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Date:      Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:55:16 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@village.org>
To:        nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams)
Cc:        Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net>, Mark.Andrews@nominum.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: 4.2-BETA hangs on boot 
Message-ID:  <200011172355.QAA78649@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:45:11 MST." <14869.49927.736257.730814@nomad.yogotech.com> 
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In message <14869.49927.736257.730814@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes:
: FWIW, I switched *from* polling mode to IRQ mode in FreeBSD 2.2.X (can't
: remember) for two reasons:
: 
: 1) suspend/resume works *much* more reliably.  (However, I ended up
:    rewriting the suspend/resume code anyway).
: 2) Too many folks complained that polling didn't work reliably.
: 
: However, I believe the second was related to the fact that there were
: races in the polling code (which came from PAO), such that polling was
: *always* being done, regardless of whether or not the IRQ was being
: used.

Most of the races have been mostly fixed.  However, polling does open
the window.

: Finally, stating the 'PAO' has done it for some time is not (IMO) a
: great argument.  In the past, PAO has done lots of things incorrectly,
: and that things worked at all was merely good luck.

This was more a "and lots of people have installed PAO3 and it doesn't
seem to be a large problem" rather than any other statement.

: Polling 'should' work in all cases, although suspend/resume may not work
: reliably (races and such).  If it doesn't work on Steve's laptop,
: something is messed up with the PCIC probing/setup, since it should work
: fine.

suspend/resume now detaches the cards on suspend, so polling shouldn't
cause any races here.

: The biggest advantage for supporting 'polling by default' is the fact
: that IRQ's are a precious commodity on newer hardware, and 'wasting' one
: just for insertion/removal events seems a waste.

Agreed.  We have to do something for this in NEWCARD or I will go
insane.

: (Steve, on a whim, is PnP turned *OFF* in your BIOS?)

You are the second person to suggest this.

Warner


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