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Date:      Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:13:11 -0700
From:      Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: New Boot Loader Menu
Message-ID:  <48E00D6E-B024-4130-92BA-70ECF1E88480@fisglobal.com>
In-Reply-To: <5071EAEB.9090509@freebsd.org>
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On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Julian Elischer wrote:

> On 10/7/12 1:36 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
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>>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com> writes:
>>>>>> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav <des@des.no> writes:
>>>>>>> What problem are you trying to solve, exactly?
>>>>>> Many in-fact:
>>>>>> [list of things that bear no relation whatsoever to what was actually
>>>>>> in the email I replied to]
>>>> I disagree with your slight that those "things =85 bear no relation wh=
atsoever to what was actually in the e-mail [you] replied to".
>>>>=20
>>>> It only *seem* as those are unrelated. I assure you, they are _very_ r=
elated (and it's very much my mistake for not making it clear in my initial=
 e-mail). I must apologize for this lack of clarity (I try to rectify it be=
low).
>>>>=20
>>>>> Then maybe you should have focused on that in your original email.
>>>>>=20
>>>> Yes, perhaps.
>>>>=20
>>>> Perhaps it would have been better to explain:
>>>>=20
>>>> Hey=85
>>>>=20
>>>> + iX and I are working on enhancing the boot loader menu to include a =
new submenu for selecting a Boot Environment (BE). I'm providing the menu i=
nfrastructure, iX is providing the C code to populate that menu.
>>> Sounds like GRUB/Plymouth's model... sorta.
>>>=20
>>>> + We can't add this new menu item without pigeon-holing ourselves into=
 a position where no more menuitems can be added.
>>> Understood.
>>>=20
>>> ...
>>> - Have you considered high resolution screens/fonts; there are some alr=
eady in FreeBSD hooked into syscons, but that's available later on at boot?=
 I mention this because there's a lot of wasted real estate on my 30" or 24=
" LCDs when I boot up FreeBSD.
>>>=20
>> Adding screen real-estate won't help. Menus (and any of the maximum 6553=
5 submenus) are always limited to 9 maximum menu items.
>>=20
>> A significant overhaul of the Forth code would be required to accommodat=
e more than 9 menu items per-menu.
>>=20
>> Currently, if a 10th menuitem were rendered (assuming I lifted the bound=
ary-checks), it would be rendered as such:
>>=20
>> =85
>> 8. Eighth Item
>> 9. Ninth Item
>> 1. Tenth item
>=20
> A,B,C,D..... Z?
>=20

I wasn't implying that this wasn't possible, just that it's not designed th=
is way currently.

It would be a significant overhaul to support this (_and_ we'd then have to=
 scramble for screen real-estate to support up to 35 menu items -- or perha=
ps more generically support scrolling menus -- though I'm sure that can't b=
e pleasing for the serial console folks to hear).
--=20
Devin


>> =85
>>=20
>> Worse, you press "8" to invoke the 8th item, "9" to invoke the 9th item,=
 but ":" to invoke the 10th item (wait, what?)
>>=20
>> Yes, ":" to invoke the 10th item. Because currently ASCII keycodes are u=
sed to associate menu items. The next character after "9" is ":".
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> I'd like to see sketches or a general idea of what you have in mind bef=
ore investing too much time in a direction that doesn't bear a lot of fruit=
. I'm sure others here agree.
>>>=20
>> Sorry, but I'm the infrastructure guy. I provide the framework. I'll lea=
ve it to the community to decide how to use that framework. I'm leaving it =
in jpaetzel's, avg's, and mav's very capable hands to utilize my framework =
in whatever way they see fit.
>>=20
>> They came to me with a need. I filled that need. If the community doesn'=
t want it, I'll just dump it into DruidBSD and use it there until someone w=
ants it.
>=20

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