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Date:      Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:15:37 -0800 (PST)
From:      Matthew Jacob <mjacob@feral.com>
To:        Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>
Cc:        Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: config(8) broken 
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0101290914501.23116-100000@beppo.feral.com>
In-Reply-To: <200101291621.f0TGL4453408@mobile.wemm.org>

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*groan* I'm having trouble believing that *config* of all things is now
dependent on time to avoid bugs... This is *one* for the books....


On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Peter Wemm wrote:

> Bruce Evans wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Peter Wemm wrote:
> > 
> > > Bruce Evans wrote:
> > > > Config now removes almost all headers:
> > > > ...
> > > > This is starting from compile directory populated by a previous version
> > > > of config.  Starting from scratch, config seems to work for the first
> > > > run.  The second run complains about all headers, deletes them all, and
> > > > doesn't create any.  The third run seems to work...
> > > 
> > > What are the chances that you did this on a mount -o noatime file system?
> > 
> > Very high :-).
> 
> Heh. :-)
> 
> > I'm surprised the bug doesn't affect fast machines, since config doesn't
> > seem to sleep for >= 1 second to ensure that the atimes advance with
> > the standard mount options.
> 
> I was primarily testing it on a dual P3-733 w/ 1G ram which was running
> config nearly instantly.  I never saw this problem until I tested it
> on a fresh machine that (by sheer chance) happened to be running noatime (it
> was a laptop).  For what it's worth, I did roll the start time back by one
> second to give a bit more comfort - getting rid of the trays isn't all that
> critical.
> 
> For UFS at least, we seem to update the atime instantly but schedule
> writeback to the inode "whenever".
> 
> 148# date ; ls -lutT foo1 ; cat foo1 ; ls -lutT foo1; date
> Mon Jan 29 08:18:02 PST 2001
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  4 Jan 29 08:16:25 2001 foo1
> foo
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  4 Jan 29 08:18:02 2001 foo1
> Mon Jan 29 08:18:02 PST 2001
> 
> This is all within the same second "tick" and the atime change was visible.
> 
> > Bruce
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> -Peter
> --
> Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au
> "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5
> 
> 
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