Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:26:33 -0500 From: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: Anatoli <me@anatoli.ws> Cc: Wesley <wesley@freenetMail.de>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <ACE27C81-9437-41D6-BBD4-FA7A7B791428@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws>
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> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:26 PM, Anatoli <me@anatoli.ws> wrote: >=20 > IMO >=20 > * FreeBSD: servers (performance, stability, relative security, zfs), > competes directly with Linux >=20 > * OpenBSD: routers/firewalls, desktops (the most secure OS The most secure=E2=80=A6 if you dismiss the fact that one of the = developer (who wrote network stack if my memory serves me) was = simultaneously receiving payments from one of three letter agencies for = several years. Valeri > and a really > good desktop, but its absence of server-class performance is its > weakest side + no zfs (just ffs2) and limited virtualization (no SMP) > so not suitable for any serious server load where absolute security = is > not a must). The king in its niche (paranoid security) >=20 > * NetBSD: toasters & freezers (runs on anything, otherwise not sure > what's the point :), competes with FreeBSD and Linux (and Linux now > supports more archs/platforms than Net). IMO no clear vision and thus > attracts too little resources both human and economic. IMO midterm = not > much hope for survival, same as DFly and smaller BSDs. >=20 > I believe that OS development is an economy of scale (doing things = more > efficiently or having other advantaged with increasing size) with a > tendency for a monopoly in the same niche. >=20 > There are some features that the larger players establish as a > commodity, but that are very time-intensive and complex to develop = (e.g. > virtualization, wifi ac and now ax). So what Linux implemented more = than > a decade ago, the BSDs are just catching up now. >=20 > Linux world had 2 "obstacles" to its almost flawless growth recently > (systemd and a ZFS alternative). Now that the things have almost = settled > up, if they don't commit any more serious errors I don't see how the > BSDs (except OpenBSD as it's not a direct competitor) could compete = with > it in the long term. >=20 > Now with ZoL/OpenZFS the long-term future even for FreeBSD is not that > clear (and the recent iX decisions [1] [2] are a clear sign). >=20 > [1] = https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/truenas-isnt-abandoning-bsd-but-it= -is-adopting-linux/ > [2] https://www.truenas.com/TrueOS-Discontinuation/ >=20 >=20 > On 7/6/20 22:35, Wesley wrote: >> greetings, >>=20 >> There were freebsd and netbsd (maybe others?) in BSD world. >> What points did they focus by design? >> what are their use scenes then? >>=20 >> Thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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