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Date:      Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:50:12 -0700
From:      Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>
To:        Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>
Cc:        =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: New Boot Loader Menu
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On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Devin Teske wrote:

> On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>=20
>> - Have you considered high resolution screens/fonts; there are some =
already in FreeBSD hooked into syscons, but that's available later on at =
boot? I mention this because there's a lot of wasted real estate on my =
30" or 24" LCDs when I boot up FreeBSD.
>=20
> Adding screen real-estate won't help. Menus (and any of the maximum =
65535 submenus) are always limited to 9 maximum menu items.
>=20
> A significant overhaul of the Forth code would be required to =
accommodate more than 9 menu items per-menu.
>=20
> Currently, if a 10th menuitem were rendered (assuming I lifted the =
boundary-checks), it would be rendered as such:
>=20
> =85
> 8. Eighth Item
> 9. Ninth Item
> 1. Tenth item
> =85
>=20
> Worse, you press "8" to invoke the 8th item, "9" to invoke the 9th =
item, but ":" to invoke the 10th item (wait, what?)
>=20
> Yes, ":" to invoke the 10th item. Because currently ASCII keycodes are =
used to associate menu items. The next character after "9" is ":".

:(=85 Understood.

>> I'd like to see sketches or a general idea of what you have in mind =
before investing too much time in a direction that doesn't bear a lot of =
fruit. I'm sure others here agree.
>=20
> Sorry, but I'm the infrastructure guy. I provide the framework. I'll =
leave it to the community to decide how to use that framework. I'm =
leaving it in jpaetzel's, avg's, and mav's very capable hands to utilize =
my framework in whatever way they see fit.
>=20
> They came to me with a need. I filled that need. If the community =
doesn't want it, I'll just dump it into DruidBSD and use it there until =
someone wants it.

Ok. I wasn't aware of the language constraints with Forth (I've dabbled =
very briefly in it, but I am by no means even a novice), and now I =
better understand some of the issues you're facing.

Thanks for the explanation! I'll try to be more less critical next time.

-Garrett=



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