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Date:      Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:54:16 -0800
From:      Greg White <gregw-freebsd-stable@greg.cex.ca>
To:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: freebsd.org dns
Message-ID:  <20020330105415.A60561@greg.cex.ca>
In-Reply-To: <200203300806240930.26A8750A@10.25.0.4>; from art@pilikia.net on Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 08:06:24AM -1000
References:  <200203300806240930.26A8750A@10.25.0.4>

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On Sat Mar 03/30/02, 2002 at 08:06:24AM -1000, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote:
> What's up with the broken dns for freebsd.org?
> 
> Mar 30 07:56:08 ns1.pilikia.net sendmail[49553]: g2UHu8X49553: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<art@pilikia.net>, relay=[216.136.204.119], reject=450 4.7.1 <art@pilikia.net>... Relaying temporarily denied. Cannot resolve PTR record for 216.136.204.119
> Mar 30 07:56:09 ns1.pilikia.net sendmail[49553]: g2UHu8X49553: from=<owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, size=3226, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[216.136.204.119]
> 
> I've got a zillion entries like the above in my maillog starting from last nite...

You actually defer mail delivery based on the availability of PTR
records? This is, IMHO, a _spectacularly_ bad idea, and one of the
reasons that this is so is stuff like this. Perhaps sendmail is doing
this 'for' you by default (I stopped running sendmail years ago). I
humbly suggest that you find a way to turn this off. 

> art@ns1.pilikia.net# whois freebsd.org
> 
[snipping some of the useless whois output]
> FREEBSD.ORG.IS.DAMN.ELITE.SO.IS.JIMPHILLIPS.ORG
> FREEBSD.ORG
> 
> To single out one record, look it up with "xxx", where xxx is one of the
> of the records displayed above. If the records are the same, look them up
> with "=xxx" to receive a full display for each record.
> 
> ok authoratative ns is freebsd.org ...

Umm...No. freebsd.org, the host is _not_ an authoritative server for
freebsd.org, the zone*. Read the whois output more carefully. Whois has
told you nothing thanks to the 31337 sk1llz of the folks at
jimphillips.org. Not to mention the fact that the authoritative servers
for the forward lookup zone 'freebsd.org' may or may not be the same
servers authoritative for 119.204.136.216in-addr.arpa, the record you
actually care about -- and in this case, they are not. Asking the
freebsd.org servers will get you nowhere, unless they refer you
somewhere else. :)

A simple walk of the tree for 119.204.136.216.in-addr.arpa leads me to
ns[12345].yahoo.com, all of which are lame for 204.136.216.in-addr.arpa,
and refer back to the roots, which refer you to ARIN, which refer you
back to yahoo, ad nauseam. 

Looks to me like the admins of ns[12345].yahoo.com need to fix their
in-addr.arpa zone(s).

*At least, not by name. Any ability I have to go farther in findout out
depends on PTR records, which we don't got. :)

-- 
Greg White

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