Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 22:09:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> To: Chuck Robey <chuckr@telenix.org> Cc: Manolis Kiagias <sonicy@otenet.gr>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Gary Gatten <Ggatten@waddell.com> Subject: Re: What is this forum for? Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.0905302202450.20032@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> In-Reply-To: <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><alpine.BSF.2.00.0905281553001.60364@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de><b79ecaef0905281004h7a1f40cvb65f005d9ebe5318@mail.gmail.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.0905282136080.61809@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.0905282157560.62341@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <alpine.BSF.2.00.0905282216260.62503@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <alpine.BSF.2.00.0905282245350.62803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <alpine.BSF.2.00.0905301719100.18381@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org>
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> Wojciech, you want to respect POLA: the principle of least astonishment. It's could you explain this more. really first time i read this phrase :) > not often applied to things like mailing lists, but folks exepct to see tech > support on FreeBSD-Questions, me too, support about FREEBSD, not spam about others. and things like FreeBSD-boosterisms and flamewars > on FreeBSD-chat, where they really are within the list rules. > > Expecting any possible solution to work 100% of the time (especially anything i don't expect it to work 100% of time, but most of time. current slution doesn't work most of the time, giving 10% about FreeBSD and 90% off-topic, even excluding "flamewars". > dealing with humans) is a very unfair tactic in trying to justify any view. > What you want to look for is a solution that causes the least problems, and > respecting the list rules does that. Where are this rules defined? best with moderation BUT EVEN WITHOUT, but with clearly defined rules on webpage it could be efficient. the more clear - the more efficient. possibly some most-common examples to make it even clearer. > It won't fix all problems, but it does > keep the noise level on our lists to a minimum, and maximizes the amount of help > that can be passed on our lists. Help at all or help about FreeBSD. if at all - then let it be about everything. >> Another question - some of you said that "outdated" hardware is welcome >> too as gifts for FreeBSD team. >> >> I actually have lots of them, and NON-typical things, that would be >> useful. I prepared a list, and can make photos. >> >> I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe he is >> just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. > > just got this after a day: --- Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:47:08 +0400 From: Boris Samorodov <bsam@ipt.ru> To: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Subject: Re: sponsoring On Fri, 29 May 2009 22:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > you said that "outdated hardware" are very welcome. No, I had never said it. Please, stop spamming me. --- OK so fuck off Boris, but we were talking some time ago about dumping potential sponsors ;) anyone want to see my mail(s) it was a reply to?
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