskcheckd or a > periodic entry, but under *normal* circumstances such things are not > needed. It's been doing foreground fsck all along, as I had a problem with background fsck some year(s) ago. Thanks for the diskcheckd pointer. Thanks for any help; sorry for the dogged persistence... Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 08:35:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB7EE95C09 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76D1167A1B for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M0KWj-1fJD7d1qnd-00udwG; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:34:48 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:34:47 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "emilia" Cc: "Thomas Mueller" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171213093447.370faf00.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4717579052eeccaeb71b33d13379cbc5@disroot.org> References: <20171210190637.fd648800.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> <201712101747.vBAHlV7Z002410@r56.edvax.de> <4717579052eeccaeb71b33d13379cbc5@disroot.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Id/LKhqfx7dhPOlNg0w7kt5YYQMCE7ETTQy3fqfvtvhRraInkpV nl6grJeRPnAMiCk2BVgsGoA4XZJj8WZQsbCF5QfXcensA8LlXnjqy+OEZWmzAMt9bPY01IF P4yJgGsEqYuudVya0nJ+4p/XnexVRCoMszsP5xjZ8bRT9p2cLKHTvvxCU18Bgk4Mb9dsBMS 6tC6dZYlZCihGW844rBYg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gH87L5TdJzY=:JivfqUcD1ad363euOY3TPT TFgB5MeMxlO04ALCj1uBhNd14tC3nR1rwWE0RW1dyvoslHbO2kZxy0p/Cr1KqxuYct6za95Mv kLAyVxCcQkdNjZ4Nub0hHjQDaUyp/BphsndsAow4d9Rra/aA33jPaxI87/d21RDXAXY70a+L9 JLWZ1hWKkCFErjgjBsmInR6CRLXl22GJMtAfufVDtZBQ2aSIrlejMwqg3jqmOOh3SOPcIt3BO 4+UfJ1PcCFFOhz2oQT4Vwlm6l+Y42cjKvmj2V0T5JQ8+i1ngT0Xj57PT+ifH1zO0zoRQztgmR BcRE+XXGHEEV3O5d+OgFkg3gcSt8s1St4VsN6vPQFfbcRZxg7C+pNoP9FoDX8R5axyS7ne4aK mKLc+fhLl7hkFgbM7W100ZtG61IxquZdkZ7k7etk1sOp1dgCC3JBKfgTtt7+GEfd6shca6Xoz aZJzVj4r7eWAwk1oi+Fki+qMqMTMOu50Xd5NHdUgQW2Ej5pMFDUjEwJVM0nwrwujn9UYlQ3XB w6cEJSLvFA/WkV/mc9noniAAohGvZOIQya9qGSNSqEQoAh6rhXuWiN7dJoh8cnGNnhdxrsZtf NcQbGg06LoAErz3MmjWQQkUhecRSOQxhjCQh5LMMYqnHqFbMC+Knwj2E+k1YTfIL8fLWdRRRO fWsC96xNx7j2w8+DhED9gEA5ssEb6ojE0g9rYsVSMHh6xDLnA9BTHZglLFmPqA6tYh4nbCDSQ MHFVpIvubO6Bx+ggukmwunf1kvgAIMnmQ+UvVJVoYZtfZ3U64ys9Cj4NJ/U= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:35:04 -0000 On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:41:19 +0000, emilia wrote: > > Summary: Time to say goodbye to 80x25 text mode and concentrate > > on using X terminals - simply because when you're running vt, > > you can run X, and setting up readable terminal windows is > > much easier in X. > > > > I would love to use a tinier font on tty's, unfortunately it does > not work with the nvidia driver. > but you can get back to textmode if you add hw.vga.textmode=1 to > /boot/loader.conf > (and yes, X11 does work when using this.) I've tried that (v10.3), but it didn't work. The GPU in question is an integrated Intel (in a Lenovo R61i with attached CRT because its backlight died). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 09:23:18 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E072E97821 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:23:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF08696A7 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EB483E9781E; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF08E9781D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F60E696A6 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id d66so1121663qkg.1 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:23:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MvLQu7yoDjjb4DEDqV8T3vw+AUuLq50EIsJEs6Aadpo=; b=Ce67a2hwlF49i0D/W5bt1bM1QVddMCydnLTbLYrbCg8hSZDY1RGlhTPFeMoZOSrH+k RLBpVZRGBo/x3tjZQ8fjVJl0/r5eal0vCsXVz4fmEnhQI6ESgHeGXhXKET4hXDFwyxPC sPKHo2LEgNloZCGdux2nohg6WB6fvm+1KJfMexbcYY787hT5CIuLaj+WcW2k3YoKSiF9 XEuxPe91lRPzwUY8k6vnVl9pYLbRgLKeyGkjksqkrEeloM7dANdV26za5QnSNKTFLFcz M5YBi7eC8XnJFgcivphoicg7my7lp9R+C06+iSE0f4vrkasxzTQwOorfh+12j3MvGMZV V0pQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MvLQu7yoDjjb4DEDqV8T3vw+AUuLq50EIsJEs6Aadpo=; b=ijK8nCBMb0bIDBfnmuy5obGRyaiXz/EJNdFK/loXu1iidG1y4Kw4HRMTrJdzfe7UoY 4Ftr+98U9gvhOQAlcvca57uob/1RV7DhPjZIwPlh39BT9EZk4ih5FxFBqUAlBxhIbfXx kQCLyekrGtdu4CtNj2Mu4JhNkKbjIFYL1kEw21ZaNSzKi3R07BGgJFvb4+c8MDfoTiyZ BrNK+aPWRc6G7gP+T8fy6maWXsJSEn4o+Z71gUxjnOI9f1UVX4yK6jyqDJA5RG+PVzdY ZWnA9WHX0ybFTfm42lUDkbYT1wVBbV4hnRRXojrv1esE5hgjpSU+X8eDsp4cYLeMe1of ZFpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ4c7GtcMBHRKLhUbM8Caq22WetBLPuf0pbCbprv4qEqAd0VG6R 3FQ3K0318O/jpROEnBW6mcZFglnnvimOWbRimfI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBou2EfV+CrWD24+92oasRkZg+sfgGEhQkj6owdwq3V7bNTjdMdLXvmwrxf09jQ9kWCkEEocOUg/tFMxSOuY744Y= X-Received: by 10.55.77.133 with SMTP id a127mr9328292qkb.196.1513156996657; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:23:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.154.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.12.154.10 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 01:23:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5a30ee35.de14190a.c06f8.178c@mx.google.com> References: <5a30ee35.de14190a.c06f8.178c@mx.google.com> From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:23:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 50TB To: =?UTF-8?B?0JTQvNC40YLRgNC40Lkg0J7RiNC60LDQuQ==?= Cc: questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:23:18 -0000 man zpool man zfs Regards Michael On 13 Dec 2017 10:09 am, "=D0=94=D0=BC=D0=B8=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B8=D0=B9 =D0=9E= =D1=88=D0=BA=D0=B0=D0=B9" wrote: > 50TB volume. How can I partition, format, and mount it? > > Thank you! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 12:36:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA5BE9CF2F for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A40C06F140 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue007 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LnYkN-1exZwl1YTP-00hwGl; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:36:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:36:27 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance Message-Id: <20171213133627.49a5e53b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <603b487e-d1b7-eb98-6bcd-f2c2c6d3b843@dreamchaser.org> References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> <20171212200126.3ddf75e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <603b487e-d1b7-eb98-6bcd-f2c2c6d3b843@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8yKhaGX06wPW9LbGIbTxFdW+SpcjxeWLc1bJnPwcR8rV/thRoV2 4Z0RAu5bctm/mS1Q+iNXWElBvY23wAMVtd6fFUxtgFJqnJzIUotRJ7Ff5HKTWjM+4KJkzeX 1gqVcUJ1Eyyr/K8Q0kagq6H8cOr6vq5hsh2WlYl5z5GkZo7xahRI3K+8Q2KDXXeia4Rl1dR 9LH8eLvbGrB9KCzYLgjag== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:KgAWIsyFOGU=:gEN1h1HjZh5hE+H7rh+A+4 7+Wnfu4IX301aLmgpm1Z5iVS8TL3ieKWsPfX7cNoxwNVjGsglvsGb6MLPnKx06doEgjEw/XCU 0MHa2tv+VzK5LrLcVPrvOK5Be9pKbs0wJOm2UMwS1ThdCK7HDmONmflLcgVtxYWASzBCSbbkM tSICRIlzmKtY6x8pK0vp3K5w5xJmwh2/raA0l6DWBe2RkDQIjUQ4HFjnNTgs/Or6e8QEmM83p V3OMuimoWV2ehN2REk/g0hiC39prqmyvMA7VGJYxuZvsE/F1yJYlxQhygHTjPqX1FVTfYqnGe cvzTj7v3+cU7fdxQfB9qSbWAXZnO6w6tReFWOf2yS5dbNyPhD0lkl8QQT7PM/7lvfiO+c/y5+ Mz8wvH1ASGlt5JgbiDJHVY+xyjWUmgBtBJSHXoGzBqMRr4Rku2rcCupgvh9fm/kam1JqW+4oS 8+AX6h1LGFpyvLzyQfjeDSmHSGytRX9nQGDXG/Jfk+R86/OpBMrhHCceIaFJ4zk85+6Tc2UnZ u/uDHXc/EcbI8T5DC1rBtuY0AZ0Efr/fWLzHPWCTVRXLffvpdwBEWXdWC3KwqXQ2EWOGPhHWg J+GXdl06JeQ+bPxxPZns+pMsYqzw4ksTWRPZDV2Ikzlkv2AGrChz5XKAv2ITX8eGE71a4D3f0 aUf4t+TgaeXLE/pTklGNil6M4modEw7TZZIJOCOwECeRAw6Aq6SDPtIERgImHGs4DK13bo7JD ngYWpoddsxJMlY402SP2j31PKnalORW2ovtt+uKB/u0Mm4Cdo23rMMDpR3U= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:36:50 -0000 On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:06:35 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 12/12/17 12:01, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:30:26 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> On 12/11/17 05:58, Polytropon wrote: > >>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > >>>> On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: > >>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> > >>>> However, I'm confused. Upon reboot, the system checks to see if > >>>> file systems were properly dismounted and is supposed to do an > >>>> fsck. Since those don't show up in messages, I can't verify > >>>> this, but I'm pretty certain it must have thought it was clean, > >>>> which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain is the time > >>>> involved when run manually as you suggested). > >>> > >>> This is the primary reason for setting > >>> > >>> background_fsck="NO" > >> > >> Already had that set for just that reason. > >> > >>> in /etc/rc.conf - if you can afford a little downtime. The > >>> background fsck doesn't have all the repair capabilities a forced > >>> foreground check has, to it _might_ leave the file system in an > >>> inconsistent state, and the system runs with that unclean > >>> partition. > >>> > >>>> The file system in question was mounted below "/". Does the > >>>> system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? > >>> > >>> Yes, / is the first file system it checks. The two last fields in > >>> /etc/fstab control what fsck will check, and /etc/rc.conf allows > >>> additional flags for those automatic checks. > >> > >> The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it > >> (as I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of > >> the background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks > >> apparently didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted > >> in single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. > >> Unfortunately, the fsck output is not printed to the log, and I > >> logged in as root on the vt0 device, so it had scrolled off by the > >> time I went to look for it. A good reason never to log into the > >> vt0 device. Is there any way to get the "transient" boot-time fsck > >> and other messages recorded in the log? > > > > There is an easy explanation: > > > > The foregroud fsck at boot time can only handle a subset of damages. > > In some cases, you are required to perform a second run of fsck in > > order to fix problems. This is where a forced full fsck is very > > useful (usually in single-user mode). > > > > You can specify additional flags for boot-time fsck via /etc/rc.conf, > > which are: > > > > fsck_y_enable="NO" # Set to YES to do fsck -y if the initial > > preen fails. fsck_y_flags="" # Additional flags for fsck -y > > background_fsck="YES" # Attempt to run fsck in the background where > > possible. background_fsck_delay="60" # Time to wait (seconds) before > > starting the fsck. > > > > For example, fsck_y_flags="-f" would be such an addition. As you can > > see, an initial preen ("limited fsck") can fail, and the filesystem > > might be in an inconsistent state. This is probably what you've been > > experiencing. > > > > See "man fsck" for details. :-) > > My language skills must be degenerating along with everything else... :-( My language skills aren't better either. ;-) > I have already read and reread the fsck man page, but thanks for the > fsck_y_flags example. I'm fairly sure a normal boot fsck should > not have succeeded. I would have thought the same, but then I decided to consult the authoritative source: the source. If I read everything correctly (and there is sufficient doubt I do!), fsck will exit with 0 in case a re-run is required. This requirement is indicated by a text message ("please re-run fsck"), but ony the return code matters to /etc/rc's "next steps". So in /usr/src/sbin/fsck_ffs/main.c, we find a function called checkfilesys() returning int, but this is discarded with (void); the main() function returns an int called ret, it is initialized 0 and only set = 2 in case of "go to single user mode", declared in fsck.h, set in fsutil.c by catchquit(), which seems to be a signal handler... So my assumption could be correct that fsck "false-positively" returns 0, boot continues as normal (with mount -w), but the file system is still in an inconsistent state... > According to the handbook, 12.2.4, if an fsck fails it should drop into > single user. Definitely. This usually happens in case of severe errors where a repair attempt could do more damage. > However, when I manually > unmounted the file system, ran "fsck -f" (which corrected numerous errors), > then rebooted, everything was (not surprisingly) once again functioning > properly. That matches my assumption. As soon as the file system is in a consistent state again, things work as intended. > So I'm looking for, if possible: > > 1. An explanation for the above behavior, which seems inconsistent with > the documented and expected behavior. The only fsck flag set in rc.conf > is 'background_fsck="NO"'. Is there some state a disk (or something else, > such as a normal shutdown flag), can (however theoretically) be in, where > it is possible to have a corrupt disk that won't pass normal boot time > fsck in preen mode but will not be checked in the first place, even while > another disk, the one containing all the system files, is checked? I think we have at last an entry point for explanation now. :-) > 2. A way to get the output of boot-time fsck commands recorded in the > system log, so one can after the fact of a reboot check to see what the > heck went on in terms of the fsck sequence? This is usually the text mode console where you can press the Scroll Lock key and scroll up to view the message that is still in the text scroll buffer. As far as I know, /var/log/messages does not record fsck status messages. > On 12/12/17 11:54, Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Gary Aitken > > > wrote: > > > >> The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it (as > >> I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of the > >> background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks apparently > >> didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted in > >> single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. > > > > That happens if the preen fails. See the man page I pointed you to. > > There are cases where it can miss things. > > Are you saying if the preen fails, it mounts the file system normally > and continues to boot into multi-user? According to the man page for > fsck, a failure in preen mode will exit with failure, and the rc.d/fsck > script (by my incompetent reading) will do stop_boot in that case. See above: I think it really is the case... > > You can set: > > > > fsck_y_enable="YES" > > > > If you want it to handle a failed preen automatically. > > I don't want that; I want it to drop into single-user and let me do a > manual fsck. Very good choice. As I mentioned, a "fsck -fy" _might_ damage more than it does good, depending on the problem it tries to fix. In worst case, data recovery is easier with an unclean filesystem (with inodes partially intact) than with one that has been modified (inodes cleared, disconnected, or files set to zero length or zero bytes). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:23:17 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609A5E9DDA8; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:23:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onno.k@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE14D705AA; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:23:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onno.k@gmx.com) Received: from [37.48.82.100] ([37.48.82.100]) by 3c-app-mailcom-bs16.server.lan (via HTTP); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:23:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Onno K." To: Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? 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Though I believe this to be unrelated to the RPi, I cannot figure out how to capture audio with it. The RPi only has audio output and no input, so I am using a simple USB-dongle audio device that has both input and output. It is recognised as following by FreeBSD 12-CURRENT Nov 30 2017 snapshot: .. uaudio0 on uhub1 uaudio0: on usbus0 uaudio0: Play: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Play: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 48000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: Record: 44100 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. uaudio0: No MIDI sequencer. pcm0: on uaudio0 uaudio0: HID volume keys found. .. Looks good to me! Additionally, /dev/sndstat reveals: Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default No devices installed from userspace. A more verbose /dev/sndstat reads: # sysctl hw.snd.verbose=2 hw.snd.verbose: 0 -> 2 # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (64bit 2009061500/aarch64) Installed devices: pcm0: at ? kld snd_uaudio (1p:1v/1r:1v) default snddev flags=0x2e6 [pcm0:play:dsp0.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010, flags 0x00002100, 0x00000004 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:3072/1536/2|bs:4096/2048/2] channel flags=0x2100 {userland} -> feeder_mixer(0x00200010) -> {hardware} pcm0:play:dsp0.p0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x00100008, flags 0x10000000, 0x00000000 interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x10000000 {userland} -> feeder_root(0x00000000) -> {hardware} [pcm0:record:dsp0.r0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00100010, flags 0x00002100, 0x00000045 interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 1536, sfree 4096 [b:1536/768/2|bs:4096/2048/2] channel flags=0x2100 {hardware} -> feeder_root(0x00100010) -> feeder_matrix(1.0 -> 2.0) -> feeder_mixer(0x00200010) -> {userland} pcm0:record:dsp0.r0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vr0]: spd 8000, fmt 0x00100008, flags 0x10000000, 0x00000000 interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 0, sfree 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] channel flags=0x10000000 {hardware} -> feeder_root(0x00000000) -> {userland} No devices installed from userspace. On Linux platform, I had success with capturing audio using the same hardware using the 'aplay' and 'arecord' tools from the ALSA library. So the hardware works, on Linux, but not on FreeBSD. It appears not to detect the sound card: # aplay -l aplay: device_list:273: no soundcards found... # arecord -l arecord: device_list:273: no soundcards found... So at first glance, ALSA does not work (out of the box, after installing pkg) with FreeBSD. But 'alsamixer' does appear to work, since the volume buttons on the USB dongle would affect the sound level in alsamixer. Now my questions: -> Does ALSA even work in FreeBSD or is any configuration required to get it to work? -> How can one capture audio on FreeBSD? -> Any hints in general on how to proceed? Addendum: -> The handbook was not very useful to me. Nothing about capturing audio mentioned: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/sound-setup.html. -> I did read something about being able to use 'dd' to directly capture audio to a file. Any examples on such a command would be appreciated, as my simple 'dd if=/dev/dsp of=test.wav' did not work properly for me. Thanks for any help! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:33:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F97FE9E373; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5565F70AF6; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f143so3643752itb.0; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:33:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=38Fke/EiYT6rieSgkGtFfkaVhV47rYIoC0fX8Nmt7EI=; b=u17Ry+XfZA+OVj8N9Enqfd+1d5F31uxTC/M4mlsbYr2gRZgVMLl2OKUA8hDB345b8o EH3QKBzfPSVMSZGh0KLzveyw6twMYxTXDeg04YheXGtI11MGgdoFvCtcENQKuVjbebHR jx5GA2/XVXda62doST1NdmsHwMTrmMnoLYUG+Omo9Ve1HrknYFopB9WGjznZ40H4xQ42 vm7aaWbzYQHUukqMJp0TSS7IFCpJpIzA8oTBXH4yaE4cXZpYfz1RsLm1DskEed3HKyuT ee9S4wYAW1NuDgC3mAa5AeGB4GuFPeS6VDSDNsLyLSXLxFlg/FTS4pvguZduG+W2s9cB Ffgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=38Fke/EiYT6rieSgkGtFfkaVhV47rYIoC0fX8Nmt7EI=; b=DOKpbhpdvMaYlWi4ru5/cwxPch5+t4WYeS6JfRkXFEVgnG8sqm7Wx5Wnm/LwV8Vnj2 rx1DWjN9vnLsD5Fkw6TnsjhyZD9rcAxm6VIfBQtr81RTOW0JkxlWqKUgU0yZ7JxKbce6 gUXxnzl0vAH3D4Xgk6fvl7tgtz4lISxpVgaLCWu8VUJW8ZeFc/XNUkH4469mL1rx6LWN CCaKmcKa+13Uex91ibyLE1vlZ2jL/7bVsN9Or0w4zKLbZR3oBQ2EkvGxE2pvQNVvXDO/ Ox9bT7xNzdyEPu/5XuAOBTh1Tl+j+WOUyNyTa73cFYI+Y1YEfshprD7GgdSc05WCUhic wmUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKYAbZnKCX3nqLHoGeBquOet5jnvIm518gBjWAsFX+wep2Dg+74 rqR5D6mK5WjdzC5kZ2jk6KmTKUAPpRyRuN2cpr2lsQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovA3VTqACAtEYy2ue1BZQB4nFbhyVElcWitAPVOs5cZKTwXaq5NFsVmzhj1sZ1DybVjOxVSJoLK1d60i0dQtWw= X-Received: by 10.36.151.198 with SMTP id k189mr3055567ite.100.1513171988521; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:33:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:33:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:33:07 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? To: "Onno K." Cc: Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:33:09 -0000 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Onno K. wrote: > Dear list, > > I have got my Raspberry Pi 3 (ARM64) working with FreeBSD 12-CURRENT - > cool stuff! > > Though I believe this to be unrelated to the RPi, I cannot figure out how > to capture audio with it. The RPi only has audio output and no input, so I > am using a simple USB-dongle audio device that has both input and output. > It is recognised as following by FreeBSD 12-CURRENT Nov 30 2017 snapshot: > > > .. > uaudio0 on uhub1 > uaudio0: 1.10/1.00, addr 4> on usbus0 > uaudio0: Play: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. > uaudio0: Play: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. > uaudio0: Record: 48000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. > uaudio0: Record: 44100 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer. > uaudio0: No MIDI sequencer. > pcm0: on uaudio0 > uaudio0: HID volume keys found. > .. > > > Looks good to me! Additionally, /dev/sndstat reveals: > > > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) default > No devices installed from userspace. > > > A more verbose /dev/sndstat reads: > > > # sysctl hw.snd.verbose=2 > hw.snd.verbose: 0 -> 2 > # cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (64bit 2009061500/aarch64) > Installed devices: > pcm0: at ? kld snd_uaudio (1p:1v/1r:1v) default > snddev flags=0x2e6 REGISTERED,VPC> > [pcm0:play:dsp0.p0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010, flags 0x00002100, > 0x00000004 > interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 > [b:3072/1536/2|bs:4096/2048/2] > channel flags=0x2100 > {userland} -> feeder_mixer(0x00200010) -> {hardware} > pcm0:play:dsp0.p0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0]: spd 8000, fmt > 0x00100008, flags 0x10000000, 0x00000000 > interrupts 0, underruns 0, feed 0, ready 0 [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] > channel flags=0x10000000 > {userland} -> feeder_root(0x00000000) -> {hardware} > [pcm0:record:dsp0.r0]: spd 48000, fmt 0x00200010/0x00100010, flags > 0x00002100, 0x00000045 > interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 1536, sfree 4096 > [b:1536/768/2|bs:4096/2048/2] > channel flags=0x2100 > {hardware} -> feeder_root(0x00100010) -> feeder_matrix(1.0 -> 2.0) > -> feeder_mixer(0x00200010) -> {userland} > pcm0:record:dsp0.r0[pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vr0]: spd 8000, fmt > 0x00100008, flags 0x10000000, 0x00000000 > interrupts 0, overruns 0, feed 0, hfree 0, sfree 0 > [b:0/0/0|bs:0/0/0] > channel flags=0x10000000 > {hardware} -> feeder_root(0x00000000) -> {userland} > No devices installed from userspace. > > > On Linux platform, I had success with capturing audio using the same > hardware using the 'aplay' and 'arecord' tools from the ALSA library. So > the hardware works, on Linux, but not on FreeBSD. It appears not to detect > the sound card: > > > # aplay -l > aplay: device_list:273: no soundcards found... > # arecord -l > arecord: device_list:273: no soundcards found... > > > So at first glance, ALSA does not work (out of the box, after installing > pkg) with FreeBSD. But 'alsamixer' does appear to work, since the volume > buttons on the USB dongle would affect the sound level in alsamixer. > > Now my questions: > -> Does ALSA even work in FreeBSD or is any configuration required to get > it to work? > -> How can one capture audio on FreeBSD? > -> Any hints in general on how to proceed? > > Addendum: > -> The handbook was not very useful to me. Nothing about capturing audio > mentioned: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/sound-setup.html. > -> I did read something about being able to use 'dd' to directly capture > audio to a file. Any examples on such a command would be appreciated, as my > simple 'dd if=/dev/dsp of=test.wav' did not work properly for me. > > Thanks for any help! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-multimedia > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-multimedia- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Try this, install audio/oss from ports then use ossrecord app to record from the detected audio recording device. on my device running ossinfo returns this: ossinfo Version info: FreeBSD native OSS ABI 1200054 (0x00040000) BSD Platform: FreeBSD/amd64 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r326056: Tue Nov 21 14:54:55 UTC 2017 root@releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC (blubee) Number of audio devices: 10 Number of audio engines: 10 Number of MIDI devices: 0 Number of mixer devices: 3 Device objects 0: pcm0 Realtek ALC899 (Analog) on hdaa0 1: pcm1 Realtek ALC899 (Rear Analog Line-out) on hdaa0 2: pcm2 Realtek ALC899 (Rear Digital) on hdaa0 MIDI devices (/dev/midi*) Mixer devices 0: pcm0:mixer (Mixer 0 of device object 0) 1: pcm1:mixer (Mixer 0 of device object 1) 2: pcm2:mixer (Mixer 0 of device object 2) Audio devices pcm0:play:dsp0.p0 /dev/dsp0.p0 (device index 0) pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp0 /dev/dsp0.vp0 (device index 1) pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp1 /dev/dsp0.vp1 (device index 2) pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vp2 /dev/dsp0.vp2 (device index 3) pcm0:record:dsp0.r0 /dev/dsp0.r0 (device index 4) pcm0:virtual:dsp0.vr0 /dev/dsp0.vr0 (device index 5) pcm1:play:dsp1.p0 /dev/dsp1.p0 (device index 6) pcm1:virtual:dsp1.vp0 /dev/dsp1.vp0 (device index 7) pcm2:play:dsp2.p0 /dev/dsp2.p0 (device index 8) pcm2:virtual:dsp2.vp0 /dev/dsp2.vp0 (device index 9) give that a shot and report back. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:50:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CC2E9EA7B; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: from mail.bsd4all.net (mail.bsd4all.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:191:217b::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.bsd4all.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 790B4713D2; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from herbert@gojira.at) Received: by mail.bsd4all.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3yxdPB74SyzS6N; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:50:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:50:22 +0100 From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: blubee blubeeme Cc: "Onno K." , Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20171213135022.GA97930@mail.bsd4all.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:50:30 -0000 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 09:33:07PM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > Try this, install audio/oss from ports This port is ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 i386 -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:52:32 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0557E9ED1F; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 659F5717B5; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id r13so2878029iod.2; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:52:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XnMEVFe5aMmLBDEhYZ99wm2p2e13xKPXRBXvwrQVO+8=; b=X53gRZXksIdwJApuUwQjRJQb+sWVTCAs3uHah929Ib6pJwDJT7TJShWXA+pkj9FVQ6 PoqQaaf2Nor9jK8rJc76ksohCdL7diuHv/T3e0nUyXQOLj0aIxVsD/7aNiyWPrU4b3Qs f5/8DRVrCGFkZ1p5bj//dH4y4EQjHf8HiAAAUmshMNI1TTMnkKugVAQABr7yVQ3nPNBU NhEC8mFZQ1xfD71XPCOjS1a7wMm5LSkW4XRTokz5c/8X2/r4XiZEnZjhW5zgGkYEOPUD +KmdjxxzyRbwD+6F+gjM5wZCIy7UhVVZ5r//CMsIkHssu3LSGdANdCIiaH0gfaav9NJ1 Mf8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XnMEVFe5aMmLBDEhYZ99wm2p2e13xKPXRBXvwrQVO+8=; b=qVWOCqnn0rtBkMaY+G0ey1fLw+KhjuMH/IRvJfr/FQqDfmAdgPgt4+yFdMLq9yKLGz CqogK/1V5dy2Dmatp/8Qo1VlBf1bjEP7LZF1xEYfBTSfhkBe7kPC1zD2JHiIwiKOoBSQ lCvuGO71dI6q0VzvQ3w0zEJJFGodeq5WF5B+VV1vJ8dSNaXaj0Wpn7Y63UNDG5hiVmH5 Q0jnK2PHCIclTtWpfYblj0jtx03LSNo6j0k8lAGujI/XIOG9AwSlgJ+13nVqascLHi1P MR16GbItpK9x29Zw7qJVi6X8DgaTy+i4ujQhCOSbvLavCxt6w08VEBWFSpy7uHMkHC9m JYgw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLlDaK7U3+nD9T4MAWuocs6zbtZjNrZVMhdf4uPMYxlnsOK7MaY 95hsTilGJob4AXHIwSJJZj/o2h1oxTzTzH/zMOE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotqx7z0qOBjyLWdBSAGkpMXVyJJPx7unZipEbyyu97w9tOrhuDpqoRX65+Ln/RagZDQEZ872MOwTOFh4yh/gVc= X-Received: by 10.107.162.131 with SMTP id l125mr3214408ioe.153.1513173151703; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:52:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:52:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171213135022.GA97930@mail.bsd4all.net> References: <20171213135022.GA97930@mail.bsd4all.net> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:52:31 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" Cc: "Onno K." , Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:52:32 -0000 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 09:33:07PM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > Try this, install audio/oss from ports > > This port is ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 i386 > > -- > Herbert > @Herbert Thanks for the heads up. @Onno I am not sure, maybe others can be more assistance. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:53:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F645E9EE73 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C2D7191D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39890356; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:49:03 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDDrk6K006689; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:53:48 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBDDrhAo006688; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:53:43 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:53:43 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Matthias Apitz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-ID: <20171213135343.GA6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171212070313.GD72523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171212071935.GA18626@c720-r314251> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171212071935.GA18626@c720-r314251> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:53:54 -0000 Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Just my own opinion; however, I do not consider synth, unlike poudriere, to be bloated. > > > > > > > > I don't even consider poudriere bloated. It is neat, does not require > > > > weird dependencies or GUI libs, stores its configuration in text > > > > files, uses the standard ports and jail infrastructure. Why would > > > > anyone call it bloated? > > > > > > Not exactly bloated, but it could be considered "overhead" > > > just to build one or two ports. > > > > It's not meant for that. I use it for what it was meant: a local > > repository (you can even look at it at http://svn.sibptus.ru/) from > > where I install packages to a dozen FreeBSD hosts, with the options I > > need. > > I'm building around ~2000 ports of HEAD as a local repo to be installed > on my farm of laptops and netbooks (~8 devices). How long does it take you to build those 2000 ports? Or better still, what Pkg/Hour ratio does your poudriere show? Mine is like 50-150 Pkg/Hour, depending on the necessity of building webkit*, llvm* and some other hogs. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:54:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125E8E9EEE1; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90EB2719C3; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id r13so2884199iod.2; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:54:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CNQA7ENhZSjk+Xj5z2ehhtn/mfaz9pwe5erDhsUw4Ls=; b=PHnd0KDc2HTiL9AzwCj+F/PlGue3ztx0VJacGieMFPMk7GbH7MRTSQhVQc/PJ/+Nx7 fTMwZEL/z14OIBn34arfM40MwwnVq93H4ERfuRCRyhQ+srzx0rQGWZOaAXWmZFd40Ltf UbUU/562Gb8WtWS6kBL3LndWkaKipfgSakbECQm8RdxcZU73Pkp3OI2wO4hN9o+fauKY LFhTs88uL7IILFZ2ve0K3P2Lf7QsDHS2u7gchf36P6kcToV6DOzPKfxoOWHkIJBi1jJo Jm8LIm5N0X85zpruXuhCDD3oqEGoF0g0BjGr5aJHZS9jfcuyQk82c+WzLjXtI2lk6UrT v9AA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CNQA7ENhZSjk+Xj5z2ehhtn/mfaz9pwe5erDhsUw4Ls=; b=YV2GoTQw4GpYXaohPEpyDAGJDu3vJmKOU2dB3gqKgw+a+IroN+2X6hvFF17fGdt/YS fqvuSsAD4v1nHhHOvGpHU3xwH8xjqjan9q3S0P/p9ScY08KCvHR4b6SQxjE4P5kaNpT7 mjxKJpvIswxN++aWXHkWr7em77K3ANqaDiZ/fUYblxQoTV1WtXLS8FV3mnw1rWxWzFtW 0lSzipmHBr+Xf121ehYRI5lXcvHd5vLH5hIFMwd1dVk/cHP6U3Z3v9hMIbLPgKwRAASP AL8w3K+0M81kJ3owZYc2X6QpKzdJq7+mt1gEI2H91cUiVL1SYroZr7eOcI+X0f5eAnAt TBeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ2N5adxw2VS5z8ibJz3rabTrxkgU9jrTbDx9g8x9/NdjhwyzlH rco/tXjbf5rah8ZQOaxRDuR9ELu8vp1BcyxAG2Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosYKel48aK3+sArEsOdNB2QFKv0EIzK0GtNVhtR5S/joZWJzX9gR/BixHsO5qqojNbFZXYzq2FJ5vJD+pALFV0= X-Received: by 10.107.85.5 with SMTP id j5mr2916078iob.296.1513173265883; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:54:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.31 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 05:54:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20171213135022.GA97930@mail.bsd4all.net> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:54:25 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? To: "Herbert J. Skuhra" Cc: "Onno K." , Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:54:27 -0000 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:52 PM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 09:33:07PM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: >> >> > Try this, install audio/oss from ports >> >> This port is ONLY_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 i386 >> >> -- >> Herbert >> > @Herbert > > Thanks for the heads up. > > @Onno > I am not sure, maybe others can be more assistance. > This bring a question to mind, why wouldn't OSS work on ARM....? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:57:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E01E9F0F7; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB40271B88; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39890361; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:52:10 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDDuvgv006732; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:56:57 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBDDuuvr006731; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:56:56 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:56:56 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: blubee blubeeme Cc: "Onno K." , Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20171213135656.GB6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:57:00 -0000 blubee blubeeme wrote: > > Try this, install audio/oss from ports > then use ossrecord app to record from the detected audio recording device. Since when is it not possible to record with "cat /dev/dsp > file.wav" like in old hardcore Unixes? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 13:58:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8464E9F218 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2133571CB9 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39890363 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:53:14 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDDw1MM006747 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:58:01 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBDDw18D006746 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:58:01 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:58:01 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A thin (SPV) bitcoin client? Message-ID: <20171213135801.GC6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171206161536.GA46250@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171207090120.GA66241@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171207090120.GA66241@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:58:04 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > Do you know of a thin (SPV) bitcoin client implementation I could use > > under FreeBSD? > > > > Now I've installed the net-p2p/bitcoin (bitcoin-qt) client but the > > complete blockchain is too heavy a burden for my desktop PC. > > > > At the very least, a command line utility to generate bitcoin > addresses (and corresponding private keys)? https://github.com/grondilu/bitcoin-bash-tools/blob/master/bitcoin.sh may be useful to somebody. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 14:05:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F49E9F54D; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onno.k@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C51CF720D7; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from onno.k@gmx.com) Received: from [37.48.82.99] ([37.48.82.99]) by 3c-app-mailcom-bs02.server.lan (via HTTP); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:04:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Onno K." To: "Victor Sudakov" Cc: Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:04:56 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20171213135656.GB6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171213135656.GB6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:C1QtQ8hGErshR7gLanPNG4BZVlwH++ZT+He5oDqTNbH 1Hg9lFfJYLM2zeaUQl6XHXegsgaxhwpTABPmgfue7BflRYs0Rp Vg5Vs0FAqvr+hmKJfVZJkeYvIvD2hJj1gPFlllMpD/JriM917i 7NiaIWfaQSblVNGVcdr335CgzdVIacfz0ZOTkj6JYG3YsinP7a folcdfcJSinZGGHWP0oR5TxnhPzs9FFx1c9PqLGt2ZVT6XzL9D ZstU2d+KaaEubgK4V2eAdskcO9RBZnp0a4VVMdD8O0td9iOciq SlKNGw= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:I5iv8KAKKcA=:8/ZFovfuDvVuGZZa0o7GJ9 mWzqdEtCjQyFggi6JK8IjChVN/TmcNIFOTBz6y2qO9QfWrVpMCHNkyENfQcCEK10XpUuj6i0I RmCb9JOrrJtNUwcLY722VhVO0UFY8fxhLCTm682WQYdsSMAPj34Fd0IUpU8v4LuJ2G0+9fJl0 iWNkv/7Bxcb/LcwqIIDIrWkL5rTb8HCuroB8dW94eCwGYBut8W8IMyPm+mfkC75F6KarzHdMO 1k5hJRfkn25PCk6h++Ql9J0PmwYlzDeN+RszBwwz3woOF+YSbBZlfuF9W2GWKWR+jqN7gJa2+ tZgXIRE7QCl+UHBMZhGccWu6/SIkvAlT2CffNmLqtGtZ4jW1Uz5EHCCmNUPOpxZpz8uERkoyK KMjDB1ZT/C91oaAaz0KpmJyNHtscwYGqzJF//jcqKKI4P4B1sJbf7u3RN328ncwok8BFLQngs y3wT0Hh9I74INtlgP55VDXChqt+7vGUaMVmRWHv7jdagwp6UOpUI X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:05:06 -0000 > Since when is it not possible to record with > "cat /dev/dsp > file.wav" like in old hardcore Unixes? I have tried this, but the resulting file.wav is only 0 bytes after several seconds. So this does not appear to work either. Control-T reveals the process is stuck in 'pcmrdv' state. I am also curious how it works with multiple input devices; does BSD know what device to point to when accessing /dev/dsp? Thanks for everyone trying to help! - Onno From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 14:08:05 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E888E9F6DD for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AF4B72231 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1513174086; x=1515766086; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M6Iwt7mn1T3Cqp7kANzQ5U68wf4ymGMbrnhl7nq3LEk=; b=SVa35tzJ6jJaWIgKoP6CD6Z2i17TKaR7TZZNIm8ipOSzfYIeHA8L+u7AzfcwuVO1aUFOlvIPjxuQBmvb1E8ZOe6VNRYqajn2YJdT3E41EuNBNr+uG5xR2bEu/Ac+r0Jr2y0udpREYBf71mmVRTda85Pe7bKRrRpa1tapruRML+w= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44MTAwMDAwMDg0MmNhZS5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.85.171.149]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:07:54 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-east.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 09:07:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1eP7hO-000OP9-U1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:07:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:07:50 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? Message-Id: <20171213140750.123cbd4a1a519c31cc8ff63b@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20171213135656.GB6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171213135656.GB6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:08:05 -0000 On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:56:56 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > > Try this, install audio/oss from ports > > then use ossrecord app to record from the detected audio recording > > device. > > Since when is it not possible to record with > "cat /dev/dsp > file.wav" like in old hardcore Unixes? I believe this is still possible, but there's no control over format. My usual approach to sound capture is to install sox and use the rec command it provides. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 14:16:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA21FE9FB44; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:16:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BDA7276D; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:16:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 39890376; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:11:51 +0600 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDEGZHf006929; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:16:37 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBDEGWt4006926; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:16:32 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:16:32 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Onno K." Cc: Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20171213141631.GD6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20171213135656.GB6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:16:41 -0000 Onno K. wrote: > > Since when is it not possible to record with > > "cat /dev/dsp > file.wav" like in old hardcore Unixes? > > > I have tried this, but the resulting file.wav is only 0 bytes after > several seconds. So this does not appear to work either. Control-T > reveals the process is stuck in 'pcmrdv' state. So I wonder when it got broken. > > I am also curious how it works with multiple input devices; does BSD > know what device to point to when accessing /dev/dsp? > AFAIK /dev/dsp is the default device according to sysctl hw.snd.default_unit, but you can always use /dev/dsp0, /dev/dsp1 etc. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 14:17:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B84E9FC68; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3DF272896; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbeich@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1354) id E3BFB3D8D; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:17:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Jan Beich To: "Onno K." Cc: Freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to capture audio with FreeBSD? References: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:17:33 +0100 Message-ID: <374e-af0i-wny@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:17:43 -0000 "Onno K." writes: > # aplay -l > aplay: device_list:273: no soundcards found... > # arecord -l > arecord: device_list:273: no soundcards found... ALSA on FreeBSD doesn't support direct hardware access, it uses plugins such as OSS, Jack, PulseAudio. Try instead: $ pkg install ffmpeg $ ffmpeg -f oss -i /dev/dsp foo.wav $ ffmpeg -i foo.wav -f oss /dev/dsp From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 14:49:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86F7EA0A16 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:49:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) Received: from relay-b01.edpnet.be (relay-b01.edpnet.be [212.71.1.221]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "edpnet.email", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 592B373B73 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:49:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julien@perdition.city) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1513175824-0a7ff51b37b823e0001-jLrpzn Received: from mordor.lan (77.109.96.175.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [77.109.96.175]) by relay-b01.edpnet.be with ESMTP id My9NrKlC8NR77WCX (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:37:05 +0100 (CET) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: julien@perdition.city X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: 77.109.96.175.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net[77.109.96.175] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 77.109.96.175 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:37:04 +0100 From: Julien Cigar To: fml Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue Message-ID: <20171213143703.GR72179@mordor.lan> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171212192006.GA5968@avalon.thwn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="brdEIFGMNIjz5YJG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171212192006.GA5968@avalon.thwn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.2 (2017-04-18) X-Barracuda-Connect: 77.109.96.175.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net[77.109.96.175] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1513175824 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 X-Barracuda-URL: https://212.71.1.221:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at edpnet.be X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 1252 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.5023 1.0000 0.7500 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.75 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.75 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.45833 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:49:27 -0000 --brdEIFGMNIjz5YJG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 08:20:06PM +0100, fml wrote: > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:09:52PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: > > > This NET4501 is equipped with just 64MB of RAM: I built a custom kern= el > > > without the unnecessary devices and options, even without SMP and ACP= I, > > > > >=20 > > A guess is that something(s) you deem unnecessary are in fact necessary= for > > successful boot. > >=20 > Kernel is GENERIC + CPU_ELAN and soekris stuff. I _also_ tested a > smaller kernel to save some bit of memory, but it failed as well. I don't know about the 4501 but on a 6501 you need MPTABLE and ATPIC as well.. If it could help I wrote an article some years ago: http://slug.uni.cx/blog/freebsd-soekris-6501.html >=20 > Thanks, > f. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=20 Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform (http://www.biodiversity.be) PGP fingerprint: EEF9 F697 4B68 D275 7B11 6A25 B2BB 3710 A204 23C0 No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. --brdEIFGMNIjz5YJG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEE7vn2l0to0nV7EWolsrs3EKIEI8AFAloxOw8ACgkQsrs3EKIE I8CbDhAAjuJeUzfGZOJtaLQUkDYNqE3jtR6C3rdDqOFP0nkUemvrUBPeI3zNHPiO F20XC//pF2qU5saDSAqSjZ8rY8TWuRx5F/i2gc3uIOYapPIhKl+ybBqyXnO+RkiE WIBo8ghpVK5bNapL14z6ZU9WTD49R3e44GHW7ERR3jT+Zjb7cix1EyyUDcwthxWx rZUcnCDZqJejRHEUzx5jmSc9TFSFzZ+c+TOZbcR3znWLp5KzgWO0DJuMfYKTDPXa Fkc/fR6WJt3oe4pLhcQxHzLcKeCS4nlSmxQtozuU95hKY4Zre6CaJL2VligJu6RL jH8joM8IDI6ATde5pgZ64GfK8wMj3oqyP79tUmDbpXgACF2S3wM2ELq3A7mY51gx plG7Y80JDNnYA4h5YzR/43HIMpLTgpoY0OWriBXCltvexZgZ5Uo5p38F1w2YblqB YN6Rd8I4lSoKdEY5K6BSJDv6zKJHWZtmfo/g1b9AnjtcARBc7xeJ4XZGlaGbJvrq mf3oNuZqxMGEC5UsG0wklvtFgMySZHp7dpVPxJe34iGs6vo7fuNgPNcyYAIlHOLp MoinNvmZgrF5a2mi9iHD+MYuzq6KJcpVTDW+f6YaJC+o5F+gmJ3PyoQGGrx3+e5D cqWL1k5AK6/knRTAO30RnnuNa1IkdaI3mEeGh4zj7oD3HKFAUUY= =5/gm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --brdEIFGMNIjz5YJG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 15:54:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7EDEA22CA for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D7775D7D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBDFs23q081401 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (saphire3.sentex.ca [192.168.43.26]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDFs1WC079914; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue To: fml , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:54:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:54:04 -0000 On 12/12/2017 1:52 PM, fml wrote: > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE. ACB: ef 03 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 0c 00 > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 04 (ABRT ) > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Retrying command > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MODE. ACB: ef 03 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 0c 00 > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: ATA Status Error > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): ATA status: 51 (DRDY SERV ERR), error: 04 (ABRT ) > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]... > mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada0s1a... > > Does anyone have suggestions, please? > Thanks, Its been a LONG time since I booted one of these, but I seem to recall it was quite particular about setting how the disk was accessed. I recall having to set something in /boot/loader.conf. Maybe the sata version ? dma mode ? ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 16:14:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D450EA2BD5 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:14:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1FD876CC9 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.109.249] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eP9g7-0000VQ-Jy; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:14:39 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id vBDGEclO004753 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id vBDGEcBp004752; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:14:38 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-ID: <20171213161438.GA4665@c720-r314251> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: Matthias Apitz , Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209160730.GA3370@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171209195258.d4727a94.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171212070313.GD72523@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20171212071935.GA18626@c720-r314251> <20171213135343.GA6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171213135343.GA6560@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! Please send only plain text. User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 88.217.109.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:14:50 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El d=C3=ADa mi=C3=A9rcoles, diciembre 13, 2017 a las 08:53:43p. m. +0700, V= ictor Sudakov escribi=C3=B3: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >=20 > > I'm building around ~2000 ports of HEAD as a local repo to be installed > > on my farm of laptops and netbooks (~8 devices). >=20 > How long does it take you to build those 2000 ports? Or better still, > what Pkg/Hour ratio does your poudriere show? >=20 > Mine is like 50-150 Pkg/Hour, depending on the necessity of building > webkit*, llvm* and some other hogs. It's about ~100 per hour. The device has 8 cores, 16 GB RAM and I'm using zfs. But, I stop it over night, why? :-) The most hickups are due to fetch failures when the distfile is not where it should and must be googl'ed, around 10-15 cases in the 2000 ports. matthias --=20 Matthias Apitz, =E2=9C=89 guru@unixarea.de, =E2=8C=82 http://www.unixarea.d= e/ =F0=9F=93=B1 +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEXmn7rBYYViyzy/vBR8z35Hb+nREFAloxUecACgkQR8z35Hb+ nRF6RQ/6AvWwxWycLBKZB439ogkgCdYFuM/JGYPdTwcyIl8r9b4q6PjKRo1Cjtrb IIYQxMnIBvBEpHUEV6I0bfYr3IjM0Y7/Sd8Zjn0G+Pw+JoOtqQeamq67XL/5humu ExZit3Z87pWQjK6R5nMdgLjRaqCOzco4+vQq4VxbriCccHVg7t3W0Gzc6mPcQdPM KMFo3G8xXwzMWnwMkIbNkYI2Ha8bEE8s7FHcyVk5129saOUmI7c4BrIRT/pBx8bx CkELeZPDob02uSeQFMa1J1Gtm2RfBRNXu25j0/Cs6uUprtdGFP4yCeqA6eximx3Y oVET/IJlrFOVpOA+pT8YxoFL+qZOTKZ/vmHZlT3u4sqjBxm119Rswk4M5PFPQIio tYAUgLFOCCxGtZHZ9ClG2y3RnYQxXyVolcuede9zJxVKBxFz2Mpu3mJL5Y7qMfCk xIcDzbIaJC/VdYhNH8fjLWntKTJxm9520z8OZsnDovyDcoUW5s2b7ktJsrVtDqBu BLE6wY7K3BGYHa9JJ817YqQqjHSu3cFDBnDcSXiJNPD1w8eOi4IsHlqA2+Q2chqO z3jYTNACIArLoRMlPuZMncU1ACI/AZq74PZLGFi9Gr7d6T27B3UI5JcuOSgfiY+y i9/uKOdifNxoOZ7zbnf3PUQgp++JAoaZ94zst3b4GsidtWcYu60= =TLM9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 17:00:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7874EA3D11 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 521B978C42 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lzs5j-1f37Xx05zP-0155Zb; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:54:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:54:53 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Baho Utot Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here Message-Id: <20171213175453.1723adc5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:BKuS4dsRI5O3re0AEydQW9JzY0rpZxMcj/yZip6505//P0smgwQ 6D7n71zW3HNVbAY5usu7Epls2OMZwQSDDIVldFeiU9r7RB23/RzTxIbbxsAdJkJOwmafbHS LxSn1WgmhWsrYZAqUJxrlbpMR9p4G4NC3xFFCt3oaz1zP5KrcdMXEeIM11h3lPU8j+VPV/q cevuFlJ/X7Un2GzBsu+zw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Z+DtChic8XA=:lgaqYNLvpFHcrN6wn9Rql+ mg35pNecR3HKOtVppQ/EpbiuLX11w9eWKZx3P8ZW/v7eLHed7t0gtes7sj9MZjmahOgI88Aun YV+NZNHyEhFC4/HUemD/9/0QNTcOChbYSeHUG5BLFPCDuF40qD8/yzveWkjkMgX4mJbPp7oN9 zGO/c34f/tZTF79NVYuLVOVlPJlVVMq4Pd2lTzw5r3ehBMQjmdaGRAKUAskX6zI0oiYmKDjjP fh+oafK7hocl6k/f8UAw0GpqZjX3ceLMcQ+QKV+fLZHjDKxklyChdSx3G9BfBMVd9e1Rt5oyP xdf5A6HpbOuNkfPMqILeZY6jYRrbg4i46Ue+N4QmAdax6hoh3sCvd5xrbjoO9M7F5XJ3+AxqJ a8yce/YqE7FPxM2ecVJaZ3ZASSdcWamdKHawCCX/zlIDSq+n8u+6YKhe+Pw1t57WX+WsFOvoi gF/i7eL8cnFp+FWxxDJMGILoeaP4Gsyjwu97xexcsA3uVo/PFKOsrSy2VpqjBuhD82lTk8Lzx a+qhrfG6Tnp9csKRxOMfWsqAX1BFcmKgP0EHYOWrr9GDZATAAiiCXfoGCEXYATZjrSKEu94oz pgGNziSrXM6QvEqTH/tDRMG+0BZzo6vhTDvsLTWS8PdG/hCSJU7DfEkelHS2Ktbal8gRBusBI 5Z+A9G9+v3NcKd6faQewblCsSeU3JGlGKsEf2TXd8AQyPJXr0uWK3eyTEalQEzG3BjfdE4OXE UBhv2w5Pg53EzJ05ADQjPdzkzxMbQpYn7n+0yqCeEZ3s5tot3bPr0XAXWAo= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:00:19 -0000 On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:01:41 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: > On 12/9/2017 2:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > [...] > >> Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, becau= se > >> this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable > >> work load just to make it function. > > THis is in fact a big deal - but usually this list is very > > helpful if you're willing to "do your homework". > > > Helpful as in what I asked how do you boot yo a zfs raid array?=A0 The=20 > answer but using the BIOS menu to boot it.=A0 Thjat is just not acceptabl= e. Things as complex as ZFS RAID have more than one solution, usually depending on the specific hardware and software combination you are using. > Asked how well does grub2 work and how does one install it. answer=20 > crikets.=A0 searchging the web produces info from 2009 and earlier, that= =20 > dog don't hunt. In the context of dual-booting FreeBSD / Linux, Grub2 has come up a few times at least on _this_ list, if I remember correctly. Check if the mailing list archive can help. How to install Grub2 is a question that the documentation of Grub2 should provide. ;-) > >> Some of the issues: > >> > >> Lack of direction. > >> > >> No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't boo= t, > >> so dig out the USB drive > > That exactly is the situation on Linux, where even the kernel > > is just a package. FreeBSD has a strong barrier between the > > operating system and 3rd party applications (that come from > > the ports collection). Even with damaged ports (or with _no_ > > ports), the system will still boot. Sure, certain additional > > services might not be started, but that's not a problem for > > the OS. In worst case, /usr/local is removed altogether, its > > structure rebuilt from the /etc/mtree/ file, pkg gets boot- > > strapped - and you're ready to install new ports cleanly. > > The OS does not care. > Not really I have built scratch built linux versions for 10 years and=20 > have less than 10% of the problems I have had with FreeBSD. Never _personally_ suffered from it, but I had to help several fellow sysadmins dealing with "the upgrade ate my system" kind of trouble. So this definitely happens. And we're talking about a massive _system_ problem, not just some random application coredumping or just printing error messages after an upgrade. However, the wise choice of the Linux distribution has big effects on what kind of errors you get, and how many, and how often. Recovery plans, backups, failover systems and so on can also be very useful, just in case. So if your boss tells you to install a crappy desktop Linux on a server, doesn't allow backups ("Disks are expensive!"), and urges you to do updates at 10 a.m. so he can "observe" you... well... you know what you'll get. :-) > > However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will > > handle this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for > > installing and upgrading OS files in the future, so there > > will not be the big difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg > > update" / "pkg upgrade". >=20 > I suspect it will kill systems with a ge=3Dreat deal of regulaity At the current development stage, this could be possible. But I think when the packaged base will be the default, it should work _at least_ as good as the current method (freebsd-update). From the wiki page, you can see that there is still work to do, so it's clearly optional at this point. > >> source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. > > Only tested and verified changes will be in RELEASE. Then > > there is STABLE, which only contains additional components > > that will be in the next RELEASE. From here, security patches > > will be "extracted", so they can be applied to RELEASE. And > > finally, there's CURRENT or HEAD. This is where development > > takes place. A feature might be added, and the build from > > source breaks. A few hours later, ir builds again, but the > > result makes the system crash upon reboot. Next day, the > > added feature is entirely gone. This is fully acceptable > > for the HEAD branch. >=20 > I have used all of the different base repos,=A0 none of them are what I=20 > would call stable.=A0 I can not count on a release or version to work out= =20 > of the box,=A0 some did most did not or only with a struggle. I have no idea what you're doing, but it seems that you are either doing something wrong (I don't assume you do), or you're doing something too different, non-standard, discouraged. I'm using FreeBSD since 4.0 and never got the kind of problems you are describing - but that just says I'm doing things obviously different than you. No insult. Actually, I have both systems that were "never" updated (still running) and those that receive regular updates (still running as well). > > Common consensus is to use RELEASE and the security patches. > > This can be done with freebsd-update easily. For those who > > wish to experiment with bleeding-edge software, STABLE is > > the right choice, but it requires building from source. > > And those who are applying experimental (!) changes, for > > example kernel and OS developers, or testers, use HEAD, > > fully aware of what I mentioned before. >=20 > I've heard that bedtime story all too many times. It seems to be reality for the majority of FreeBSD users, and it is consistent with the descriptions of the development cycle of FreeBSD. > >> ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly > >> and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all > >> and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? > > You are mixing ports and OS. The ports tree (and the > > corresponding repository) can be reset at RELEASE, you > > can choose a quarterly updated branch (often used in > > combination with a RELEASE-pX system), or you can keep > > your ports tree as current as possible. You can use tools > > like portsnap (snapshots) or svn (tracking), or just use > > the ports tree that came with your RELEASE install - it > > depends on what kind of software (versions) you intend to > > run. Always (!) choose your tools depending on the task. > > There is no "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow". ;-) > > > I mixed no ports,=A0 you see I created meta-ports to install a standard=20 > set of packages and when changing port repos removed all the packages=20 > and rm -rf /usr/local, then built and installed the meta-port package. Maybe you misunderstood: "Mixing ports and OS" refers to confusing OS updates with ports updates (and OS installation with ports installation for that matter) - compare it to Linux where you don't have something like "the OS" per se, instead it's a selection of individual packages made by the distribution maintainers about what they consider the core functionality of their distribution. Meta-ports are just an abstraction of ports ("ports that contain, or better, require other ports"), nothing wrong here. They have nothing to do with the OS and its version (RELEASE, STABLE, HEAD), except you have a specific requirement that for example RELEASE doesn't fulfill (yet), but STABLE already does. > >> Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a > >> clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. > > Nothing wrong with building packages as root (if you use > > the /usr/ports tree manually). For _installing_ packages, > > you'll need root permissions anyway, or do you wish Hinz & Kunz > > to be able to install arbitrary software on your system, with > > an ugly surprise for you later? ;-) >=20 > There is every thing wrong with building packages as root.=A0 On my=20 > scratch built systems you build all the packages as a user.=A0 You only=20 > need to run the package manager as root to install them as any sane=20 > admin should know. I think you don't see the whole picture here. A port usually defines dependencies. Those are runtime dependencies and build dependencies. If a build dependency is encountered, for example a specific compiler, this needs to be installed first, which of course requires root level access (as the installation will go to the /usr/local subtree in order to be usable). Of course just compiling stuff is possible from a regular user account (given that working directories and maybe a staging area can be written to). It would _maybe_ (!) be possible to temporarily install build dependencies (as mentioned above) into such a location as long as root level access isn't needed for execution. > >> You > >> should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to > >> tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". > > Keep in mind that FreeBSD is (among others) a multi-user system, > > and that's why even on a PC you have a regular user and a root > > user. The non-root user can damaga his own $HOME as he likes, > > but should he be allowed to damage the whole system? Maybe for > > other users to suffer? No, that's the wrong approach. >=20 > Linux is not multi user?=A0 I beg to differ I didn't say it wasn't. Don't read things I didn't write. :-) > > On Linux, "wget http://app.example.com | sudo bash" has become > > quite common. Do you think this is a good idea? Please read the > > command line, more than once, and look at each individual part. > > You'll find at least 5 things that are wrong... ;-) > > > > You _can_ install software locally (i. e., local to your user > > account), this is possible, but it often creates more problems > > than it solves. However, if you know what you're doing, there > > is nothing wrong with it. > > >=20 > This has nothing to do with installing software to your home directory. The key is that being a regular user usually restricts you to your $HOME and a few other locations, so in worst case, if you install some arbitrary crap given the command illustrated above, all your data is encrypted, deleted, or whatever. But the system cannot be harmed. The "| sudo bash" is the real danger, especially when it's conveniently set up to not ask for a password (and be accessible this way from _all_ user accounts). > You have proved my point that FreeBSD users/admins etc do not understand= =20 > at all what I am trying to say. That might be possible. I can only speak for myself. Keep in mind English is not my native language. > Hell they won't even attempt to have a conversion about it let alone a=20 > thought. This is generally a bad attitude. Still polite language and good knowledge of terminology and design (of OS, of filesystem, of ports infrastructure, etc.) are an important aspect to show. > >> no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants > >> to listen to alternatives. > > This is something still in development (and with potential of > > improvement). If implemented in a reliable and secure manner, > > it will probably be a positive thing. But only time will tell. > > >=20 > Well it WAS promised for release 11.0. Yes, I read that. But would you like to have something becoming mandatory which doesn't really work as expected? Just think about the sc -> vt trouble! :-) > Isn't 11.0 on EOL? >From the release information https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ it seems... yes. A few days ago (2017-11-30, today is 2017-12-13). > The whole=20 > process that is currently being used to package base in not sound.=A0=20 > Again no one wanted to listen to different ways to go about packaging=20 > base.=A0 I was going to do that but the amount of work for me to do that= =20 > on my own was greater than if I just go back to my scratch built=20 > systems..=A0 Which would YOU do? As long as you don't _need_ a packaged base, stay with what works for you. And if FreeBSD _in general_ doesn't work for you, use Linux instead. There is nothing wrong doing so. > >> After trying packaged base no one could tell > >> me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. > > You also cannot go back from pkg-based ports to the old way, > > because it's not supported anymore, the build environments > > do not exist anymore, and the old ways don't work anymore. > > > > But in your specific problem, downloading the source (with > > a RELEASE version preferred), from the distribution tarball > > or via svn, then building from source (as explained in the > > comment header of /usr/src/Makefile), should work. > > > I did source upgrades. Did so myself for a long time, with custom kernel, configuration tweaked to meet the exact hardware. But nowadays - maybe I'm just getting older! - I prefer to use binary updates for OS and ports. FOr me, this works as intended, and there is hardly a need to build stuff from source. > Here then is a good example of what hacks me=20 > off.=A0 People think they know what some one else was doing and then go=20 > about telling them how they are doing everything wrong when it has not=20 > even been established what the process or environment is. This is very problematic, I can understand. > >> I > >> found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 > >> as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. > > If I remember correctly, 11.0 doesn't use pkg-base as a default. > > > Well it was implied that that was to be the future starting with 11.0 Maybe in 12.0 then. :-) > >> Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it see= ms > >> to have taken a back seat to pkg development. > > Nonsense. Even though you have to think before you buy, there are > > lots of modern graphics cards that work well on FreeBSD. And if > > you don't have a problem using nVidia's binary drivers, they > > usually work quite nicely and enable you a plethora of 3D stuff. > > And pkg has nothing to do with it, as those binary drivers are > > distributed binarily, so nothing can be ported. :-) > > >=20 > Not nonsense look here https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics. >=20 > It only works with Radeon HD 7660 or earlier.=A0 Radeon HD 7700 and later= =20 > nope. > Nvidia only to GTX 960. Now you can imagine the horror I feel when I need to buy new hardware. That's why I'm using old hardware, simply because it just works(TM)(R)(C). :-) Note the opening paragraph: "The tables below are not an exhaustive list of supported hardware." But... maybe I have a misunderstanding of what the wiki page you mentioned is about. At a point, it reads: "Radeon video cards: AGP cards not supported before FreeBSD 10-CURRENT". I've been using an ATi Radeon 9200 (or was it a 9600?) for many years with FreeBSD 5 and 7, with full 3D support! What was my problem? ;-) > >> The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been complete= d. > >> BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. > > It is primarily a licensing _and_ modularity issue. Of course > > you can use gcc _and_ clang on the same system. Building certain > > ports requires gcc, and sometimes requires a _specific_ gcc > > version. Nothing wrong here. >=20 > Except there are ports the will not build with GCC that use to. The port maintainer should be notified that the Makefile needs some alteration. > >> If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a > >> time and actually finishing them. > > I wish they had been doing this with sc -> vt, but no... you want > > X _and_ text mode? NO SOUP FOR YOU! ;-) > > >=20 > Exactly my point.=A0 When you work for a mega corp (billions of dollars)= =20 > you learn how to roll things out where they work 95% of the time.=A0 Yes= =20 > you have things happen,=A0 FreeBSD seems to make a mess every time=20 > something is rolled out.=A0 See the difference? As I said, I follow FreeBSD since 4.0, and to be honest, the problem sc -> vt is the _first_ thing (at OS responsibility) that I find really annoying. Except for this specific case, FreeBSD never failed for me in this area. > >> So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to > >> return to something stable and something that makes sense. > >> Incapatibilies plays a part too. > >> > >> Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". > > Nothing wrong with that. I've been using "UNIX-like" distros > > like Slackware and Gentoo as well as "preconfigured" distros > > of and on, as well as "Linux from scratch". Experience and > > knowledge can be obtained that way. But every time I tried > > something that should be stable, fast, reliable, predictable, > > secure and easy to use in production, I always cam back to > > using FreeBSD. - Needless to say, this is my very individual > > opinion and experience, and I don't claim it will (or can) > > be the same for everyone everywhere at every time. :-) >=20 > Well rolling out systems can be as easy as this. >=20 > Boot USB drive with os. > partition drive(s) > install file systems > install base package - with boot loader > install function package > =A0=A0=A0 like: > =A0=A0=A0 server-dhcp > =A0=A0=A0 server-mail > =A0=A0=A0 server-name > =A0=A0=A0 server-ftp > =A0=A0=A0 server-file > =A0=A0=A0 desktop-kde > =A0=A0=A0 desktop-gnome > =A0=A0=A0 desk-lumina >=20 > just a few of my "meta" installation packages The question is: In how far should packages be considered base or function? Is a mail server optional? I'm primarily thinking about inter-OS communication (e. g., cron), but you are probably thining about something more complex (like including MTA, MDA, etc.). > tickle a few config files and your done.=A0 One could even install=20 > multiple "function meta packages on a single machine. Why "even"? One of FreeBSD's strength is that you can easily have a server on your desktop. :-) > This is how I install FreeBSD but with the base package missing. > But I am told I am a rank amature and know nothing of value. You're definitely not a "know nothing" from what you explain. > FreeBSD is harder to do this way because of non-packed base and boot=20 > loader issues.=A0 Also with a broken getent makes it harder to=20 > programmically install user into the system. Yes, ripping apart what initially has been one functional unit will cause problems. And imagine the fun when the system cannot start because the scripts require a new shell that hasn't been packaged yet for the base. :-) > It is also how I install my scratch built systems. > This works on my scratch built systems no matter the disk=20 > configuration,=A0 RAID, LVM, MBR or GPT.=A0 it don't matter Those aspects don't matter when it comes to software installation, as everything already happens "invisibly" at VFS level. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 17:49:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD2AE8130F for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C687AD13 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDHnDGf077268; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:49:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: Subject: Thunderbird causing system crash, need guidance To: Polytropon Cc: Adam Vande More , FreeBSD Questions References: <201712110045.vBB0jCTQ078476@nightmare.dreamchaser.org> <38e2ef70-fa1b-25bf-4447-752006418d0a@dreamchaser.org> <20171211135803.d1aff6c8.freebsd@edvax.de> <5fbcd05c-ce12-b1a4-a9e9-79276dad7183@dreamchaser.org> <20171212200126.3ddf75e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <603b487e-d1b7-eb98-6bcd-f2c2c6d3b843@dreamchaser.org> <20171213133627.49a5e53b.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: <2d7c5545-d87d-6733-f85e-a53921afa67a@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:48:40 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171213133627.49a5e53b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:49:14 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:49:20 -0000 On 12/13/17 05:36, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:06:35 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >> On 12/12/17 12:01, Polytropon wrote: >>> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:30:26 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>> On 12/11/17 05:58, Polytropon wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:56:16 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>>>> On 12/10/17 19:02, Adam Vande More wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>> >>>>>> However, I'm confused. Upon reboot, the system checks to see if >>>>>> file systems were properly dismounted and is supposed to do an >>>>>> fsck. Since those don't show up in messages, I can't verify >>>>>> this, but I'm pretty certain it must have thought it was clean, >>>>>> which it wasn't. (One reason I'm pretty certain is the time >>>>>> involved when run manually as you suggested). >>>>> >>>>> This is the primary reason for setting >>>>> >>>>> background_fsck="NO" >>>> >>>> Already had that set for just that reason. >>>> >>>>> in /etc/rc.conf - if you can afford a little downtime. The >>>>> background fsck doesn't have all the repair capabilities a forced >>>>> foreground check has, to it _might_ leave the file system in an >>>>> inconsistent state, and the system runs with that unclean >>>>> partition. >>>>> >>>>>> The file system in question was mounted below "/". Does the >>>>>> system only auto-check file systems mounted at "/"? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, / is the first file system it checks. The two last fields in >>>>> /etc/fstab control what fsck will check, and /etc/rc.conf allows >>>>> additional flags for those automatic checks. >>>> >>>> The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it >>>> (as I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of >>>> the background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks >>>> apparently didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted >>>> in single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. >>>> Unfortunately, the fsck output is not printed to the log, and I >>>> logged in as root on the vt0 device, so it had scrolled off by the >>>> time I went to look for it. A good reason never to log into the >>>> vt0 device. Is there any way to get the "transient" boot-time fsck >>>> and other messages recorded in the log? >>> >>> There is an easy explanation: >>> >>> The foregroud fsck at boot time can only handle a subset of damages. >>> In some cases, you are required to perform a second run of fsck in >>> order to fix problems. This is where a forced full fsck is very >>> useful (usually in single-user mode). >>> >>> You can specify additional flags for boot-time fsck via /etc/rc.conf, >>> which are: >>> >>> fsck_y_enable="NO" # Set to YES to do fsck -y if the initial >>> preen fails. fsck_y_flags="" # Additional flags for fsck -y >>> background_fsck="YES" # Attempt to run fsck in the background where >>> possible. background_fsck_delay="60" # Time to wait (seconds) before >>> starting the fsck. >>> >>> For example, fsck_y_flags="-f" would be such an addition. As you can >>> see, an initial preen ("limited fsck") can fail, and the filesystem >>> might be in an inconsistent state. This is probably what you've been >>> experiencing. >>> >>> See "man fsck" for details. :-) >> >> My language skills must be degenerating along with everything else... :-( > > My language skills aren't better either. ;-) > > > >> I have already read and reread the fsck man page, but thanks for the >> fsck_y_flags example. I'm fairly sure a normal boot fsck should >> not have succeeded. > > I would have thought the same, but then I decided to consult > the authoritative source: the source. If I read everything > correctly (and there is sufficient doubt I do!), fsck will > exit with 0 in case a re-run is required. This requirement > is indicated by a text message ("please re-run fsck"), but > ony the return code matters to /etc/rc's "next steps". > > So in /usr/src/sbin/fsck_ffs/main.c, we find a function > called checkfilesys() returning int, but this is discarded > with (void); the main() function returns an int called ret, > it is initialized 0 and only set = 2 in case of "go to > single user mode", declared in fsck.h, set in fsutil.c > by catchquit(), which seems to be a signal handler... > > So my assumption could be correct that fsck "false-positively" > returns 0, boot continues as normal (with mount -w), but the > file system is still in an inconsistent state... > > > >> According to the handbook, 12.2.4, if an fsck fails it should drop into >> single user. > > Definitely. This usually happens in case of severe errors where > a repair attempt could do more damage. > > > >> However, when I manually >> unmounted the file system, ran "fsck -f" (which corrected numerous errors), >> then rebooted, everything was (not surprisingly) once again functioning >> properly. > > That matches my assumption. As soon as the file system is in a > consistent state again, things work as intended. > > > >> So I'm looking for, if possible: >> >> 1. An explanation for the above behavior, which seems inconsistent with >> the documented and expected behavior. The only fsck flag set in rc.conf >> is 'background_fsck="NO"'. Is there some state a disk (or something else, >> such as a normal shutdown flag), can (however theoretically) be in, where >> it is possible to have a corrupt disk that won't pass normal boot time >> fsck in preen mode but will not be checked in the first place, even while >> another disk, the one containing all the system files, is checked? > > I think we have at last an entry point for explanation now. :-) > > > >> 2. A way to get the output of boot-time fsck commands recorded in the >> system log, so one can after the fact of a reboot check to see what the >> heck went on in terms of the fsck sequence? > > This is usually the text mode console where you can press the > Scroll Lock key and scroll up to view the message that is still > in the text scroll buffer. As far as I know, /var/log/messages > does not record fsck status messages. > > > >> On 12/12/17 11:54, Adam Vande More wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Gary Aitken >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> The ordering part I understand; what I don't understand is why it (as >>>> I recall) rebooted successfully with no warnings in spite of the >>>> background_fsck="NO" being set and when one of the disks apparently >>>> didn't fsck properly. I thought it should have halted in >>>> single-user mode and waited for me to do a full fsck manually. >>> >>> That happens if the preen fails. See the man page I pointed you to. >>> There are cases where it can miss things. >> >> Are you saying if the preen fails, it mounts the file system normally >> and continues to boot into multi-user? According to the man page for >> fsck, a failure in preen mode will exit with failure, and the rc.d/fsck >> script (by my incompetent reading) will do stop_boot in that case. > > See above: I think it really is the case... Thank you for the extra sleuthing work; at least maybe it now makes sense. I owe you a beer... What version of source are you looking at? I'm on 10.3, and mine says: int main(int argc, char *argv[]{ ... while (argc > 0) { if (checkfilesys(*argv) == ERESTART) continue; argc--; argv++; } if (returntosingle) ret = 2; exit(ret); It looks like in this version the return value of checkfilesys is checked, but generally ignored since ERESTART is -1 and most returns are >= 0. If a restart is required it tries to run again, which I believe would still fail in this case; looks to me like it would retry 10 times and then exit 0, so not good there either. returntosingle appears to only be set from catchquit, which is only called if the -C flag is set. So overall the same behavior you surmise. I presume I should file a PR on this, unless you want to do it. Thanks again, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 18:24:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972DDE8243B for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x232.google.com (mail-lf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18A477C49F for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id e137so3744090lfg.5 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:24:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=xDHzWKv+n39a0/rS7IcNYmU5ARLXueIkISwq0zRZEc8=; b=KVgRbPHZkm8ysPfWWxZukivmDRdM+j/ssvHnMgGwcJ+u/2MiBfRQzT+sjGze8jr8tC h94wrmoXl6dtOpWEPL0kV2o16LLFNsEP9IEeURhTwn4BbNlVlBMGknBTbCs8WENGgAwM Tn9iFZBdgxEz1aMfqRVG/bqZzQ/jWagCd0Hm8TbtUPUqLYxsqLnEuIQlfDwSsFPdvLcp yWMaEXC/EStEvJszukH3TcC0baTPZdNKcRJsntOKYke3+tcvYEaRmtX8Ov7xe1YywJCi Ga3WScLa3H6k/gAn5LZqJ7Set8BGNn84jayJ17FcxBbC5qA3wtvKxbzg4BKHPR0fZLFW jKHg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=xDHzWKv+n39a0/rS7IcNYmU5ARLXueIkISwq0zRZEc8=; b=t/aZyxYApObURrxqPJLi1o6JqbJSsJCrhqHA7PSdLcg2AZ0D5EBvRsR8S8DCxJfRrh FgmqPZq8g/aJH5+AwwmoFQR7u8IGbgGmjUR57LXhEw+ohNvogFSEvP0Md8GbRo+0Cyg+ aEM/YdVVmOQvrDf1Mam/JNjcbTayslCYwQMJDP8G6bLr8pQIsnpXH4/BPDr8m106g7Hy X75+vU6amuIbzCt4obNBNv8BvopNXpE6u8LnTo4Np1ypUMstr903wT2v3Yvm1k+MZrvq WQ/qd2rEHpHsY1Pem3KozADEXwQtK2oj2YKfgM0WXwXwmmhFnRNCKWkXpXu0YSER95h0 qBBA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ+r4l+UkbEBSG1dzESNoQzjoTbhcqEhbdi1hIRdi7pkPwqp/ne PF3zIL5SKUuXm3B8ddcKuRRGAg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosDvCHW4AURr2UIvrTBB37zTs9sXm4QfBz3hsnBnR887wBEuTQ2ePgXy74QmN+mMzouehD3hA== X-Received: by 10.46.83.29 with SMTP id h29mr2000426ljb.144.1513189447136; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.thwn ([146.255.166.18]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u201sm444528lff.67.2017.12.13.10.24.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 28d2d64f; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:23:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:23:21 +0100 From: fml To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue Message-ID: <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:24:09 -0000 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:54:01AM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 > > (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted > > Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]... > > mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada0s1a... > > Its been a LONG time since I booted one of these, but I seem to recall > it was quite particular about setting how the disk was accessed. I > recall having to set something in /boot/loader.conf. Maybe the sata > version ? dma mode ? Mike, Julien, thank you for your kind suggestions, I'll try both of them. f. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 18:45:01 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C01E8311E for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:45:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 606917D8FA for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:45:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBDIixYC020789 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:45:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (saphire3.sentex.ca [192.168.43.26]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBDIivF6082061; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:44:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue To: fml Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:44:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:45:01 -0000 On 12/13/2017 2:23 PM, fml wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:54:01AM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: >>> (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 >>> (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted >>> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]... >>> mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada0s1a... >> >> Its been a LONG time since I booted one of these, but I seem to recall >> it was quite particular about setting how the disk was accessed. I >> recall having to set something in /boot/loader.conf. Maybe the sata >> version ? dma mode ? hw.ata.ata_dma=0 hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 were the two I was thinking about ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 18:50:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EF9E83323 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617217DB16 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 42007CB8D14; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:32:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:32:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <22836.128.135.52.6.1513189941.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 12:32:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: CUDA under FreeBSD From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "FreeBSD" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:50:02 -0000 On Tue, December 5, 2017 4:04 am, Carmel NY wrote: > On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:53 AM, Shane Ambler stated: >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: >> > On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >> >> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me the real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >> > >> > Arrogance would be my guess. >> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be able to >> run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >> >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting supported shortly? >> > >> > Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just not >> > to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and unwillingness to disclose details of their hardware was always much worse than that of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >> > >> > This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. > > Personally, I have always considered Nvidia products to be superior. Well, this is just your subjective opinion opposing my subjective opinion. With all due respect. I have seen nvidia chips giving artifacts (probably after mild overheat, really just mild). I can not compare some product (to consider it superior to another) if I can not use that product fully under variety of systems _I_ use. And the last is true about nvidia video chips. As opposed to variety of their competitors. At some point Apple agreed with me (well, of course independent on me made up their opinion ;-). There were infamous MacBook Pro 15 inch made by Apple somewhere around 2012. These contained discrete video chip by NVIDIA (in addition to integrated on intel CPU substrate... I'm lying, it was inside CPU case, but etched on different substrate...). Anyway, there was some crap about that NVIDIA chip, so Apple didn't manage to make later releases of MacOS work with later hardware and with that 2012 MacBook Pro, kernel just crashed inside NVIDIA kernel module. Apple even had (really short lived) program of replacing that hardware, realizing that this is just crap. Program closed very quickly, so only small portion of bad hardware was actually replaced. My guess is: nvidia decided not to carry their side of financial losses. After which Apple made good IMHO decision, and switched over to AMD (which are actually bought out by AMD well known ATI). Incidentally, way back someone made excellent argument when comparing ATI with NVIDIA. Here it is: NVIDIA releases new drivers (or driver updates) almost monthly. ATI takes about half a year to release driver. From which the conclusion can be made (which I fully agree with) that ATI thoroughly tests and debugs drivers before releasing them (and doesn't need to fix crap in the driver soon after release). Not true about NVIDIA, whose drivers quite likely are much buggier. Anyway, just my observations, potentially a bit biased by the fact that NVIDIA discloses much less about chip internals than, say, ATI (hence the ability or lack of such by open source driver developers to write decent open source drivers. > >> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev at >> one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. Still hasn't helped any. > Which just confirms that individual developer is likely less arrogant than a company as a whole. Well, all I said is just my subjective opinion based on my (by no means thorough) observations. Valeri > Interesting. I was not aware of that. It would seem to me that there should be more of an > concerted effort to get this issue resolved. > > -- > Carmel > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 19:35:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B79E845AE for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBFBE7F3F6 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.18.98]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lg0SZ-1enbWU1Bdb-00pc2l; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:35:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:35:12 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mike Tancsa Cc: fml , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue Message-Id: <20171213203512.268d8006.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:JJmkcRwePtpAX4uHVudFwRdJv0fJyI7uopD6CKcM+buqVQSKqB8 nA1L84DnKXb+NgAcMPvGTcSYoa/XmB4L4oT+pOK49SFDnrWd38P0gmHTsqmlmKUVd6s+8qw Swy2zEResncp6Zje9Um1YCaeGbbWfRbTT7CMVbjxMLM+zouRfbIWYwTHERJ+Lc+qw8+9tdr Y7Q5bEXRnvoOhmlRzUIaQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:igNB5Z89i5E=:jFgFi8UWrgFDu2n4ucb1Hs xQKvKsKcuOexPAg/2BZI6a1rOb02N6BJko2luU/xXU1i8dmcJA9HMGiz30I3VF0MVnBf+Dlgz A4XIWS1fxgH/quFeDP9bBsB6JICcp3LWPhiHkA7QCd8W8SCuYGdgIApZqbF0rvz0NBB6cu/uf CUT+nzBHe9AdcPMzwy450nd8Dk8OQR2OejLQ5EtWa9a8X9R2ILHPuHP9uQf+0USiyrgaq4DJh ytXIaa3DokhT1JyLJKfezvLRRBEDi536XOPO2iNdef1dI06jkGwa43u40Uu3W2+9Jctb9bBos oMXFPeb8VIMACnMHSZuSkIaswcYxSRNclv3IPwJoIy4ZjLfr0S3d9JFxGnU/VzMe0JZmtxeh4 vvsKGq8I5cocxlHU7HP7Rv6qyXLeEWerloUN1Sz/af8G20JirjTl+2UKNPikd50JOqlpXE0ZQ P8bFK4u6T0OkT7DzkD2SnYI3PmiHXe4F0Bq2Btq+1vZnsCt90g4vBMimhN3oAR+AZ0ddhsQRy gBsWKfJwJnQ4VKH097eX5v+JrQjnFOdxWaA+0t4w1t3yBGFmsfOF27SLL9qGJC1O6Ry22SYT+ Bjoib86GY8wNkRUXV2aCZ1fu8LW+9Wbmaqob7qZukKz05YmoIdlseeWtH1zVOTU+JGi+QQvOU IJnl2bikKDJUyAGNvTksJh0fa9I4AUlhABnukwM14GG2EPXaDNhkFsA8SvkUC2E3COgZQaUd5 M6YJMJ7r4jhozqwF8xLxqcCHSAClIc/88GAg0Lysf/BhWJFz6DFN1K+dT6Q= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:35:27 -0000 On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:44:58 -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 12/13/2017 2:23 PM, fml wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:54:01AM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >>> (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): RES: 51 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 > >>> (aprobe0:ata0:0:0:0): Error 5, Retries exhausted > >>> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]... > >>> mountroot: waiting for device /dev/ada0s1a... > >> > >> Its been a LONG time since I booted one of these, but I seem to recall > >> it was quite particular about setting how the disk was accessed. I > >> recall having to set something in /boot/loader.conf. Maybe the sata > >> version ? dma mode ? > > > hw.ata.ata_dma=0 > hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 > > were the two I was thinking about On my ye olde home PC, I have those in /boot/loader.conf: hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" hw.ata.ata_dma="1" hw.ata.wc="0" The descriptions are: hw.ata.atapi_dma: ATAPI device DMA mode control hw.ata.ata_dma: ATA disk DMA mode control hw.ata.wc: ATA disk write caching Maybe this will help? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 21:30:02 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FAAE87D8A; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C64F64F35; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:30:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from localhost.nl2k.ab.ca ([127.0.0.1]:54839 helo=doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ePEHv-000IFb-Eq; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:10:01 -0700 Received: (from doctor@localhost) by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vBDL9x1m070158; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:09:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:09:59 -0700 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: openssl issue Message-ID: <20171213210959.GA69048@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:30:02 -0000 Package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `openssl.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable Package 'openssl', required by 'virtual:world', not found *** Missing pkg-config for package openssl (for Exim USE_OPENSSL_PC build option) *** Error code 1 Stop. Getting the above message when trying to implement an Openssl app. How do I fix this? -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism Happy Christmas 2017 and Merry New Year 2018 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 00:42:27 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E31E8C47E for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (spindle.one-eyed-alien.net [199.48.129.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2DC36A8B6; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by spindle.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 3001) id A7F185A9F15; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:32:55 +0000 From: Brooks Davis To: Carmel NY Cc: 'FreeBSD' , "brooks@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: devel/llvm40 fails to build Message-ID: <20171214003255.GE93597@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:42:27 -0000 --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 08:05:09PM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > I am unable to build the "devel/llvm40" port with poudriere. It ends with= this error message: >=20 > /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device > c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocat= ion) > ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. > *** Error code 1 >=20 > Stop. > make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm40 > =3D>> Cleaning up wrkdir > =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for llvm40-4.0.1_5 > build of devel/llvm40 | llvm40-4.0.1_5 ended at Fri Dec 8 14:30:36 EST 2= 017 > build time: 01:01:56 > !!! build failure encountered !!! >=20 > Is there anything I can do to correct this situation? >=20 Given this error message: > /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device You probably need a larger disk, but you might be able to get by running fewer poudriere jobs at once. -- Brooks --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJaMca2AAoJEKzQXbSebgfA8yMIAJ4CeCOHgJ+63plCXut/OC2P gfpF+5PofSZNSSXbtSUHgUHNemIKbuCRd0s5tr9Zrk02gFtOvBLMnQMW+FqGme5v Rb63N8XnT+RQWVB3Mn5G+z7zPG9mEM+uBNNe5pKpSUq8sPdOqeOxgqcxZqcIC01L HIuuhMvnq05TC/mDSotnj82kwAV9Dxqj7Cs964+eH94R3j24UBD43RAQJFguAKSe pQ3HT6vyYc0mEGwG6ffD9oxeIaHu4WALOn7+TKF2EaYH3OGeH6wqmPNRPrNGE1h3 Ew6yJDXpqF3sqooyAfRuoSwq5GUqoozxI0CWSU39g60j4hmKQkOup51OwogXMTA= =una8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 02:43:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABD3E9020B for ; 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charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 02:43:04 -0000 On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Tue, December 5, 2017 4:04 am, Carmel NY wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:53 AM, Shane Ambler stated: > >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> > On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: > >> >> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me the > real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under > >> > > >> > Arrogance would be my guess. > >> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should be > able to > >> run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. > >> >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting > supported shortly? > >> > > >> > Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just > not > >> > to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and unwillingness > to disclose details of their hardware was always much worse than that > of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). > >> > > >> > This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. > > > > Personally, I have always considered Nvidia products to be superior. > > Well, this is just your subjective opinion opposing my subjective opinion. > With all due respect. > > I have seen nvidia chips giving artifacts (probably after mild overheat, > really just mild). I can not compare some product (to consider it superior > to another) if I can not use that product fully under variety of systems > _I_ use. And the last is true about nvidia video chips. As opposed to > variety of their competitors. > > At some point Apple agreed with me (well, of course independent on me made > up their opinion ;-). There were infamous MacBook Pro 15 inch made by > Apple somewhere around 2012. These contained discrete video chip by NVIDIA > (in addition to integrated on intel CPU substrate... I'm lying, it was > inside CPU case, but etched on different substrate...). Anyway, there was > some crap about that NVIDIA chip, so Apple didn't manage to make later > releases of MacOS work with later hardware and with that 2012 MacBook Pro, > kernel just crashed inside NVIDIA kernel module. Apple even had (really > short lived) program of replacing that hardware, realizing that this is > just crap. Program closed very quickly, so only small portion of bad > hardware was actually replaced. My guess is: nvidia decided not to carry > their side of financial losses. After which Apple made good IMHO decision, > and switched over to AMD (which are actually bought out by AMD well known > ATI). Incidentally, way back someone made excellent argument when > comparing ATI with NVIDIA. Here it is: NVIDIA releases new drivers (or > driver updates) almost monthly. ATI takes about half a year to release > driver. From which the conclusion can be made (which I fully agree with) > that ATI thoroughly tests and debugs drivers before releasing them (and > doesn't need to fix crap in the driver soon after release). Not true about > NVIDIA, whose drivers quite likely are much buggier. > > Anyway, just my observations, potentially a bit biased by the fact that > NVIDIA discloses much less about chip internals than, say, ATI (hence the > ability or lack of such by open source driver developers to write decent > open source drivers. > > > > >> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev > at > >> one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical > reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. > Still hasn't helped any. > > > > Which just confirms that individual developer is likely less arrogant than > a company as a whole. > > Well, all I said is just my subjective opinion based on my (by no means > thorough) observations. > > Valeri > > > Interesting. I was not aware of that. It would seem to me that there > should be more of an > > concerted effort to get this issue resolved. > > > > -- > > Carmel > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Here's a thorough overview of the history of ATI/AMD vs NVIDIA it's a three part but very good, for those who want to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6TiSdKT0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1bp9eSfwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-YM_3YBm0 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 05:22:23 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA8AE9576A; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: from apnoea.adamw.org (apnoea.adamw.org [104.225.5.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "apnoea.adamw.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA68E73B2F; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adamw@adamw.org) Received: by apnoea.adamw.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id bbc28851 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:15:41 -0700 (MST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; delsp=yes; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: openssl issue From: Adam Weinberger In-Reply-To: <20171213210959.GA69048@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:15:39 -0700 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <20171213210959.GA69048@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: The Doctor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 05:22:23 -0000 > On 13 Dec, 2017, at 14:09, The Doctor wrote: > > Package openssl was not found in the pkg-config search path. > Perhaps you should add the directory containing `openssl.pc' > to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable > Package 'openssl', required by 'virtual:world', not found > *** Missing pkg-config for package openssl (for Exim USE_OPENSSL_PC build > option) > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Getting the above message when trying to implement an > Openssl app. How do I fix this? 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 00:32:55 +0000, Brooks Davis stated: >On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 08:05:09PM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: >> I am unable to build the "devel/llvm40" port with poudriere. It ends with >> this error message: >>=20 >> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device >> c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see >> invocation) ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed. >> *** Error code 1 >>=20 >> Stop. >> make: stopped in /usr/ports/devel/llvm40 =20 >> =3D>> Cleaning up wrkdir =20 >> =3D=3D=3D> Cleaning for llvm40-4.0.1_5 =20 >> build of devel/llvm40 | llvm40-4.0.1_5 ended at Fri Dec 8 14:30:36 EST = 2017 >> build time: 01:01:56 >> !!! build failure encountered !!! >>=20 >> Is there anything I can do to correct this situation? >> =20 > >Given this error message: > >> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device =20 > >You probably need a larger disk, but you might be able to get by running >fewer poudriere jobs at once. > >-- Brooks > I found that eliminating the "TMPFS" settings eliminates the problem, both = in poudriere and synth. --=20 Carmel --Sig_/.OpzQMn0jHy2cFTHPlBITy. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEh3rFs7ZCOM581rwKjsagALPkYOsFAloyUGEACgkQjsagALPk YOuepAf/YwEAhk2e+wNaeNPH2Ylbkxv63gWJg7JTizfEo5DDdSKk2qGBTktv4ONI BJgi54gVGU6j3KzMvJAHRNxa0IGZyAcflU4QBA7dUHsckRV28hdyUYRgqOBgULlb ysu2Nl4Oq1ZU250iXxUjI0gfjPfaTsijaz0u4t/GZWvod3kRL//fiogBCwkPcmw1 4pABem1E8gJnErR29r6oyvI3v2K3XqjR3yAdj6ovf9jsczGIdNSvrUbi1zjOKoxT dc6aKIzBeq9nEIiahI/BUmxouoR+U46R45RG+EUP2gXSrGaI7cJTQxzA8VWMGrTe fxdgK8QdSNr5CYW26EEfRaVzoJet3Q== =HjtO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/.OpzQMn0jHy2cFTHPlBITy.-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 14:29:57 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A5EE8262F for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E151663B5 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:29:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD4162422 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:29:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G92I7ebz01RQ for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (inet04.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by inet08.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F9C662100 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <7753d93f820fc98702e493a41488c8fc.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:29:48 -0500 Subject: IPMI and loader.conf From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22-5.el6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:29:57 -0000 I am going to leave this issue until after New Years so that I do not cause any avoidable unscheduled interruptions to my vacation. However, I do have a question relating to what can go wrong. Given this /boot/loader.conf: # cat /boot/loader.conf geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_type="ada1p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" geli_ada2p4_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada2p4_keyfile0_type="ada2p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada2p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" geli_ada3p4_keyfile0_load="YES" geli_ada3p4_keyfile0_type="ada3p4:geli_keyfile0" geli_ada3p4_keyfile0_name="/boot/encryption.key" aesni_load="YES" geom_eli_load="YES" geom_eli_passphrase_prompt="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot/ROOT/default" kern.geom.label.gptid.enable="0" zpool_cache_load="YES" zpool_cache_type="/boot/zfs/zpool.cache" zpool_cache_name="/boot/zfs/zpool.cache" zfs_load="YES" vmn_load="YES" nmdm_load="YES" if_bridge_load="YES" if_tap_load="YES" # Testing settings for IPMI Serial Over LAN console boot_multicons="YES" What would happen if the line __ boot_multicons="YES" __ was moved to a line above __ geli_ada1p4_keyfile0_load="YES" __ AND after moving it contained a syntax error, say a mismatched quotation mark. What would be the consequences and how would they be repaired? Direct access to a hardwired console is possible in this case. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. Byrne mailto:ByrneJB@Harte-Lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca 9 Brockley Drive vox: +1 905 561 1241 Hamilton, Ontario fax: +1 905 561 0757 Canada L8E 3C3 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 18:08:45 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08BCE89A1A for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22d.google.com (mail-lf0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6890070B9F for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:08:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id f13so7661096lff.12 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:08:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=ZaQhDvLmxtuL8/OvastSY8cHz3nbCplHzSvqtt9rmUc=; b=LEvMAD3lyWjbwsQmlrb2bGozAbFzuR2GQWJ3WiJ9ihkmqHPOHNAiDUCVuNs5/PkpcB kRE5BpcteamMX5RGFtYaAh2Ar7YnuGdf2GniAFCTx2OAkyFhvyK5Rv890q5ILxZgTp7b SFmCZYU+AWwXsVtG/g6KapraL+okPfv2aweZ+d2Kfqv4zqeXKq8f9ijrdEiHZUCXtawf PjF4qA12yemhgT7AZnXArUOLGTJ+OdCC46oUtYANHuMHgphYdD2ASqaaebOXeCZnPzKp Yl6rbGzQK+ndutbKXyTiLnN3wwX7fEYcA1ikDOh808rVD2MXHny0E0lFLDi2rCRN1ymc w6GQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=ZaQhDvLmxtuL8/OvastSY8cHz3nbCplHzSvqtt9rmUc=; b=T5Fy7GsKj6xZExoJ6ps0DGGFlWB5Ii7bHYr+XUr7qrNk8BlHMy3iszhfNIMG/srQ29 JLOwvvi+HxZcX0SMD8quXB/xSwg/bx96DCu1NqeVfSbxeqHU7ksCS5PBiqVBaXJjE1V5 B3UINkOFvg87z/TJrthBnGc5wgdeabzITg68mWoLLJ8lOtdCSYyMn+GGYArXEKmslgiu vlSO6e7fmYrxlxoySuIVTfRSCBuoZt+xpP/TIhlPfpefZXXa9+nO+JaA52DZA3qP5C4j WDG+v4M4kb4oh2A/PqSgcfI4XOaIHYqGH7Pe7RFQ9qDKcWLr4SKWWj+YNdof/J9bdJi6 2p7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKxBClR+9IJF0g9GIaqJ4n0aq54nI62Vpy2H93XoSVtAU4mCN9j 2kF9Okmh544Ri6P4Q1Exn6U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBov7YGj/4Mg+oOzmrW/VXpvJJZprEjULDFmLxLYHhXnbvnqq5HqI/4xMNfBSLpXwkTY/gxAEUg== X-Received: by 10.25.157.143 with SMTP id g137mr3809717lfe.6.1513274923489; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.thwn ([146.255.166.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c29sm895778ljd.41.2017.12.14.10.08.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from avalon.thwn (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avalon.thwn (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d8c3c23b; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:07:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:07:58 +0100 From: fml To: Polytropon Cc: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue Message-ID: <20171214190758.GA1648@avalon.thwn> References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> <20171213203512.268d8006.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171213203512.268d8006.freebsd@edvax.de> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:08:46 -0000 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 08:35:12PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On my ye olde home PC, I have those in /boot/loader.conf: > > hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" > hw.ata.ata_dma="1" > hw.ata.wc="0" > > Maybe this will help? Thank you and Mike but...no progress. It still can't mount root (ada0s1a) and the list of GEOM managed disk devices is empty. I'm stuck. f. 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Storage issue To: fml Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions , Mike Tancsa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:20:55 -0000 IIRC not all CF cards work, but... Try adding these to /boot/loader.conf kern.cam.boot_delay=3D"10000" kern.cam.scsi_delay=3D"5000" On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:07 AM, fml wrote: > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 08:35:12PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On my ye olde home PC, I have those in /boot/loader.conf: > > > > hw.ata.atapi_dma=3D"1" > > hw.ata.ata_dma=3D"1" > > hw.ata.wc=3D"0" > > > > Maybe this will help? > > Thank you and Mike but...no progress. > It still can't mount root (ada0s1a) and the list of GEOM managed > disk devices is empty. > > I'm stuck. > f. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 18:25:37 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BCDE8A379 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x243.google.com (mail-qk0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67D9871B34 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x243.google.com with SMTP id b184so7392162qkc.13 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:25:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PbfL+nN92YC2TmHuaZzM7wqr6MPpnLBzluI0FfQMJfU=; b=zfuF+7i56h1IgyBmFWo0HQQ58nTyIgVJE8aLuDJu7gVt5DjFFXhcIZpWr/IeP8ffKg nShtOjKPBiNdvT06TOE50v5uReAGPwgBOswAua6RugNelepLeMszw5bt4Ftvir+pHB7V RYgP13ulWaB7CxSyVZgBynfyufhU8xSR+ud0go6TuDxThXhGruUVkCINrDN54BpKmyl3 Ng21CtCRBehiQ7rlI9IOfXXDYIy0Vva0QhEV5BvzxWX3sEwFIVGLAAf4JRpW9Lc9c9W7 04MyIfGJNgqlrK3G/2Ye2LyM4C8dSOvsSSQGfW5LWVDFQbng0XPAtLb5WAg+GDGUF8db 3T8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PbfL+nN92YC2TmHuaZzM7wqr6MPpnLBzluI0FfQMJfU=; b=qEoSE2iagGeaTgzovdjDsa40eSpoj2HyrJ93KNtqT1foFu48FVTHxHRm1ISrytmP1R UgDRRj0OhMcDKpNF4o9duLTHZV3eMz1KP96r40yTV1144uDssbgr7RUzMxfBZYN65yHl Y7dBYDeyaRShVQLg9OG9Lq3s0g7H6WPMfpwpGthqyKBwb1CPsLc+IYODlGcynNmpY74C qVOHj0sS81/6IGRWw8qgEirrdem2WCla/TC78ogXWufENUx0oUQpWxlKpVDlDV+YUWGU XlhYNXef31OJPlt+mtsEtpbd+j13HyvkhIHBJ9GapOrOok2QFMJuhVIv7yId6DvNq1xF 0gFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mJ164iN3UIsoyPQIZ9ycpitIJ+sJxju8auosPwbFA8JNoIeBTNj NF1kWzUf/dmhJLh9gk96tPObP/r/1DC0DjbS8uoqpQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoucQUSf7xNReQcQxEhK8rOpRrMIfYkm3UrZTolbOaJXCKurJXpl9lcBLFWCw15rMKiYjwUIhVKEtKat5uD4K7k= X-Received: by 10.55.5.143 with SMTP id 137mr13654501qkf.231.1513275936347; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:25:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.57.39 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:25:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> <20171213203512.268d8006.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171214190758.GA1648@avalon.thwn> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:25:35 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue To: fml Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions , Mike Tancsa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:25:37 -0000 Sorry, that got away too fast. Disable ACPI in /boot/loader.conf, and add a line for the mount device hint.acpi.0.disabled=3D"1" vfs.root.mountfrom=3D"ufs:/dev/ada0s1" >From this I conclude your device is not a GPART but old fashioned slice/partition disk. Post your kernconf. You may be missing something. - M On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > IIRC not all CF cards work, but... > > Try adding these to /boot/loader.conf > > kern.cam.boot_delay=3D"10000" > > kern.cam.scsi_delay=3D"5000" > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:07 AM, fml wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 08:35:12PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: >> > >> > On my ye olde home PC, I have those in /boot/loader.conf: >> > >> > hw.ata.atapi_dma=3D"1" >> > hw.ata.ata_dma=3D"1" >> > hw.ata.wc=3D"0" >> > >> > Maybe this will help? >> >> Thank you and Mike but...no progress. >> It still can't mount root (ada0s1a) and the list of GEOM managed >> disk devices is empty. >> >> I'm stuck. >> f. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe >> @freebsd.org" >> > > > > -- > "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no > wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred.= " > > - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata > --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 18:40:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799AFE8AB45 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8B47251F for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id ED81ECB8D00; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:40:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from 10.150.179.124 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:40:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <52115.10.150.179.124.1513276825.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <22836.128.135.52.6.1513189941.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:40:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "blubee blubeeme" Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu, "FreeBSD" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:40:33 -0000 On Wed, December 13, 2017 8:43 pm, blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Valeri Galtsev > > wrote: > >> On Tue, December 5, 2017 4:04 am, Carmel NY wrote: >> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:53 AM, Shane Ambler stated: >> >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: >> >> > On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: >> >> >> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me >> the >> real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under >> >> > >> >> > Arrogance would be my guess. >> >> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should >> be >> able to >> >> run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. >> >> >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting >> supported shortly? >> >> > >> >> > Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just >> not >> >> > to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and >> unwillingness >> to disclose details of their hardware was always much worse than that >> of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). >> >> > >> >> > This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. >> > >> > Personally, I have always considered Nvidia products to be superior. >> >> Well, this is just your subjective opinion opposing my subjective >> opinion. >> With all due respect. >> >> I have seen nvidia chips giving artifacts (probably after mild overheat, >> really just mild). I can not compare some product (to consider it >> superior >> to another) if I can not use that product fully under variety of systems >> _I_ use. And the last is true about nvidia video chips. As opposed to >> variety of their competitors. >> >> At some point Apple agreed with me (well, of course independent on me >> made >> up their opinion ;-). There were infamous MacBook Pro 15 inch made by >> Apple somewhere around 2012. These contained discrete video chip by >> NVIDIA >> (in addition to integrated on intel CPU substrate... I'm lying, it was >> inside CPU case, but etched on different substrate...). Anyway, there >> was >> some crap about that NVIDIA chip, so Apple didn't manage to make later >> releases of MacOS work with later hardware and with that 2012 MacBook >> Pro, >> kernel just crashed inside NVIDIA kernel module. Apple even had (really >> short lived) program of replacing that hardware, realizing that this is >> just crap. Program closed very quickly, so only small portion of bad >> hardware was actually replaced. My guess is: nvidia decided not to carry >> their side of financial losses. After which Apple made good IMHO >> decision, >> and switched over to AMD (which are actually bought out by AMD well >> known >> ATI). Incidentally, way back someone made excellent argument when >> comparing ATI with NVIDIA. Here it is: NVIDIA releases new drivers (or >> driver updates) almost monthly. ATI takes about half a year to release >> driver. From which the conclusion can be made (which I fully agree with) >> that ATI thoroughly tests and debugs drivers before releasing them (and >> doesn't need to fix crap in the driver soon after release). Not true >> about >> NVIDIA, whose drivers quite likely are much buggier. >> >> Anyway, just my observations, potentially a bit biased by the fact that >> NVIDIA discloses much less about chip internals than, say, ATI (hence >> the >> ability or lack of such by open source driver developers to write decent >> open source drivers. >> >> > >> >> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev >> at >> >> one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical >> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. >> Still hasn't helped any. >> > >> >> Which just confirms that individual developer is likely less arrogant >> than >> a company as a whole. >> >> Well, all I said is just my subjective opinion based on my (by no means >> thorough) observations. >> >> Valeri >> >> > Interesting. I was not aware of that. It would seem to me that there >> should be more of an >> > concerted effort to get this issue resolved. >> > >> > -- >> > Carmel >> > >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Valeri Galtsev >> Sr System Administrator >> Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics >> Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics >> University of Chicago >> Phone: 773-702-4247 >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Here's a thorough overview of the history of ATI/AMD vs NVIDIA it's a > three > part but very good, for those who want to know. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6TiSdKT0A > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1bp9eSfwo > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-YM_3YBm0 The only trouble I have with your links above is: you have misrepresented what they are. They are not overview of history of ATI/AMD vs NVIDIA as you said. They are very nice NVIDIA commercials. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Dec 14 18:59:21 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BD8E8B811 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:80:80::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smarthost.sentex.ca", Issuer "smarthost.sentex.ca" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B45FE7339C for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (lava.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:5::11]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vBEIxGaB008585 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:59:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [192.168.43.26] (saphire3.sentex.ca [192.168.43.26]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBEIxEeu089807; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:59:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue To: fml , Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> <20171213203512.268d8006.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171214190758.GA1648@avalon.thwn> From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:59:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171214190758.GA1648@avalon.thwn> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A1A8E12644720D10DB32AD2F" Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:59:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A1A8E12644720D10DB32AD2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 12/14/2017 2:07 PM, fml wrote: > > Thank you and Mike but...no progress. > It still can't mount root (ada0s1a) and the list of GEOM managed > disk devices is empty. Actually, i found an old 4801 sitting around was able to boot up a stock nanobsd image we use. Just had to add the old if_sis driver! As for the disk, I am using the attached kernel config /boot/loader.conf # cat /boot/loader.conf hw.ata.ata_dma=0 hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 if_sis_load="YES" comconsole_speed="115200" console="comconsole" # dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2017 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #0 r325356: Fri Nov 3 06:24:34 EDT 2017 mike@releng11-i386:/usr/obj/nanobsd.alix2b/usr/src/sys/nano5501 i386 FreeBSD clang version 5.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_500/final 312559) (based on LLVM 5.0.0svn) VT(vga): resolution 640x480 CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by National Semi (586-class CPU) Origin="Geode by NSC" Id=0x540 Family=0x5 Model=0x4 Stepping=0 Features=0x808131 AMD Features=0x1010000<,> real memory = 134217728 (128 MB) avail memory = 117624832 (112 MB) random: entropy device external interface kbd1 at kbdmux0 module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xc0a20460, 0) error 19 ACPI BIOS Error (bug): A valid RSDP was not found (20170728/tbxfroot-369) ACPI: Table initialisation failed: AE_NOT_FOUND ACPI: Try disabling either ACPI or apic support. vtvga0: on motherboard cryptosoft0: on motherboard pcib0 pcibus 0 on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 sis0: port 0xe100-0xe1ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000fff irq 10 at device 6.0 on pci0 sis0: Silicon Revision: DP83816A miibus0: on sis0 nsphyter0: PHY 0 on miibus0 nsphyter0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c8:fa:dc sis1: port 0xe200-0xe2ff mem 0xa0001000-0xa0001fff irq 10 at device 7.0 on pci0 sis1: Silicon Revision: DP83816A miibus1: on sis1 nsphyter1: PHY 0 on miibus1 nsphyter1: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis1: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c8:fa:dd sis2: port 0xe300-0xe3ff mem 0xa0002000-0xa0002fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci0 sis2: Silicon Revision: DP83816A miibus2: on sis2 nsphyter2: PHY 0 on miibus2 nsphyter2: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis2: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c8:fa:de Geode Soekris net4801 comBIOS ver. 1.31 20070408 Copyright (C) 2000-2007 isab0: port 0x6100-0x613f,0x6200-0x623f at device 18.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 18.1 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xe000-0xe00f at device 18.2 on pci0 ata0: at channel 0 on atapci0 ata1: at channel 1 on atapci0 Timecounter "Geode" frequency 27000000 Hz quality 1000 pci0: at device 18.5 (no driver attached) ohci0: mem 0xa0003000-0xa0003fff irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 usbus0 on ohci0 cpu0 on motherboard pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc8000-0xd0fff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atrtc0: at port 0x70 irq 8 on isa0 atrtc0: registered as a time-of-day clock, resolution 1.000000s Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 attimer0: at port 0x40 on isa0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 uart0: <16550 or compatible> at port 0x3f8 irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 uart0: console (115200,n,8,1) uart1: <16550 or compatible> at port 0x2f8 irq 3 on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ugen0.1: <0x0e11 OHCI root HUB> at usbus0 uhub0: <0x0e11 OHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0 ada0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA-7 device ada0: Serial Number TSS50032170701000152 ada0: 16.700MB/s transfers (PIO4, PIO 512bytes) ada0: 1919MB (3931200 512 byte sectors) taskqgroup_adjust failed cnt: 1 stride: 1 mp_ncpus: 1 smp_started: 0 taskqgroup_adjust failed cnt: 1 stride: 1 mp_ncpus: 1 smp_started: 0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s1a [ro]... uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered random: unblocking device. sis0: link state changed to UP sis1: link state changed to DOWN sis2: link state changed to DOWN pflog0: promiscuous mode enabled -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ --------------A1A8E12644720D10DB32AD2F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="5501.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="5501.txt" 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00:52:35 -0000 On 12/13/17 11:54, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:01:41 -0500, Baho Utot wrote: >> On 12/9/2017 2:23 PM, Polytropon wrote: >>> [...] >>>> Any way I have started to update my scratch built linux systems, because >>>> this 5 year trial of FreeBSD has just been fraught with an unbelievable >>>> work load just to make it function. >>> THis is in fact a big deal - but usually this list is very >>> helpful if you're willing to "do your homework". >>> >> Helpful as in what I asked how do you boot yo a zfs raid array?  The >> answer but using the BIOS menu to boot it.  Thjat is just not acceptable. > > Things as complex as ZFS RAID have more than one solution, > usually depending on the specific hardware and software > combination you are using. > > The Raidz i install was from the manual, so how come there is nothing in the manual showing one how to boot it? It is not complex by any means > >> Asked how well does grub2 work and how does one install it. answer >> crikets.  searchging the web produces info from 2009 and earlier, that >> dog don't hunt. > > In the context of dual-booting FreeBSD / Linux, Grub2 has > come up a few times at least on _this_ list, if I remember > correctly. Check if the mailing list archive can help. How > to install Grub2 is a question that the documentation of > Grub2 should provide. ;-) > > well the docs do show one how to make it work, freebsd could integrate it into to things....would not hurt any one much to do that. Then freebsd would have a newer boot loader instead of the achient one they have now. > >>>> Some of the issues: >>>> >>>> Lack of direction. >>>> >>>> No transactions in pkg. One "bad" package and your system doesn't boot, >>>> so dig out the USB drive >>> That exactly is the situation on Linux, where even the kernel >>> is just a package. FreeBSD has a strong barrier between the >>> operating system and 3rd party applications (that come from >>> the ports collection). Even with damaged ports (or with _no_ >>> ports), the system will still boot. Sure, certain additional >>> services might not be started, but that's not a problem for >>> the OS. In worst case, /usr/local is removed altogether, its >>> structure rebuilt from the /etc/mtree/ file, pkg gets boot- >>> strapped - and you're ready to install new ports cleanly. >>> The OS does not care. >> Not really I have built scratch built linux versions for 10 years and >> have less than 10% of the problems I have had with FreeBSD. > > Never _personally_ suffered from it, but I had to help several > fellow sysadmins dealing with "the upgrade ate my system" kind > of trouble. So this definitely happens. And we're talking about > a massive _system_ problem, not just some random application > coredumping or just printing error messages after an upgrade. > > However, the wise choice of the Linux distribution has big > effects on what kind of errors you get, and how many, and how > often. Recovery plans, backups, failover systems and so on > can also be very useful, just in case. So if your boss tells > you to install a crappy desktop Linux on a server, doesn't > allow backups ("Disks are expensive!"), and urges you to > do updates at 10 a.m. so he can "observe" you... well... > you know what you'll get. :-) > I don't do linux distributions, I roll my own Who is "he" anyway? > > >>> However, I am not sure how the new packaging approach will >>> handle this. As you might have read, pkg will be used for >>> installing and upgrading OS files in the future, so there >>> will not be the big difference "freebsd-update" and "pkg >>> update" / "pkg upgrade". >> >> I suspect it will kill systems with a ge=reat deal of regulaity > > At the current development stage, this could be possible. > But I think when the packaged base will be the default, > it should work _at least_ as good as the current method > (freebsd-update). From the wiki page, you can see that there > is still work to do, so it's clearly optional at this point. The manner at which packaged base has taken is just horrific I'll be dead before it is of any value. It really shows me that the devels are way behind the 8 ball. Most on here don't even know why one should build packages in a "clean room" let alone know why you should only build packages with a user account. > >>>> source head in-stability, or you could say base instability. >>> Only tested and verified changes will be in RELEASE. Then >>> there is STABLE, which only contains additional components >>> that will be in the next RELEASE. From here, security patches >>> will be "extracted", so they can be applied to RELEASE. And >>> finally, there's CURRENT or HEAD. This is where development >>> takes place. A feature might be added, and the build from >>> source breaks. A few hours later, ir builds again, but the >>> result makes the system crash upon reboot. Next day, the >>> added feature is entirely gone. This is fully acceptable >>> for the HEAD branch. >> >> I have used all of the different base repos,  none of them are what I >> would call stable.  I can not count on a release or version to work out >> of the box,  some did most did not or only with a struggle. > > I have no idea what you're doing, but it seems that you are > either doing something wrong (I don't assume you do), or you're > doing something too different, non-standard, discouraged. I'm > using FreeBSD since 4.0 and never got the kind of problems you > are describing - but that just says I'm doing things obviously > different than you. No insult. Actually, I have both systems > that were "never" updated (still running) and those that > receive regular updates (still running as well). What I am doing is simple, you folks like to wrap it up into some complete ball from outer space. Install an OS to use as a toolchain fetch source and build system Install the built system Add packages to create Desktop/servers boxes. See Really simple. I have been doing that with Linux since 1998. > > > >>> Common consensus is to use RELEASE and the security patches. >>> This can be done with freebsd-update easily. For those who >>> wish to experiment with bleeding-edge software, STABLE is >>> the right choice, but it requires building from source. >>> And those who are applying experimental (!) changes, for >>> example kernel and OS developers, or testers, use HEAD, >>> fully aware of what I mentioned before. >> >> I've heard that bedtime story all too many times. > > It seems to be reality for the majority of FreeBSD users, and > it is consistent with the descriptions of the development > cycle of FreeBSD. > What is the average uptime? I have a raspberry pi running Arch linux with an up time of over 3 years. It will be retired when I finish my scratch built linux system for a Raspberry Pi 3. The Arch system on the pi was built by me, I don't use binaryies from any source. Binary blobs for hardware excepted. If I can not compile it I don't use it. > > >>>> ports in-stability... I was using Head then I was told to use quarterly >>>> and then told that it does not receive security updates, well not all >>>> and not on a regular basis. Then I was told to use head WTF? >>> You are mixing ports and OS. The ports tree (and the >>> corresponding repository) can be reset at RELEASE, you >>> can choose a quarterly updated branch (often used in >>> combination with a RELEASE-pX system), or you can keep >>> your ports tree as current as possible. You can use tools >>> like portsnap (snapshots) or svn (tracking), or just use >>> the ports tree that came with your RELEASE install - it >>> depends on what kind of software (versions) you intend to >>> run. Always (!) choose your tools depending on the task. >>> There is no "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow". ;-) >>> >> I mixed no ports,  you see I created meta-ports to install a standard >> set of packages and when changing port repos removed all the packages >> and rm -rf /usr/local, then built and installed the meta-port package. > > Maybe you misunderstood: > > "Mixing ports and OS" refers to confusing OS updates with ports > updates (and OS installation with ports installation for that > matter) - compare it to Linux where you don't have something like > "the OS" per se, instead it's a selection of individual packages > made by the distribution maintainers about what they consider the > core functionality of their distribution. If one builds a base OS and adds "ports" there is no mixing. I have heard too many people say that. I see no evidence. If I am running version 9 why should compiling the "latest ports" not work. You seem to think I build ports on version 11.0 and intend to run them on 10.3. Just not the case. > > Meta-ports are just an abstraction of ports ("ports that contain, > or better, require other ports"), nothing wrong here. They have > nothing to do with the OS and its version (RELEASE, STABLE, HEAD), > except you have a specific requirement that for example RELEASE > doesn't fulfill (yet), but STABLE already does. > meta-packages are everything...if you know what you are doing. I use just 4 meta-ports with synth to install a freebsd desktop. > > >>>> Hell most people here don't even know why you should be building in a >>>> clean room and you should build packages as a user not as root. >>> Nothing wrong with building packages as root (if you use >>> the /usr/ports tree manually). For _installing_ packages, >>> you'll need root permissions anyway, or do you wish Hinz & Kunz >>> to be able to install arbitrary software on your system, with >>> an ugly surprise for you later? ;-) >> >> There is every thing wrong with building packages as root.  On my >> scratch built systems you build all the packages as a user.  You only >> need to run the package manager as root to install them as any sane >> admin should know. > > I think you don't see the whole picture here. > A port usually defines dependencies. Those are runtime dependencies > and build dependencies. If a build dependency is encountered, for > example a specific compiler, this needs to be installed first, > which of course requires root level access (as the installation > will go to the /usr/local subtree in order to be usable). I can build a complete scratch built linux base OS as a user and never have to run root at all. Root is only used when installed the scratch built system. > > Of course just compiling stuff is possible from a regular user > account (given that working directories and maybe a staging area > can be written to). It would _maybe_ (!) be possible to temporarily > install build dependencies (as mentioned above) into such a location > as long as root level access isn't needed for execution. > That is why you have a "build system". I build a gcc toolchain just to build the "new system". You can not boot strap an OS with out building a tool chain to separate you from the host OS. > >>>> You >>>> should not even use root even when you do the make install. Tried to >>>> tell them why, all I got was "shut up you know nothing". >>> Keep in mind that FreeBSD is (among others) a multi-user system, >>> and that's why even on a PC you have a regular user and a root >>> user. The non-root user can damaga his own $HOME as he likes, >>> but should he be allowed to damage the whole system? Maybe for >>> other users to suffer? No, that's the wrong approach. >> >> Linux is not multi user?  I beg to differ > > I didn't say it wasn't. Don't read things I didn't write. :-) > > > >>> On Linux, "wget http://app.example.com | sudo bash" has become >>> quite common. Do you think this is a good idea? Please read the >>> command line, more than once, and look at each individual part. >>> You'll find at least 5 things that are wrong... ;-) >>> >>> You _can_ install software locally (i. e., local to your user >>> account), this is possible, but it often creates more problems >>> than it solves. However, if you know what you're doing, there >>> is nothing wrong with it. >>> >> >> This has nothing to do with installing software to your home directory. > > The key is that being a regular user usually restricts you to > your $HOME and a few other locations, so in worst case, if you > install some arbitrary crap given the command illustrated above, > all your data is encrypted, deleted, or whatever. But the system > cannot be harmed. The "| sudo bash" is the real danger, especially > when it's conveniently set up to not ask for a password (and be > accessible this way from _all_ user accounts). > Swing and a miss. you are out in left field. > > >> You have proved my point that FreeBSD users/admins etc do not understand >> at all what I am trying to say. > > That might be possible. I can only speak for myself. Keep in mind > English is not my native language. > > > >> Hell they won't even attempt to have a conversion about it let alone a >> thought. > > This is generally a bad attitude. Still polite language and good > knowledge of terminology and design (of OS, of filesystem, of > ports infrastructure, etc.) are an important aspect to show. > I am not going to waste any more time on freebsd. > > >>>> no packaged base, the packaged base just isn't usable, and no one wants >>>> to listen to alternatives. >>> This is something still in development (and with potential of >>> improvement). If implemented in a reliable and secure manner, >>> it will probably be a positive thing. But only time will tell. >>> >> >> Well it WAS promised for release 11.0. > > Yes, I read that. But would you like to have something becoming > mandatory which doesn't really work as expected? Just think about > the sc -> vt trouble! :-) > > No I would like when a project is going to be undertaken that the folks bringing the project would have had an project scope and then used some GANTT charing to see if what they are proposing is doable in the time slot allotted. Hell it looks like the devls here just start hacking on things without any direction. > >> Isn't 11.0 on EOL? > > From the release information https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ it > seems... yes. A few days ago (2017-11-30, today is 2017-12-13). > > > >> The whole >> process that is currently being used to package base in not sound. >> Again no one wanted to listen to different ways to go about packaging >> base.  I was going to do that but the amount of work for me to do that >> on my own was greater than if I just go back to my scratch built >> systems..  Which would YOU do? > > As long as you don't _need_ a packaged base, stay with what > works for you. And if FreeBSD _in general_ doesn't work for > you, use Linux instead. There is nothing wrong doing so. > As long as you grant me that and I am allowed........ > >>>> After trying packaged base no one could tell >>>> me how to go back to the "old" method of updating base. >>> You also cannot go back from pkg-based ports to the old way, >>> because it's not supported anymore, the build environments >>> do not exist anymore, and the old ways don't work anymore. >>> >>> But in your specific problem, downloading the source (with >>> a RELEASE version preferred), from the distribution tarball >>> or via svn, then building from source (as explained in the >>> comment header of /usr/src/Makefile), should work. >>> >> I did source upgrades. > > Did so myself for a long time, with custom kernel, configuration > tweaked to meet the exact hardware. But nowadays - maybe I'm just > getting older! - I prefer to use binary updates for OS and ports. > FOr me, this works as intended, and there is hardly a need to > build stuff from source. > I see build from source as security issue....A good habit as I know what was installed. Yes some one could place a back door in the source but it would not be likely > >> Here then is a good example of what hacks me >> off.  People think they know what some one else was doing and then go >> about telling them how they are doing everything wrong when it has not >> even been established what the process or environment is. > > This is very problematic, I can understand. > > > >>>> I >>>> found a way and it was trival. I have not updated base since 11.0 p10 >>>> as I am not up for fixing any breakage if it would occur. >>> If I remember correctly, 11.0 doesn't use pkg-base as a default. >>> >> Well it was implied that that was to be the future starting with 11.0 > > Maybe in 12.0 then. :-) > > I'll never see 12.0, Hell from 11.0 to 11.1 didn't go well for some folks. > >>>> Lack of ability to use modern graphics cards on the "desktop", it seems >>>> to have taken a back seat to pkg development. >>> Nonsense. Even though you have to think before you buy, there are >>> lots of modern graphics cards that work well on FreeBSD. And if >>> you don't have a problem using nVidia's binary drivers, they >>> usually work quite nicely and enable you a plethora of 3D stuff. >>> And pkg has nothing to do with it, as those binary drivers are >>> distributed binarily, so nothing can be ported. :-) >>> >> >> Not nonsense look here https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics. >> >> It only works with Radeon HD 7660 or earlier.  Radeon HD 7700 and later >> nope. >> Nvidia only to GTX 960. > > Now you can imagine the horror I feel when I need to buy > new hardware. That's why I'm using old hardware, simply > because it just works(TM)(R)(C). :-) > > Note the opening paragraph: "The tables below are not an > exhaustive list of supported hardware." > > But... maybe I have a misunderstanding of what the wiki > page you mentioned is about. At a point, it reads: > "Radeon video cards: AGP cards not supported before > FreeBSD 10-CURRENT". I've been using an ATi Radeon 9200 > (or was it a 9600?) for many years with FreeBSD 5 and 7, > with full 3D support! What was my problem? ;-) > > Well on linux I can walk into the local computer store and buy the current AMD graphics card and run it... freebsd never, unless I run it in vesa mode.... Oh yea I will run out and buy a $500.00 graphics card just to run vesa.. I can see that now. > >>>> The move from gcc to clang does not appear to me to have been completed. >>>> BTW what is wrong with GCC, works for me. >>> It is primarily a licensing _and_ modularity issue. Of course >>> you can use gcc _and_ clang on the same system. Building certain >>> ports requires gcc, and sometimes requires a _specific_ gcc >>> version. Nothing wrong here. >> >> Except there are ports the will not build with GCC that use to. > > The port maintainer should be notified that the Makefile > needs some alteration. > > I have notified port maintainers many a time, they can not be bothered. Three years later and no fix no response. > >>>> If one is going to be doing major changes how about doing them one at a >>>> time and actually finishing them. >>> I wish they had been doing this with sc -> vt, but no... you want >>> X _and_ text mode? NO SOUP FOR YOU! ;-) >>> >> >> Exactly my point.  When you work for a mega corp (billions of dollars) >> you learn how to roll things out where they work 95% of the time.  Yes >> you have things happen,  FreeBSD seems to make a mess every time >> something is rolled out.  See the difference? > > As I said, I follow FreeBSD since 4.0, and to be honest, the > problem sc -> vt is the _first_ thing (at OS responsibility) > that I find really annoying. Except for this specific case, > FreeBSD never failed for me in this area. > You time will come. > >>>> So you see I see freebsd as a nightmare on elm street, so I need to >>>> return to something stable and something that makes sense. >>>> Incapatibilies plays a part too. >>>> >>>> Which for me will be my own "scratch built distro". >>> Nothing wrong with that. I've been using "UNIX-like" distros >>> like Slackware and Gentoo as well as "preconfigured" distros >>> of and on, as well as "Linux from scratch". Experience and >>> knowledge can be obtained that way. But every time I tried >>> something that should be stable, fast, reliable, predictable, >>> secure and easy to use in production, I always cam back to >>> using FreeBSD. - Needless to say, this is my very individual >>> opinion and experience, and I don't claim it will (or can) >>> be the same for everyone everywhere at every time. :-) >> >> Well rolling out systems can be as easy as this. >> >> Boot USB drive with os. >> partition drive(s) >> install file systems >> install base package - with boot loader >> install function package >>     like: >>     server-dhcp >>     server-mail >>     server-name >>     server-ftp >>     server-file >>     desktop-kde >>     desktop-gnome >>     desk-lumina >> >> just a few of my "meta" installation packages > > The question is: In how far should packages be considered > base or function? Is a mail server optional? I'm primarily > thinking about inter-OS communication (e. g., cron), but > you are probably thining about something more complex > (like including MTA, MDA, etc.). > No I taylor make the "port list" for each function, I create a meta-port with what is needed. > >> tickle a few config files and your done.  One could even install >> multiple "function meta packages on a single machine. > > Why "even"? One of FreeBSD's strength is that you can > easily have a server on your desktop. :-) > You go right ahead and do that, I am not even going there. > >> This is how I install FreeBSD but with the base package missing. >> But I am told I am a rank amature and know nothing of value. > > You're definitely not a "know nothing" from what you explain. > So that is why no one wants to listen? I know about what I am doing so I can not be listened to, so the devs path will not diviate? > >> FreeBSD is harder to do this way because of non-packed base and boot >> loader issues.  Also with a broken getent makes it harder to >> programmically install user into the system. > > Yes, ripping apart what initially has been one functional unit > will cause problems. And imagine the fun when the system cannot > start because the scripts require a new shell that hasn't been > packaged yet for the base. :-) > Don't have a clue about what you are saying > >> It is also how I install my scratch built systems. >> This works on my scratch built systems no matter the disk >> configuration,  RAID, LVM, MBR or GPT.  it don't matter > > Those aspects don't matter when it comes to software installation, > as everything already happens "invisibly" at VFS level. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 15 04:36:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41669E9A54B for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08216668E9 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id d16so16160178itj.1 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:36:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HksZGD8Cv0VHbfs50wxnvK5g3Xajcck67cDF8dXvGNE=; b=Wm61sIlXrMxcK2s5RYqSsiY5TdbyVEDSoArY924rWY7DG7bdI6gZE8UBrM3DykjaFN U7s0UJ8LG8t/sPxZSHjtV7QlWMlc+9zvNUm+J4fT+PYy2huozbgDivLmfNsLj29IWTQb 3ION+eJa+yAaMxpkSG4ykewsyVmHNjOd6XO7e3EFKjJ51KbmppVsADc/sW5RolUqwuYH /WtS++Nn5xGyvVIcbv+hsafv9y+caXBWhOBD4KLuj+E/23YNVVK1q6z2RbtkYRgnK4Xw op1ubkzrUI6hRq8fPuz4Z70cXGMUgh8V8CD2/9/PnpF20tl+3VDQlpJJJZxVqbN4tLzk 0EEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HksZGD8Cv0VHbfs50wxnvK5g3Xajcck67cDF8dXvGNE=; b=b+R6pdW2PzQ5w+m5w8p+3Vo22YF0TPmowuA/hea6hfuVzhA0IAKlf36FBaC9uCfADp 3LY2bLuOeJzicQpmYIwKbdO+Z1ngPAJe3uCGhd4JnSwFEgMcoFkfiPZh5OkZVw66oPO/ ebR6JwKkGyy3+o6qA+F6iW1pohDElgCyCRu2GcR9vNMuiGJn+ew8vTqEAQ/u1kfXEgbE 8Cjc4Uk4A/74neGfPGhpK2rbGAuqrT0bgQphdDskowyRTCWewomHe1qKi59y/g9ZYiUp AqEqFglxNtbgHhNT6cG9ZJ3ihmnbgyue4Gumzl/eanGIuVikZwPyYPYzfQqWObGNjUSv II0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mIGb4OqwxyYyFhf67UhI8qecBXca1l0B2ewTgO+GU2o6dZbqoJc EAXW0pZ61IZxawY2GWqkWjUSsWNPkvyHIRHrr3zgCA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBovMF600H8Uzc7WMYhrGnUEDD4Aj734fUjUucUzYVs0/xoTT8Ap9zWw03/bS0mg6fRXoZ+/Y/Q0iGQFhQPIw9is= X-Received: by 10.36.116.135 with SMTP id o129mr5946405itc.119.1513312585067; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:36:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <34331.107.77.207.211.1512384505.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <0545699d-9df7-ced2-4990-27e3ecb8e531@ShaneWare.Biz> <22836.128.135.52.6.1513189941.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <52115.10.150.179.124.1513276825.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <52115.10.150.179.124.1513276825.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:36:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CUDA under FreeBSD To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Cc: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:36:26 -0000 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017, 02:40 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > On Wed, December 13, 2017 8:43 pm, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Valeri Galtsev > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, December 5, 2017 4:04 am, Carmel NY wrote: > >> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 2:53 AM, Shane Ambler stated: > >> >> On 04/12/2017 21:19, galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu wrote: > >> >> > On Mon, December 4, 2017 4:24 am, Carmel NY wrote: > >> >> >> Out of morbid curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could tell me > >> the > >> real reason that Nvidia does not support CUDA under > >> >> > > >> >> > Arrogance would be my guess. > >> >> The morbid part is that they give us the linux libcuda, so we should > >> be > >> able to > >> >> run linux binaries that use cuda, just not native apps. > >> >> >> FreeBSD? Also, what are the realistic expectations for it getting > >> supported shortly? > >> >> > > >> >> > Zero is my estimate. The way to let one's steam about them is just > >> not > >> >> > to buy ther hardware. Their attitude to open sourse and > >> unwillingness > >> to disclose details of their hardware was always much worse than that > >> of their competitors (ATI/AMD, matrox...). > >> >> > > >> >> > This is just my opinion based on my subjective observations. > >> > > >> > Personally, I have always considered Nvidia products to be superior. > >> > >> Well, this is just your subjective opinion opposing my subjective > >> opinion. > >> With all due respect. > >> > >> I have seen nvidia chips giving artifacts (probably after mild overheat, > >> really just mild). I can not compare some product (to consider it > >> superior > >> to another) if I can not use that product fully under variety of systems > >> _I_ use. And the last is true about nvidia video chips. As opposed to > >> variety of their competitors. > >> > >> At some point Apple agreed with me (well, of course independent on me > >> made > >> up their opinion ;-). There were infamous MacBook Pro 15 inch made by > >> Apple somewhere around 2012. These contained discrete video chip by > >> NVIDIA > >> (in addition to integrated on intel CPU substrate... I'm lying, it was > >> inside CPU case, but etched on different substrate...). Anyway, there > >> was > >> some crap about that NVIDIA chip, so Apple didn't manage to make later > >> releases of MacOS work with later hardware and with that 2012 MacBook > >> Pro, > >> kernel just crashed inside NVIDIA kernel module. Apple even had (really > >> short lived) program of replacing that hardware, realizing that this is > >> just crap. Program closed very quickly, so only small portion of bad > >> hardware was actually replaced. My guess is: nvidia decided not to carry > >> their side of financial losses. After which Apple made good IMHO > >> decision, > >> and switched over to AMD (which are actually bought out by AMD well > >> known > >> ATI). Incidentally, way back someone made excellent argument when > >> comparing ATI with NVIDIA. Here it is: NVIDIA releases new drivers (or > >> driver updates) almost monthly. ATI takes about half a year to release > >> driver. From which the conclusion can be made (which I fully agree with) > >> that ATI thoroughly tests and debugs drivers before releasing them (and > >> doesn't need to fix crap in the driver soon after release). Not true > >> about > >> NVIDIA, whose drivers quite likely are much buggier. > >> > >> Anyway, just my observations, potentially a bit biased by the fact that > >> NVIDIA discloses much less about chip internals than, say, ATI (hence > >> the > >> ability or lack of such by open source driver developers to write decent > >> open source drivers. > >> > >> > > >> >> I'm sure on an episode of bsdnow, they mentioned asking an nvidia dev > >> at > >> >> one of the conferences and they said there shouldn't be any technical > >> reason, it just isn't enabled in the build and they would look into it. > >> Still hasn't helped any. > >> > > >> > >> Which just confirms that individual developer is likely less arrogant > >> than > >> a company as a whole. > >> > >> Well, all I said is just my subjective opinion based on my (by no means > >> thorough) observations. > >> > >> Valeri > >> > >> > Interesting. I was not aware of that. It would seem to me that there > >> should be more of an > >> > concerted effort to get this issue resolved. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Carmel > >> > > >> > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Valeri Galtsev > >> Sr System Administrator > >> Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > >> Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > >> University of Chicago > >> Phone: 773-702-4247 > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > Here's a thorough overview of the history of ATI/AMD vs NVIDIA it's a > > three > > part but very good, for those who want to know. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6TiSdKT0A > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd1bp9eSfwo > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-YM_3YBm0 > > The only trouble I have with your links above is: you have misrepresented > what they are. They are not overview of history of ATI/AMD vs NVIDIA as > you said. They are very nice NVIDIA commercials. > > Valeri > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I don't see how you could call those nvidia commercials if u actually listened to the content of the videos and watch nvidia business practices. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Dec 15 10:48:56 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF2FEA2850 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from outbound.ifdnrg.com (outbound2.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "outbound.ifdnrg.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55FAE70CEC for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:48:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from [192.168.0.11] (38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by outbound.ifdnrg.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id vBFAXL4M070237 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:33:23 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) X-Authentication-Warning: outbound.ifdnrg.com: Host 38.156-30-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk [62.30.156.38] claimed to be [192.168.0.11] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Paul Macdonald Subject: Bhyve + Ubuntu change RAM allocation Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:33:24 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:48:56 -0000 Hi I have a ubuntu VM installed under Bhyve, but seem unable to change the RAM alocation from the current 2GB to 4. I have managed to create a 2nd VM with this allocation, but would prefer to just allocate ram to the first one grub-bhyve  -m device.map -r hd0,msdos1  -M 2048M ubuntu bhyve  -w -AI -H -P -s 0:0,hostbridge  \ -s 1:0,lpc -s 2:0,virtio-net,tap0 \ -s 3:0,virtio-blk,./ubuntu.img \ -l com1,stdio -c 2 \ -m 2048M ubuntu i;ve updated to be grub-bhyve  -m device.map -r hd0,msdos1  -M 4096M ubuntu bhyve  -w -AI -H -P -s 0:0,hostbridge  \ -s 1:0,lpc -s 2:0,virtio-net,tap0 \ -s 3:0,virtio-blk,./ubuntu.img \ -l com1,stdio -c 2 \ -m 4096M ubuntu but it complains about not being able to allocate memory. The box is a slightly greedy ZFS box, but even adding 10MB to the alocation above givrs rise to a warning re unable to allocate memory, failed to start VM. (and a 2nd VM was installed fine, and both run with the additional ram, so zfs is releasing ok). am i missing something? Paul. 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Thanks & Regards, Neil Patel Web Development & Design Expert --------------------------------- [image: beacon] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 16 16:58:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5596AE87FC8 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf0-x22b.google.com (mail-pf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 231196A9C2 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tetrosalame@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id j124so7981017pfc.2 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:58:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WPmlucuOdwAFmYVbfj1hGc2QUsCbvqZYb7ivEWCj/sc=; b=S7o+yTvbEjRZLqb57j0AzIq9P2OS/BjhSTuLb9JXgtKyzf397OVO6Wm6tawGfquxqV qqIyn5ZSjOtFE1NvbNmcThs2dEkT9tYJjSGaCokBy19gPcX4jeP7gPfaj6itYmnANuyS ID7QGmjTaIXVLNznM4njsl9B1X50ViZAqcqHjW2Yf7MZfwpqk4MKnV1D5GDJVLDBy81/ b6iMUvEWIVRPSqNRALYcbxfKi6Ow+h2pZ2anEKbxzwcTDbG4KFFdI4PBacfn4+hQWkMu 97aab8No/4w0YQlydRB/T0uEAt+PVqZazmsXgc3tXWtT6cpXrtAu6D8T9aZ/n7iaQvQp Im0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WPmlucuOdwAFmYVbfj1hGc2QUsCbvqZYb7ivEWCj/sc=; b=WbOYsCdggK5AuCdbI+bMkBl9BO/pKP+yTMAAj+Ymht/h3uwFQ/5XVm3E/lTfhuOzAq byikrC3R7F4iao9VnCDTmIz5rBJf3m52Ttm857jGETRV9VYzpvXwapHBU+Oz/Er39Aqb wF3WRj14yDN8wf8+Yeg4NPj/Y0ee/rZY+MJ06Qzlr6FF1+u0suYcrIPcqHv6JArUXcvQ dCUk4BwIKnWS39CRRRL26yhbYSKE4YdG9+9YxlgpomqaW1IySjxEMyAoymQWVZML2x6p En7OZcXbZeNxNFPit7b4xR5l8Jb5jZaxaQ+s2FI7Qez1x8wIqAJeDVX6EziDkgNYiqq6 K5jQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKgVM9rsyeK8pTrNhKMhUOOUMRqxh5GcqT/kuVgEcwuT26J1Ec0 txARgQdI7R500Qb9J6jTCoMNN52qXUsTWuzYqX8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotvHVrnAeQeluB7KCiAfNI65kLByEbGlTX63n+hQOekKMcvw//oC2YYV+o2Qcprtc8Sgeb0gfE1jBAMyqxLgVc= X-Received: by 10.98.75.68 with SMTP id y65mr17009381pfa.78.1513443527602; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:58:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.156.136 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 08:58:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171214190758.GA1648@avalon.thwn> References: <20171212185233.GA1732@avalon.thwn> <20171213192321.GA1651@avalon.thwn> <20171213203512.268d8006.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171214190758.GA1648@avalon.thwn> From: Tetro Salame Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:58:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.1 on Soekris NET4501. Storage issue To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:58:48 -0000 On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM, fml wrote: > > > Thank you and Mike but...no progress. > It still can't mount root (ada0s1a) and the list of GEOM managed > disk devices is empty. > > I follow up my own message to thank you all for your kind suggestions: i tryied them all. It still doesn't work, FreeBSD doesn't "see" the internal CF. Kernel is GENERIC i386 with: options CPU_SOEKRIS options CPU_GEODE options CPU_ELAN options HZ=150 added. It's so weird...NET4501 is plain-old ATA. f. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Dec 16 18:09:16 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42F3E89C7F for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward102p.mail.yandex.net (forward102p.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FE936CE30 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from mxback9g.mail.yandex.net (mxback9g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:170]) by forward102p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id CAA0343040B6 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:09:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (smtp2o.mail.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::26]) by mxback9g.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id toFhmz8bSC-9CmSKoAo; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:09:12 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1513447752; bh=huc5e7uC03cxWPi6ACxTQYIFE+9Q29VGkYBldL/G2MI=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=uNdIcF0LyC/JVjAB/464bbo/9CzmXTZm9CSQVVHZASy5sACxEiblGXU30NOdZ18RM hbYSuAh6Y8z3XI37wMNcubJ4JwozctCeaT5mpyXjrvQFJDg0X6k0rJQd3qgVJTBnAd Ml4hkrOn1jOpudDspLRcY1ntPKdWNTqbH0GAsUzA= Received: by smtp2o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id LGNZkgD0qb-9BCaWr3W; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:09:11 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1513447752; bh=huc5e7uC03cxWPi6ACxTQYIFE+9Q29VGkYBldL/G2MI=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date; b=uNdIcF0LyC/JVjAB/464bbo/9CzmXTZm9CSQVVHZASy5sACxEiblGXU30NOdZ18RM hbYSuAh6Y8z3XI37wMNcubJ4JwozctCeaT5mpyXjrvQFJDg0X6k0rJQd3qgVJTBnAd Ml4hkrOn1jOpudDspLRcY1ntPKdWNTqbH0GAsUzA= Authentication-Results: smtp2o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Message-ID: <1513447749.62024.1.camel@yandex.com> Subject: hd firecuda From: Stari Karp To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:09:09 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:09:16 -0000 Hi! I am running FreeBSD on iMac 11,1 and my hard drive is going down. I am looking for the new one. First I look for the same one which is 80$ and I found Seagate 2.0TB FireCuda Solid State Hybrid drive which is less expensive than SSD drive and for me will be good choice: Specifications: https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST2000DX002/ I do not know if will be problem with FreeBSD. On computer is the only OS FreeBSD. Thank you very much. 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Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from btw.pki2.com (btw.pki2.com [IPv6:2001:470:a:6fd::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C5477520A for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by btw.pki2.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vBGLSGwL019722; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@pki2.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pki2.com; s=pki2; t=1513459697; bh=1LxNCqCsML7vDUq8Su39Fb/eKpOPg1AlFinnRJI9GqQ=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References; z=Subject:=20Re:=20hd=20firecuda|From:=20Dennis=20Glatting=20|To:=20Stari=20Karp=20,=20FreeBS D=20Questions=0D=0A=09=20|Date:=20S at,=2016=20Dec=202017=2013:28:16=20-0800|In-Reply-To:=20<151344774 9.62024.1.camel@yandex.com>|References:=20<1513447749.62024.1.came l@yandex.com>; b=o5Tag5RoPGkm6kL9Jcz8i1/qkrrjLQxDtrRvrmYGHTh3T7e+JMoEcWWY7fodcbvrb 49Yha7sysYoNG9bl8ULfvV5XUqmmt05twu3IjlniOFG7HEsrSF5d4xbyuJjh/JvXMH H4G4n142NFCwGoZZA7c2dpuQ/1XL16hqV65hYZ0dP/bdwFrNbL2nWVIcOZmqkd3NiW c11gxMq2TU3D60Gc3JF8/bm0AUmxY9P+FQGe2fxsjHSJ78jMfkb8mNnto/xYcrPyB+ kEIs0upEvJNSvRmsgdPxNOfjyEgTC2dVTrw1Ue79x7vMRm6H6iizFXRmFqYBxLdbAF nVTze+nb7hQ7A== Message-ID: <1513459696.992.7.camel@pki2.com> Subject: Re: hd firecuda From: Dennis Glatting To: Stari Karp , FreeBSD Questions Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:28:16 -0800 In-Reply-To: <1513447749.62024.1.camel@yandex.com> References: <1513447749.62024.1.camel@yandex.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.24.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner-ID: vBGLSGwL019722 X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: freebsd@pki2.com X-Spam-Status: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:28:23 -0000 On Sat, 2017-12-16 at 13:09 -0500, Stari Karp wrote: > Hi! > > I am running FreeBSD on iMac 11,1 and my hard drive is going down. I > am > looking for the new one. First I look for the same one which is 80$ > and I found Seagate 2.0TB FireCuda Solid State Hybrid drive which is > less expensive than SSD drive and for me will be good choice: > Specifications: https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST2000DX002/ > > I do not know if will be problem with FreeBSD. On computer is the > only > OS FreeBSD. > > Thank you very much. > I am using 1T FireCudas in RAID1 under a LSI 9211. I think I have that configuration on four servers now. They work fine. This is what I am using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IEKG484/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpa ge?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I can't say how well they work on your hardware, BIOS, etc. > SK > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org"