Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:41:45 -0400 From: Mikhail Teterin <mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com> To: "Andrey A. Chernov" <ache@nagual.pp.ru> Cc: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, anholt@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic Makefile distinfo ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic/files patch-crox1c.bdf patch-crox1cb.bdf patch-crox1cbo.bdf patch-crox1co.bdf patch-crox1h.bdf patch-crox1hb.bdf patch-crox1hbo.bdf patch-crox1ho.bdf ... Message-ID: <200209040841.45490@aldan> In-Reply-To: <20020904034232.GB25145@nagual.pp.ru> References: <200209031042.g83AgFON078508@freefall.freebsd.org> <200209031928.24580.mi%2Bmx@aldan.algebra.com> <20020904034232.GB25145@nagual.pp.ru>
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On Tuesday 03 September 2002 11:42 pm, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: = On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 19:28:24 -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: = > Not clear at all. "Cyrillic" does not mean "Russian" -- just as "Soviet = > Union" does not mean "Russia" :-) The XFree86 project should've received = > this clue long time ago. = It is not the problem I address in my complain. Tell that to XFree86 = project. What I concern about is standards conformance. I'm afraid, you did not quite understand me. I don't suggest we install koi8-u fonts and pretend (in fonts.dir), that they are koi8-r -- that would violate a standard. What I advocate is to populate X11R6/lib/fonts/cyrillic/ with koi8-u fonts instead of the koi8-r. Now, which standard does this violate? = > On the contrary. It is (was) a lot more confusing, when the koi8-r fonts = > were named "Cyrillic", as if other characters did not exist. Maxim's = > commit just fixed that long-standing problem on FreeBSD, and I call = > on you, once again, to relay this fix through your contacts with the = > XFree86 project. = This problem (which I don't address) can't be "fixed" by replacing koi8-r = fonts with koi8-u ones, it leads only to more confusion. The biggest confusion so far, has been Russian-only fonts installed as Cyrillic. Strangely, it did not bother you... And yes, this problem IS perfectly fixable by replacing koi8-r fonts with koi8-u, I still don't see, which standard will be broken, and your e-mail continue to be rather vague. = "Cyrillic" term is not covered by standards, but koi8-r and koi8-u are. Exactly. So, please, cite the standard, that is violated by Maxim's recent change. = It is not subject of "use" but subject of standard conformance, namely = koi8-r and koi8-u standards. Again, which standard is now broken? = I already say what is wrong - obsoleted source base and missing indication = of encoding in the port name. koi8-u is not only Cyrillic exists and not = needs to pretend to be as such, especially when _silently_ replacing = _existen_ koi8-r. There are no standards covering this aspect of port names. Most (all?) names of the ports installing fonts do not specify encodings. Cyrillic never meant koi8-r -- except for some ignorant people -- and was never documented as such. Maxim just brought the port closer to the reasonable expectations. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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