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Date:      Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:34:57 -0500 (EST)
From:      "Robert S. Sciuk" <rob@ControlQ.com>
Cc:        arch@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Threads (KSE etc) comments
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0011211632570.42324-100000@schizo.controlq.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.1001121160717.7102A-100000@pcnet1.pcnet.com>

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This may be out of line, but in line with the cpu allocation question, is
there (will there be) a mechanism for processor affinity determination,
and changes??  This is important wrt cache coherency and producer/consumer
type processes/threads.

Just wondering.


On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Daniel Eischen wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > yes, but that gives the ability to use M times as much CPU as a
> > > nonthreaded process.
> > 
> > If you won't give it to me, I'll just take it, instead, either
> > by using rfork() and a shared memory segment for my global data,
> > which gets me the equivalenet of a threaded environment, for all
> > practical purposes, or I'll just fork() and run multiple instances
> > of myself.  Either way, you don't get to tell me not to compete
> > as multiple processes, and I can throw a KSEG based policy out the
> > window, without needing your permission to do it.  Worse, there
> > is additional context switch overhead introduced by this (the
> > same reason Linux kernel threads are a bad idea), and everyone
> > gets to pay the penalty for my application.
> 
> I have to agree with Terry.  You can't dictate what application
> writers will do.  If they want more CPU and they can't get it
> with the threading model we provide, then they will get it
> another way.  Limiting PTHREAD_SCOPE_PROCESS threads to 1 KSEG
> with only 1 quantum doesn't stop someone from [r]fork()'ing
> to get more CPU.
> 
> Let's admit that this is what some applications will want to
> do and allow them to do it within our threading model.  No,
> we won't do it by default, but we can provide simple hooks to
> allow an application to request more "CPU reservations"
> (a KSEG under the current definition).
> 
> Note that I am only talking about scope process threads.
> Scope system threads are bound to their own KSEG/KSE pair.
> 
> -- 
> Dan Eischen
> 
> 
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