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Date:      Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:39:39 +0100
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        Larry Lile <lile@stdio.com>
Cc:        Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, cvs-all@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Current status of the olicom fracas. 
Message-ID:  <17328.919622379@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:15:36 EST." <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902211231580.8061-100000@heathers.stdio.com> 

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In message <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902211231580.8061-100000@heathers.stdio.com>, Larry 
Lile writes:

>> Quoting from the back of the 2.2.8 CD:
>> 
>> 	"The system comes with complete source[...]"
>
>I was making direct reference to your statement about your personal
>position.  
>
>But, could we look in to changing the statement on the CD to cover my
>one small heresy?

That is where my position comes in:  I'm against such a small change,
because of the wide ramification it will have further down the road.

>> I don't mind you writing a driver, I think it is fine.  But if the
>> driver for one reason or another cannot pass that particular hurdle,
>> then I cannot see how it belongs in the FreeBSD *source* tree.
>
>My driver does "if_oltr.c", the Olicom interface "trlld.o" is the point
>of contention, correct?  Sorry, just trying to get my labels on good and
>tight.

Well, in my terminology
	"the driver" == "every file you need to make it work"

>> A committer should for instance be able to figure out that some
>> kind of copyright notice would have to be put in there to describe
>> where the files came from and what rules if any apply to their
>> use.
>
>And I should have provided him with that.  

and failing to do that, he should have asked for it...

>> And I feel I have a certain weight on this issue, since I am in
>> the exact same situation as you are with the M-systems DOC2K driver
>> which I maintain (http://phk.freebsd.dk/doc2k)
>
>Maybe this will lead to an acceptable solution for your problem.

I don't find my situation unacceptable.  M-systems wants the protect
their sources which is fine, but they can't have that AND prime
precense in a free OS which comes with *complete* sources.

You can have you cake, or you can eat it, but not both.

>Sorry my responses are taking so long, I am just trying remain calm
>and dispassionate about this.  I do not want to loose my temper.

That is indeed a spirit we could use more 'round here, keep at it.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp             FreeBSD coreteam member
phk@FreeBSD.ORG               "Real hackers run -current on their laptop."
FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far!


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