Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:47:06 +0100 From: Martin Sugioarto <martin@sugioarto.com> To: "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Cc: Daniel, freebsd-performance@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk>, Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server Message-ID: <20111223074706.1afe4d26@zelda.sugioarto.com> In-Reply-To: <4EF3D68C.2060803@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <xf5fxrkpagw2qf65tk9y2njf.1324492907631@email.android.com> <4EF25468.9040204@gmail.com> <CAOjFWZ7%2Bx61QPB-cO5ppWwY-nCRFvs9P76H_SO%2BCSL41APLwsA@mail.gmail.com> <CADWvR2jVPkLrM686Xhk12U0poV7CCqB3LF_ZbTPTHFKjt%2BdP=g@mail.gmail.com> <4EF2C613.3020609@digsys.bg> <CADWvR2jQMcOrPEzU5Ug4TRp9hxvD6qOVTZYjqqozarA-%2B-DsQw@mail.gmail.com> <4EF3D68C.2060803@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
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--Sig_/jRZwjGURFyHlrz8lFS52Y/6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:17:00 +0100 schrieb "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>: > Benchmarks also could lead developers to look into more details of the > weak points of their OS, if they're open for that. Therefore, > benchmarks are very useful. But not if any real fault of the OS is > excused by a faulty becnhmarking. Hi, it is important for the project to be known and I think that the benchmarks made by Phoronix help FreeBSD to gain popularity, even they look bad sometimes. Furthermore, to make a benchmark is a lot of work and the results are useful, because at the end someone will look at it and will try to improve the results. Thank you for investing your time. I remember that I've made some tests with different platforms i386 vs amd64 with simple tools like "openssl speed" some time ago and got some bad results for amd64 that no one cared to explain. These bad results weren't reflected on Linux that I tested later for comparison. And most people have a weird attitude to think that the tester measures wrong instead of taking a look at it. They forget that as a FreeBSD user you would rather see FreeBSD win over Linux. I've seen that Phoronix made various benchmarks about FreeBSD compared to Linux and I can tell you that _subjectively_ the benchmarks reflect what I always thought about FreeBSD. I simply _know_ that FreeBSD is worse in concurrency behavior, I know that it has I/O trouble, I know that it is mostly faster emulating 3D games than Linux runs them natively. I knew this already _before_ you published the benchmark about the 3D performance. I cannot see any evil intentions in these benchmarks. All I can see is the wrong attitude _here_. If anyone thinks that Phoronix makes bad benchmarks, they should do these benchmarks by themselves and publish the results. As long as no one tries, Phoronix stays the best reference for me and for everyone else. And don't forget, benchmarks can never be objective enough and someone will always be mad about the results. Especially, when you present them a "versus battle". A further thing is that I cannot understand the people here sometimes. I would like that the -RELEASE versions of FreeBSD perform well without any further optimizations. When the distribution does not compile with the latest compiler it's simply a bug. Why should one try to penalize the other distribution and downgrade their binaries? When FreeBSD has a bad default setup, there must be a reason for that. Tell me this reason and show me that it's justified in form of some other benchmark. -- Martin --Sig_/jRZwjGURFyHlrz8lFS52Y/6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJO9CPvAAoJEF8wvLx/5p/7AscP/36ttnZiUG518fD7APAPwH7d 5h1i23jL29L5eF2XECnjk6sqXX8VasM85186oFSQGiOmCPgTNIU32ke/zhpzm3AN wRffG6SwQEfJWz/jxdbTu0plLchBsIzVtxArLfqVgc9MVsxcyp8+PPGolBESWN27 xQrTasf8G8JZB/HbXIrrins/8h+DWOfUn5yTO5OFmYst5H0Iziy9MhKFh/EqvBXn Lj/2V2Gf0qy9ISDXc6lxHdlZmtANP/0QTSuEBovm/5qZAMoOUSKyUlxd6W+XRfKV S1O1BMp3XL9rZOj9kevgNPKUTKy56Asga1Gpo17iAJP7/9TLnpIndrWOnBWi4dgc bHYUHeyOesdNFc5Wx3bIKtwZWFn8alN5wNK4MveTN02k4KmDkB8Kdu1XzW7guKXj TdrK3vRiqZKIf979knEeUvlE/0jhyew6epEawTqa/u3mt5Of+tAWTnMJkF231+K2 iq3ud0FHRGle0AEEKT77KVvh4LS/kpbWy6EEITKNLg2BCh8LWdQOGHc+BBh7IWhz HS154BQs8F27zTuqh7PWWv4iqG9qr7QltNDldtDYEZGw+Vwe5hyFJ7myqaYXQoF8 98U8xwnToL1yqhLwmiPwTWXSYZAGqgdwPqD5xpcC+WAyUJs+fbi4qsTxD5vBPWqn OyTMoFHe1G+9V1/2upYZ =jyvu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/jRZwjGURFyHlrz8lFS52Y/6--
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