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Date:      Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:33:30 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
Cc:        Gunnar H Reichert-Weygold <patron1@paganlibrary.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Use of the UNIX Trademark
Message-ID:  <20011010133330.I82541@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <000501c15083$5f1787c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 10:29:30PM -0700
References:  <01100820163507.00577@gunnar.weygold.edu> <000501c15083$5f1787c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>

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Long/short syndrome.

On Monday,  8 October 2001 at 22:29:30 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 On  Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM, Gunnar H. Reichert-Weygold wrote:
>>
>> According to "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing: (www.dict.org)
>>
>> (BSD) A family of Unix versions for the
>>     DEC VAX and PDP-11, developed by Bill Joy and others
>>     at the University of California at Berkeley.  BSD Unix
>>     incorporates paged virtual memory, TCP/IP networking
>>     enhancements, and many other features.
>>
>>     BSD UNIX 4.0 was released on 19 October 1980.  The BSD
>>     versions (4.1, 4.2, and 4.3) and the commercial versions
>>     derived from them ({SunOS, ULTRIX, Mt. Xinu, Dynix)
>>     held the technical lead in the Unix world until AT&T's
>>     successful standardisation efforts after about 1986, and are
>>     still widely popular.
>>
>>     See also Berzerkeley, USG Unix.
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like there's going to have to be a LOT of correcting going on...
>>
>> Seriously, though, the above paragraphs would imply prior art, wouldn't they?

Nobody's denying that there was a BSD UNIX.  The question is, is
FreeBSD BSD UNIX?  The answer is "no".  With the removal of the last
of the AT&T code from BSD, it lost the right to be called UNIX.  I
believe this was also part of the out-of-court settlement with AT&T.

> In one of the books or interviews that Dennis Ritchie gave regarding
> the origination of the name UNIX he made the point that the
> engineers told the lawyers at AT&T that the name was UNICS (a pun on
> MULTICS) and it was mis-heard by them as UNIX.  They apparently were
> so hot to get the name trademarked that they rushed the application
> through without ever going back to the engineers.  When Dennis and
> company heard about the mistake they thought it so amusing that they
> adopted the revised name.

This one's new to me.  Do you have a source?  My understanding is that
AT&T didn't trade mark UNIX for quite some time afterwards.

> Certainly The Lawsuit filed btween AT&T and UCB displayed an attempt
> by AT&T to defend use of UNIX because as I understand it, BSDI was
> drawn into the battle due to a marketing campaign where they used
> 1-800-ITS-UNIX on a phone number.

Note also that BSDI immediately backed down on this issue.

Greg
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