Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 23:53:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Ihor Antonov <ihor@antonovs.family> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com>, Steve O'Hara-Smith <steve@sohara.org>, freebsd-questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Rust in base Message-ID: <1678077549.5929.1579910015816.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> In-Reply-To: <20200125003136.a1485866.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <775662956.5865.1579896175788.JavaMail.zimbra@antonovs.family> <20200124221319.d4e7fa438cbb1f30da10af2d@sohara.org> <CAHu1Y70UmJB=cgq=an_gqv4ao==H2t5wCxqOudMO_mpX8Ra-pA@mail.gmail.com> <20200125003136.a1485866.freebsd@edvax.de>
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> >=20 > > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 20:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Ihor Antonov > > > <ihor@antonovs.family> wrote: > > > > > > > So there are 2 questions: - technical one: how bootstrapping issue = can > > > > be solved? - what does FreeBSD community think of the idea to have > > > > Rust in base? > > > > > > Some years back a great deal of work was done to remove perl = from > > > the base so adding Rust (or anything else) would be a step ba= ck. > > > An old BSD goal is that base should be just enough to be self > > > hosting and be BSD (removing the traditional games from the b= ase > > > took some discussion). > > > > > > > > As a fellow embedded guy, +1 to what Steve says. Even things in the "B= ase" > > should probably have package db entries so they can be removed. > > Target systems don't necessarily need a compiler or a full tool chain. > > Then we can converge on a consensus set of basic tools that most people > > will need, with the opportunity to remove them =E2=80=93 rather than cr= eating a > > mini/micro/nano-FreeBSD > I just hope it doesn't bring us the "joy" known from Linux land where a > failed update (in this context: of application software, here: installed > ports / packages) will render the whole system unusable beyong recovery..= . > "even the kernel is a package". ;-) Thanks your for replies,=20 I have probably mixed different things into one bag. Base should be as minimalist / configurable as people need. If you are doing embedded indeed= you don't need toolchain on your target system, all you need is the binary code that does exactly and only what you need. What I meant is probably not "bring rust into base", but more like "allow Rust(or Oberon, or any other language that fits the purpose) software in th= e lower levels of the system", without compromising flexibility/configuration= of the system. And breaking base into smaller packages would help greatly here= . > That is a "longer term goal", but development is heading into the directi= on > of making the base OS more modular, and finally abandoning freebsd-update= in > favor of "pkg for base". It would enable FreeBSD to become even more suit= able > for "specialized applications" where you intendedly want a minimal or > tailored footprint of the OS. Polytropon, can you share elaborate on this? Who is doing this? How can one participate in this effort? Thanks, Ihor
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