From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 03:46:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403F416A4D0; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D5843D1D; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1B51PI-00066w-00; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:46:20 +0100 Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (GW3Qd8Z-Qe93bzE+cgkALqqAAmXV5o42ePFLCiGl6-+sjXvrt+HFEH@[217.83.27.8]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1B51P7-1ahSNs0; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:46:09 +0100 Received: from Magellan.Leidinger.net (Magellan.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.1]) i2LBk7ko071142; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:46:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Magellan.Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2LBk7vZ004272; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:46:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:46:06 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Trevor Johnson Message-Id: <20040321124606.1013f682@Magellan.Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: <20040321042730.V93457@blues.jpj.net> References: <200403201452.i2KEqJ9b039309@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040320234846.GA39998@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040321042730.V93457@blues.jpj.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Seen: false X-ID: GW3Qd8Z-Qe93bzE+cgkALqqAAmXV5o42ePFLCiGl6-+sjXvrt+HFEH@t-dialin.net cc: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org cc: trevor@FreeBSD.org cc: ports-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/audio/lame Makefile X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:46:36 -0000 On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:41:22 -0500 (EST) Trevor Johnson wrote: A little side note: I'm listed as one of the maintainers of lame at the SF project page. > > > Log: > > > Trevor thinks we may be seen as a manufacturer of lame if we distribute > > > packages, so mark the port as NO_PACKAGE for patent licensing > > > reasons. > > > > > > The distfile is safe to distribute. > > My recommendation was that "it would be best to mark it RESTRICTED". AFAIK: Restricted implies "do not distribute the source". But distributing the source is ok. Only distributing binary packages is questionable. That's the reason we don't offer binaries at SF. I talked with another developer of lame, he knows more about the legal restrictions. He told me that he and another guy are distributing binaries of lame on their own. So far Thomson is either not aware of this (but both people distribute lame since a long time), or Thomson doesn't care about them (either because lame is distributed for free, or because some people at Thomson have enough knowledge to know they aren't able to get (enough) money out of something which is distributed for free), or Thomson doesn't thinks they are manufacturers (even if one of the developers of lame distributes binaries on his own). I hadn't marked lame as some kind of restricted so far, since Thomson wants to see money only from developers or from manufacturers (see http://www.mp3licensing.com/)). I don't see us as manufacturers, but Trevor told me, we could be interpreted as manufacturers. Since english isn't my native language, and I may not be aware of every aspect of the word "manufacturer", I suggest to discuss this and tell me about the final outcome (or just revert my last commit instead of telling me the result). > > This has wide implications for the ports tree (e.g. it prevents GNOME > > and KDE from being installed via packages). > > When I do > > grep lame /usr/ports/INDEX|cut -f1 -d\| > > I see 36 packages. I don't see how GNOME is involved, and KDE only seems > to be via kdemultimedia. A simple expedient would be to remove > kdemultimedia from the KDE metaport. AFAIK GNOME uses lame only if compiled WITH_LAME. > > Clearly this interpretation of the legality of redistributing lame is > > not standard. > > Well, let's see. > > The authors of the program warn us that > > Using the LAME encoding engine (or other mp3 encoding technology) in > your software may require a patent license in some countries. Thomson doesn't offer a license to users, they want to see a big transaction from the developers/manufacturers of an mp3 encoder instead. Bye, Alexander. -- I will be available to get hired in April 2004. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7