Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:00:09 +0000 From: setantae <setantae@submonkey.net> To: Anthony Atkielski <anthony@atkielski.com> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: home pc use Message-ID: <20011120150009.GA78153@rhadamanth> In-Reply-To: <001f01c171cf$430e8ac0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <20011119220243.A268@prayforwind.com> <009a01c171a9$4eedbee0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120023948.A92409@xor.obsecurity.org> <00df01c171b0$2a938be0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120105642.GA75918@rhadamanth> <012d01c171b6$96b5adc0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120114236.GA76431@rhadamanth> <005f01c171bf$c4d06b10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011120131850.GA77414@rhadamanth> <001f01c171cf$430e8ac0$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
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On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 03:25:37PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Ceri writes: > > > Who said anything about cloning Windows ? > > I did. A realistic GUI environment for me would have to be a virtual clone of > Windows, because virtually all the applications I use are Windows-only > applications. We are talking about window managers. Window managers don't run applications. It's perfectly possible to run applications such as Netscape without a window manager. You are in the wrong argument. > > According to the archives, you installed > > FreeBSD on 31st Oct, 2001. > > Yes, but I first worked on an operating system considerably prior to that date. This is not the someotheroperatingsystem-questions@FreeBSD.org list. > > You then proceeded to ask what portmap was. > > You were amazed that one needs a different kernel > > to enable SMP. You never heard of the rehash > > command in csh. > > Yes. So? This was intended to be taken along with the sentence below. > > These are not FreeBSD specific problems. > > They are characteristic of UNIX, or of some other OSes in isolation > (multiprocessor support). Yes, and you never heard of them, therefore your statement (which I include below, since you snipped it) make no sense. > It is thus very easy and valid to make "sweeping comments" > concerning UNIX, whether or not one happens to be one of the world's five > greatest experts on the system. > > All of these are things that one could expect > > from someone with only 3 weeks experience of an > > OS, but I honestly think that you would benefit > > from doing some background reading. > > Thank you for your suggestion. > > I was hoping that you might offer more information on FreeBSD, instead of your > armchair evaluation of my competence in IT. I evaluated your competence with FreeBSD. Nothing more. > If all responses to my questions > and comments were similar, I should indeed be restricted to reading elsewhere to > obtain the information I require. You weren't looking for information in this thread. You were stating that a gui environment on FreeBSD is no more stable than Windows, when you only have three weeks experience with one window manager on FreeBSD. This is what I am raising objection to, and all I have done is politely suggest that you get more experience of the environment on which you are commenting. I will, and have, answered actual questions from yourself on this list. Others will do the same. > > You come here and basically say ``All window > > managers suck.'' > > In a world dominated by Microsoft Windows, any window manager that does not > replicate Windows functionality effectively sucks, from the standpoint of the > average end user. This may not be a pleasant thought, but it is a hard reality. > I may not like everything about Windows, but I do accept that it is the standard > against which all other window systems must be measured. > > > I suggest a window manager that doesn't suck, > > and you say ``I've had my fill''. > > I heard great things about KDE, too, but it turned out to be a disappointment. > So did the default window manager. I can't devote my life to trying to make > UNIX look like Windows. Blackbox doesn't make FreeBSD look like Windows. Not even in the vaguest sense. I thought you were looking for a window manager that doesn't crash. If I'd realised you were looking for one that made FreeBSD look like Windows, I'd have suggested d:\winnt\setup.exe (or whatever). Even if it did look like Windows, it wouldn't run (most of) the applications you need. But then neither would a Mac. If you change operating system then you need to realise and accept that you'll be changing the way you do some things. > > If you seriously wish to use FreeBSD in a > > production environment, then it's even more > > important that you familiarise yourself with > > the system : how to upgrade it, how to install > > new software, how to get the sources, how it is > > different from other systems, how it is similar > > to other systems. You don't seem prepared to > > do this. > > That's what I'm doing, although I've discovered that this list, at least, is > nearly useless for that purpose. You shouldn't be using this list for that purpose. You should be using newbies@FreeBSD.org. > One need only read your own post, and others > like it, and distill the real, useful information they contain, if any, to see > how poorly this list fulfills its nominal role. This is an argument. They rarely contain useful information, in my opinion. If you want useful information, ask a question and don't make statements. > > There is a handbook that a good body of people > > have spent and so spend a considerable amount > > of manhours writing. I *know* that you haven't > > taken the time to read it. > > I've read parts of it that are relevant to what I need to know. It is not the > best-written document I've ever seen, but the alternatives seem to be worse. If you don't like the documentation, please feel free to join the Documentation Project - Write patches for the bits you don't like and send-pr them. Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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