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Date:      Wed, 04 May 2005 18:06:17 +0000
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org>
To:        Trevor Sullivan <pcgeek86@gmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: The FreeBSD Handbook, in Wiki form.
Message-ID:  <42790F19.201@chuckr.org>
In-Reply-To: <4278DFC2.5060109@gmail.com>
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Trevor Sullivan wrote:
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  know it's off-topic, but I thought it might surprise some folks, and 
it's possible it could prove important to some, I guess.  Notice the 
words above, about him using the sha-1 hash.  You realize it's been 
broken?  The crypto world is unambiguous about it, and firmly 
reocmmening that everyone immediately move over to using the sha256, 
which is already implemented on FreeBSD.  Since it's already here, and 
hopefully possible (maybe) to modify your amil system to use it, I 
thought I would toss in the data here.

If you would like (as I usually do) to read it from the hourses mouth, 
Bruce Schneier is the best authority around, and here's his take on it:

http://http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.htmlwww.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html

BTW, if you haven't bought his "Applied Cryptography", shame on you.  He 
wrote this thing, and it alone tosses his name up against lights such as 
Richard Stevens, because he explains ALL of the horrible math, explains 
all of the algorithms in detail enouigh to program from, actually 
manages to make it entertaining, and I hope he lives forever.

>  
> Ryan J. Cavicchioni wrote:
> 
> 
>>I would love to see a wiki for FreeBSD. I think that it would be
>>really beneficial for the project. It would take some work to
>>establish it but if there were enough participants, it could turn
>>into a very robust documentation project. Some hard work would be
>>required to make the wiki healthy and to police it but the spirit
>>of a wiki is many users reviewing each other.
>>
>>Benjamin Keating wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A wiki would eliminate that bottle neck (PR). Some parts are out
>>>of date. Others fail to mention FAQ , etc. that could really
>>>help. For instance, the NAT/DHCP articles could easily include a
>>>'typical home user' HOWTO rather then tricking the user into
>>>reading that one line where it says you have to recompile your
>>>kernel with IPFIREWALL support.
>>>
>>>Things like that bring noise to this mailing list. Idon't know
>>>about you but I'd rather just add my new found info to the site
>>>rather find a PR addy, submit it and wait for it to be added. We
>>>have software that does this now. Lets use it! :)
>>>
>>>- bpk
>>>
>>>On 5/3/05, Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 05:00:06PM -0700, Benjamin Keating
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is there anything being done to help keep the handbook just a
>>>>>little more updated? It's a great handbook, if it's content
>>>>>wasn't so out of date.
>>>>
>>>>What is out of date?
>>>>
>>>>Generally, if you want to improve something in the handbook,
>>>>just submit a PR.
>>>>
>>>>Kris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
> Wiki's in general are a great idea, I agree. However, you must still
> consider that anyone can add to a wiki, and the content within could
> become very cumbersome to maintain. It would (still) require the
> FreeBSD development team considerable time to verify what is in it and
> make sure that it isn't going to throw people off. For official
> documentation, I would have to say that a wiki is not the best idea
> (unless it is exclusively maintained by the FreeBSD team). Don't get
> me wrong, wiki's are really cool, but if you want to get down to the
> facts in official documentation, you can't allow it to get out of
> hand. My 2 cents...any thoughts?  :-)
> 
> - -Trevor
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