Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:29:57 -0800 From: Beech Rintoul <akbeech@anchoragerescue.org> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, "Morsal Roudbay" <morsal@swipnet.se> Cc: "J S" <spl1t_h0r1z0n@usa.net>, "Giorgos Keramidas" <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: [Re: spammers] Message-ID: <01071708295700.03664@galaxy.anchoragerescue.org> In-Reply-To: <000901c10e68$98d88980$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: <000901c10e68$98d88980$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
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On Monday 16 July 2001 06:31 pm, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Morsal Roudbay > >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 4:04 AM > > > >Ted, > >As u say, the ISPs dont bother if they get a single complaint.. that's > > what I have experienced... I really dont see why this list cant be > > closed, feel free to explain why it would work better open as it is now.. > > I frankly don't have a preference myself - however I don't run this list. > While I could concoct reasons why it is open I really don't know why the > list maintainer has chosen it to be open. I do know that managing the > servers and this list does create work for somebody, and I wouldn't > presume to tell that person how to do their job unless I was prepared to > take it over. ;-) > > Let me point out one thing though - since the list is publically searchable > there's nothing preventing a spammer from harvesting lots of juicy e-mail > addresses from the archives. While blocking spam from the list does have > a certain attraction, it's like sticking a finger in a dike made of Swiss > cheese. > > Just a FYI - I've written plenty of material on various sites on how to > block spam, if you want to pursue some of it I can give you the links > offline. One thing I've come to the conclusion is that nothing works > as well as content filtering. After all, how many legitimate piece of > mail do you get that contain the string "This message sent in accordance > with the federal regulations (insert ficticious house bill number here)" > or containing the word "cum" (is that even a word?) However content > filtering is very political to a number of people who don't like the > Big Brotherish aspect or are afraid that even the most carefully > constructed filtration database will block legitimate mail. > > When given a choice between constructing a system where the onus is on the > users to do something, or the onus is on the administrator to do something, > the BSD folks have generally opted for local control over administrative > control. This is a paradigm thing and your not going to change it. System > V by contrast to BSD has voted for the strong administrative control. So I > guess it's no surprise that the BSD mailing lists are set up to where the > onus is on the users to block spam if they so choose. Inefficient, > perhaps, but there's a certain freedom to that system that isn't present in > one where filtering was done at the central mailing host. > > Ted Mittelstaedt > tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD > Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: > http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > While it may be true that some ISP's don't respond to spam complaints, most take the problem seriously. As an example here's a response I received this morning: On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 09:22:59 -0800, Beech Rintoul wrote: > Hello, > The spammer below is either using your resources to send out bulk > unsolicited commercial e-mail ("spam") or is deceptively trying to make it > look like he is. In either case, a legitimate company like yours probably > would not approve. The information below should be all you need. > > Beech Rintoul - IT Manager Hello Mr. Rintoul, thank you for the important message. Some our customers have a problem with your own Mailserver (relaying problem). We ask to for apology. We set appropriate filters for the three Mailserver of our customers. Excuse me and a nice day from Hamburg -[ Germany] Sascha Wilkniss If we don't complain the problem isn't going to get better. Beech ------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - IT Manager - Instructor - akbeech@anchoragerescue.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Anchorage Gospel Rescue Mission \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | P.O. Box 230510 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99523-0510 / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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