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Date:      Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:51:24 -0500
From:      Charles Swiger <cswiger@mac.com>
To:        ports@freebsd.org
Cc:        =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
Subject:   Re: USE_RC_SUBR
Message-ID:  <2E8DD385-55B9-11D8-882E-003065ABFD92@mac.com>
In-Reply-To: <xzpsmhuc7ot.fsf@dwp.des.no>
References:  <xzpsmhuef9m.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1075666428.89887.6.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <xzpsmhuc7ot.fsf@dwp.des.no>

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On Feb 2, 2004, at 1:32 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote:
> Another issue with rc.subr is POLA.  Previously, anything listed in
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d would start at boot time (or when you ran the
> script manually).  Now, though, ports using rc.subr don't start unless
> you explicitly enable them in /etc/rc.conf.  The startup script will
> simply do nothing, with no warning to the user.  [ ... ]

Strongly agreed.  You've described the conflict with previous behavior=20=

and user expectations admirably.

> I'm not going to start an argument about the desirability of this; the
> point is that people need to be made aware of it.

Would something like this help:

--- rc.subr~    Fri Sep 26 11:52:23 2003
+++ rc.subr     Mon Feb  2 14:41:39 2004
@@ -516,6 +516,8 @@
                                         #
         if [ -n "${rcvar}" -a "$rc_arg" !=3D "rcvar" ]; then
                 if ! checkyesno ${rcvar}; then
+                       echo "Unable to ${rc_arg} ${name}: ${rcvar} not=20=

set."
+                       echo "(Check /etc/rc.conf or try=20
'force${rc_arg}'...)"
                         return 0
                 fi
         fi

This addresses the concern of a startup script not doing anything and=20
not displaying any indication to the user that the command did not run.=20=

  It suggests to the user what they should change, and where, and also=20=

tells them how to use something like "forcestart" or "forcestop" if=20
they still want to invoke the script manually.

I that life would be better, or less astonishing :-), if rcvar=20
defaulted to "y" for manual invocation and for startup scripts in=20
/usr/local/etc/rc.d...

--=20
-Chuck



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