Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho <sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu> To: Brad Laue <brad@brad-x.com> Cc: FreeBSD-Stable <stable@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: [OT] Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0107300756440.17219-100000@quasar.phys.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.31.0107300514310.57312-100000@TMA-1.brad-x.com>
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, Brad Laue wrote: > > > On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > I've put this message couple days ago, almost a week old! I have been a > > FreeBSD user for quite a while and matured enough using this OS in such > > way that I no longer seek help but, most of the time, giving help > > to newbies who just started using FreeBSD. However, I have to tell you > > that I have tried Redhat 7.1 with 2.4.x kernel and it just amazed me in > > every area (performance, hardware support for my fairly new laptop!). > > Good hardware support doesn't imply a solid operating system. Vis: Windows > 2000. Most laptops if not all, support it. Is it viable or usable to you? > I'll let you answer that. > > > My new optical usb mouse doesn't run on FreeBSD. > > Mine does. > > > After some serious thought (it's always very hard to make transition!), > > I have finally decided to switch to Linux for 4 reasons: > > Inability to configure a USB mouse and having bought an incompatible > laptop (you're supposed to research compatibility before purchase. Under > any operating system.) aren't very good reasons in themselves. Let's > continue. > > > 1) KDE, GNOME and other Window managers are only 100% compatible with > > Linux. I've discovered only 90% of KDE and GNOME functionality work on > > FreeBSD. (NO JAVA support! I couldn't get any JAVA applications to run > > on FreeBSD). I'm kind of suspicious about compatibility between GNU C/C++ > > compilers and FreeBSD also. > > Not impressed. I'll try some java applications later this week and let you > know how they go. As for KDE/Gnome, I expect you to function using more > sophisticated means than those which 'do not work under FreeBSD'. I'm > aware of the aspects of both WM's that are incompatible, and this clearly > represents a software quality issue with KDE/Gnome themselves. Perhaps you > need to join their mailinglists and inform them of their mistake. > > GNU/CC is the main compiler for FreeBSD. Both gcc 2.95.3 and 3.0.1CVS work > beautifully under it. > > [Point 2 omitted - covered above] > > > 3) When installing very large files like Mozilla, teTeX and XFree86-4, > > FreeBSD takes forever to install! Even with async option enabled, > > the package for teTeX takes good 15 minutes, Mozilla good 20 minutes to > > unzip and install. It takes forever unzipping XFree86-4 source for > > compilation under FreeBSD. And my machine isn't that archaic, it's 500Mhz, > > 128M, UDMA 33 Hard drive! Under Linux, installing teTeX took only 10 sec or so. > > I don't come up with the same results. My speeds are higher under BSD on > slower hardware (400MHz, 64M). You may want to enable softupdates. ;) > > > 4) None of the NVIDIA cards are supported in FreeBSD. Sure it runs, but > > only with 2D, unaccelerated mode. > > My GeForce2 is quite happy. Then again I'm not a gamer. (I use a Windows > box right next to this one for gaming, but shh don't tell anyone. ;) ) > > > I just wanted clarify that I wasn't bashing FreeBSD. I was mearly > > pointing out my "wishes". Anyways, I will be unsubscribing the FreeBSD stable > > list in couple days or so. If you read my previous messages, you would > > have understood how frustrated I was having to make transition! (I > > probably installed both Redhat and FreeBSD back and forth 10 times last > > week! 3 time this morning before I finally made up my mind.) Now, I need to > > concentrate on physics and less of OS. > > Your insights will be sorely missed. I hope you realise exactly the sort > of operating system you're getting into on a structural level. I do. Why > do you think I switched from there to FreeBSD? > > Have fun with RedHat, > Brad > > // -- www.brad-xcom -- // > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Hi, Brad. Hmm. I knew someone would come out with your answers. No, I infact custom ordered mine directly from factory choosing haradwares that was best supported under Linux/BSD. I don't use prepackaged systems like Dell, Compaq, Gateway etc. There are no such devices as Win modem etc. in my laptop. And, none of the FreeBSD developers were able to get my KENSINGTON MIAB OPTICAL USB mouse to work on this machine. Motherboard is INTEL PII 440/BX based Chipset. I've sent in Kldstat and Dmesg list quite ago as request and still haven't heard from them since. Also, I have no answer for you regarding teTeX, Mozilla, XFree86 not taking long long time to install from your machine! Even installing teTeX straight from FreeBSD CD takes good 10-20 minutes for package add completition. Now, if you didn't know, "async" option is the fastest option there is. Softupdates closely perform to the level of async option without having to use async! I compile XFree86 from source tar balls. It takes good 20 minutes (I haven't timed it with stop watch so give +- something) to unpack and before it starts to ask you questions of options for XFree86. Under Redhat it was atleast 10x faster! And, it's true KDE and GNOME only work 90% on FreeBSD. GNOME 1.4 compatibility is even worse. And, if you can get JAVA to work, it must haven't taken unnecessary steps that I really don't have time to configure as a non programmer. I agree Windows is unstable (although not necessarily 2000) but Redhat hat is rock solid and fast based on my little experience with it so far. The best place to test your JAVA with KDE's konqueror is to go to AOL website and try their JAVA version AIM. I think I tried all java's available in ports collection and none works with konqueror. ** And, no, I'm not a gamer either. But, I don't like wasting my fast graphics board either. ** Regards, Sung N. Cho, Monday, July 30, 2001. Dept. of Physics, Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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