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Date:      Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:03:48 +0200
From:      Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait)
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S t o p  spreading misinformation, stop spreading FUD!

It's hard to ignore such replies. On almost all other mailing lists the
moderation bit already would have been set.

Note, you aren't doing FreeBSD a favour by spreading untruth about
other operating systems. Subscribers of this list don't hate FreeBSD,
so even promo based on facts, without bashing other operating systems
is unneeded.

I never claimed that it is evil to make money by programming and
selling software. I also never claimed that you need to buy a hardware
+ operating system + user app bundle put together by a dealer. "bundle"
is for the right hardware, for the right operating system, for the
right user application, which results in the right tool. The right tool
for a landscape artist is a tablet PC with a pencil. The landscape
artist needs a tablet PC, an operating system that does run on a tablet
PC with pencil and a drawing app that does run on the operating system.
You need a bundle, even if you are the one who put it together.

Thanks to GNU you will hardly find many legal Linux distribution that
are binary only ;), let alone that the FUD you spread about "largely
non-standardized methods of build from source with no real way of
making sure you have all the required packages to compile against" is
ridiculous. You are just unqualified. If you dislike split Linux
packages, just chose a distro that doesn't split software from upstream
into packages for the binaries, libraries, headers, e.g. Arch Linux. If
you don't like Linux at all, don't care about it at all. However, even
distros that split software from upstream into several packages tend to
provide a fine user manual, e.g. Debian and Ubuntu.

As an example, gimp:

Arch Linux: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gimp/
It's a single package.

Debian (and Ubuntu) tracker:
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gimp
It's a split package.

    gimp
    gimp-data
    libgimp2.0
    libgimp2.0-dev
    libgimp2.0-doc

You even don't need to read a fine manual to take a look at the control
and rules files:

https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/g/gimp/control-2.10.18-1
https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/g/gimp/rules-2.10.18-1

To understand some things of those files you might need to read the fine
manual.

Arch PKGBUILDs are scripts, so you can already understand them without
using a fine manual.

While Arch Linux provides a *BSD port alike build system, even distros
that do not, such as Debian and Ubuntu, don't split the source packages.
IOW if you download a source package, to build a new edited package, by
following the fine manual, you don't need to worry about the split
package policy.

A "computers for self purpose" is for a computer that isn't used as a
useful tool in a special non-computer domain, it's for a computer that
is just used as computer in a native computer domain. I do not mean
for "selfish purposes".

There's a difference between coders who have got knowledge about
computers and a special native non-computer domain, such as music,
drawing art, elementary particle physics, bookkeeping etc. and coders
who only have knowledge about computers.

I never met somebody who needs software or who is writing software in a
domain that is not a computer domain in the first place and who cares
about all that generalized pros and cons of different operating systems
and licenses. What _we_ (I'm one of them) usually chose is the
platform/bundle that fits best to the user's and/or developer's needs,
so we sometimes end up with different hardware and different operating
systems and different licensed software for different purposes.

The trousers I wear are made by a different vendor than the guitars I
play. The operating system I'm using for one purpose could be another
operating system, than what I'm using for another purpose. I'm not the
only one who does chose a tool that fits to the purpose instead of
taking care about generalisation. Even within a very special domain
generalisation tends to be inaccurate.



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