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Date:      Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:08:14 -0700
From:      Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com>
To:        freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        freebsd-sf@arachna.com
Subject:   SFBAUG Notes
Message-ID:  <199707121908.MAA12381@rah.star-gate.com>

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The SF FreeBSD user's meeting was held last Thursday at the cool offices 
of Silicon Reef located in  3017 17th Street , San Francisco.

At the start of the meeting , I told jkh that he should have a 
FreeBSD 3.0-current snapshot . He just responded by flinging a 
FreeBSD 3.0 -current CDROM snapshot 8) Later on that night , I 
installed that version on my FreeBSD test system and was 
pleasantly surprised at how fast the bits flew from the cdrom to
my disk -- it took less than 5 minutes to drop in X and a base system
with just the binaries 8) The complete install from start to finish
took less than 30 minutes! So we can probably do a complete install
in less than 10 minutes. Is just that setting up X and a couple of
other user level packages slows me down ...

The boot from the CDROM was very, very nice 8)

My FreeBSD test machine is a P133, 32MB , with a IDE CDROM and a 2 gig ide 
disk drive so it is not a very speedy box.

One of the hot topics in the meeting was FreeBSD 3.0 vs. FreeBSD 2.XX
The reason why this is an issue at least for me is because frequently
I get ask if a  package or driver works on FreeBSD 2.X my typical
response is that I don't run FreeBSD 2.X however people have
reported that the package works or doesn't work on FreeBSD 2.x.
On my part, I don't have the resources nor the time to maintain
packages or drivers for both OS versions. When I ask people why
they don't want to upgrade to FreeBSD 3.0? The usual response
is that they are petrified to upgrade to FreeBSD 3.0 .
Typically, I respond by saying that my main box rah.star-gate.com
has been running FreeBSD 3.0-current for the last 6 months  so it can't be 
that unstable. I use my box as a web server, ftp server, telephone 
answering machine, fax machine, e-mail,  and hacking 8) Given that
I am a consultant if I need to communicate with a customer I need
my box up and running.

---

threads, C++,  Java

A fellow from Netscape stated that one of the reasons that they
didn't want to consider doing a port of FastTrack to FreeBSD is 
because the API and pthreads API was not stable. In the case
of pthreads that it was buggy. This is not the only reason
why netscape doesn't want to port to freebsd however I at least
tried to respond to the technical side of the questions.
It was a total surprise to me to find out that more than one
person in the group thought that our threads implementation
was buggy. I responded that one of my customers is using it in a 
mission critical application . jkh responded that 
John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au>, the maintainer of the threads
package, company uses threads for embedable systems.


The other hot topic was better support for C++ and at the heart
of that issue lies the ability to support elf. The issue 
was triggered by the fellow from Netscape that at least in
his company all current development is in C++.  jkh mention
that we shouldn't move to elf just for better support of C++.
This is an interesting dilemma given that if someone wants to
develop C++ using templates they are better off going to some
other OS. One counter argument to at least deflate the
the issue of not going to elf is that some in the industry
think that the future lies in java and that some are concentrating
in the interpreter / compiler to improve java's performance.
This is fine ;however, the question in my mind is how long
do we have to wait till we see a cool java compiler of hopefully
industrial strength.

---

On the lighter side and happy side, jkh issue a strong request
to FreeBSD activist to write articles . He also will match 
$ for $ whatever a publisher pays . I think that he will
pay a minimum of $1000 and  less than $10000 . A concern was raised
that in Japan and in Germany people are writing articles about
FreeBSD and in the case of Japan someone was thinking about
starting a TV show about FreeBSD (not sure if this is true or not
it just simply to wild for me to conceive).

If memory does not fail me the last article published in the US about 
FreeBSD was in 1995.

---

jkh also handed out his first copy of FreeeBSD News which has a nice
article by David Filo, Co-founder of Yahoo!, as to why they chose
FreeBSD for their web servers. It is nice reading so if you haven't received
a copy of FreeBSD News get one ! To register:
http://www.freebsd.org/register.html

	Enjoy,
	Amancio






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