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Date:      Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:36:09 -0500 (EST)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Paul "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Richards=F2?=" <paul@originative.co.uk>
Cc:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, asmodai@wxs.nl, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, grog@lemis.com, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvscommit:  src/sys/netinet ip_output.c])
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010313213211.68787F-100000@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <3AAEA353.B31800B5@originative.co.uk>

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On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Paul Richards=F2=0F wrote:

> I think, from my perspective, that the problem is how to make University
> or other research departments use FreeBSD for their reference platform
> in the first place, so that their work is done through or at least in
> close collaboration with the project. The increasingly anarchic
> structure of the lists and project planning in general does not make it
> easy for serious research to be based on FreeBSD or for the researchers
> themselves to participate in the project. If we're serious about
> maintaining FreeBSD as a leading OS then we should be careful not to
> lose the close associations it once had with leading research.=20

Actually, at the Large Scale Networking Workshop this afternoon (follow-on
to NGI), I overhead a number of rather distressing "We switched from
FreeBSD to Linux for our cutting edge research and development" -- many of
them doing so not based on sound technical reasons (in fact, often in
recognition of technical problems in doing so, such as loss of access to
ALTQ), but rather on the perception that what the world wants is Linux,
and that FreeBSD is failing to generate name recognition and continued
academic involvement.  I don't think I have a grasp of exactly where the
breakdown is occurring, and therefore what the problem/remedy are, but
there is a problem here.  We need continued academic involvement to bring
us these kinds of features, and cannot afford to lose it.  One way we
might approach the problem is to be more aggressive in courting users of
FreeBSD and helping them get the features integrated, and supporting their
needs.  Other aspects problably include PR.  I'm going to follow up some
tomorrow and try to find out why people perceive a benefit in switching to
Linux.

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services



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