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Date:      Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:08:54 -0700
From:      Mike Smith <msmith@freebsd.org>
To:        Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>
Cc:        Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm@mithrandr.moria.org>, "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Mike Pritchard <mpp@mppsystems.com>, arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Import of tcsh into src/contrib/, replacing src/usr.bin/csh 
Message-ID:  <200004071908.MAA00665@mass.cdrom.com>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:45:07 PDT." <38EE1093.BA03E28@gorean.org> 

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> > On Fri 2000-04-07 (06:25), Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > It took me all of 4 commands and I was already running into diffences,
> > > mainly in the ``command completion'' that O'Brien wants this for.  Well,
> > > tcsh and csh are quite diffent in how they do file name completion.
> > >
> > > 2 key strokes is not a penalty I am going to pay.  (esc vs esc esc).
> > 
> > bindkey  complete-word
> 
> 	I think Neil brings up a good point here. How hard would it be for the
> proponents of the change to create a dot file that causes the new tcsh
> to emulate the behavior of the old tcsh that's currently installed? Then
> the people with finger habits (which I fully sympathize with, I install
> bash just about everywhere for the same reason) will be able to have
> their cake and eat it too.

Single-esc completion is a stupid idea (ANSI terminals use it for other
purposes).  The few people that are unhappy right now can probably survive
either by not using the cursor keys or by learning to hit <tab> like
everyone else has been for a decade or so.

Right now, the issue seems to be between one or two csh diehards and 
thousands of users that want a better default shell.  I don't think 
there's any level of suffering on the part of the former party that isn't 
justified by catering to the latter in this case.

-- 
\\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\  Mike Smith
\\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
\\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime.             \\  msmith@cdrom.com






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