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Date:      Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:58:19 +0100 (CET)
From:      Rene de Vries <rene@canyon.demon.nl>
To:        freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: beta 0.70 (ii)
Message-ID:  <199901011858.TAA00352@canyon.demon.nl>
In-Reply-To: <19981230135806.A29911@hcswork.hcs.de> from Hellmuth Michaelis at "Dec 30, 98 01:58:06 pm"

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I get the same messages "i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated" when
i pick up a normal (analog) phone (behind a Quadrovox; a small ISDN 'PABX')
and dialing (part of) a number an then putting it down again. It always takes
about 10 secs for the message to show-up.

My config is: a Teles S0/16.3 card and a Quadrovox on the same S0 bus. The
analog phones are then connected to the Quadrovox (there are no ISDN phones
;-().
I am located in the Netherlands.

Here is the isdntrace of the senario described above:

=========== isdntrace controller #0 =========== started Fri Jan  1 19:42:25 1999

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000001 - time:01.01 19:42:29.146517 - length:3 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 73                                              ..s
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, U-Frame: UA PF 1 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000002 - time:01.01 19:42:29.224869 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 02                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 1 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000003 - time:01.01 19:42:29.310381 - length:15 -----
Dump:000  02 c1 00 02                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=96, I-Frame: N(S) 0 N(R) 1 P 0 
Dump:004  08 01 9d 0d 18 01 89 1e 02 82 88                      ...........
Q931: pd=Q.931/I.451, cr=0x1d (from destination), message=SETUP ACKNOWLEDGE: 
     [channel id: channel=B-1 (exclusive)]
     [progress ind: Std=CCITT, Loc=Public network serving local user
          Description: In-band info or appropriate pattern now available]

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000004 - time:01.01 19:42:32.798487 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 04                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 2 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000005 - time:01.01 19:42:33.953760 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 06                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 3 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000006 - time:01.01 19:42:34.590587 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 08                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 4 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000007 - time:01.01 19:42:36.190728 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 0a                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 5 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000008 - time:01.01 19:42:36.766425 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 0c                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 6 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000009 - time:01.01 19:42:37. 21398 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 0e                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 7 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000010 - time:01.01 19:42:40.160047 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 10                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 8 PF 0 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000011 - time:01.01 19:42:50.201022 - length:4 ------
Dump:000  00 c1 01 11                                           ....
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=96, S-Frame: RR N(R) 8 PF 1 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000012 - time:01.01 19:42:50.331116 - length:3 ------
Dump:000  02 c1 53                                              ..S
Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=96, U-Frame: DISC PF 1 

-- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000013 - time:01.01 19:43:00.535110 - length:8 ------
Dump:000  fe ff 03 0f 00 00 04 c1                               ........
Q921: SAP=63 (TEI-Management), C, TEI=127, Ri=0x0000, IdCheckReq, Ai=96

I expect the IdCheckReq to trigger this time-out, it surely happens (as far as
I can see) at the same time.

Rene

> On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:47:45PM +0100, Andreas Gaertner wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote:
> > 
> > > > so this is to be considered absolutely normal, isn't it?
> > > 
> > > No, not quite. What you see is the "persistent deactivation" timeout 
> > > happening, which normally should not appear. Although i have no idea
> > > why it happenes at your site. isdntrace with its various options is
> > > your friend to find it out.
> > 
> > ok, i will check that out. but as a matter of fact these messages show up
> > after an amount of time a telephone call has taken place. 
> 
> I have a telephone connected to my ISDN test box too and there this does
> not show up.
> 
> So either this seems to be normal in certain environments and the messages
> should not be considered an error or the exchange you are conneted to does
> some strange things on the S0 (looking at your domain, is it possible that
> you are connectd to a HICOM ? :-))
> 
> > maybe this is
> > due to isdnd is permanently up because of the call out of /etc/rc.local?
> 
> No.
> 
> hellmuth

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Rene de Vries                    http://www.tcja.nl/~rene; mailto:rene@tcja.nl

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