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Date:      Sat, 21 Dec 2013 23:14:39 +0100
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Darren Pilgrim <list_freebsd@bluerosetech.com>
Subject:   Re: PACKAGESITE spam
Message-ID:  <20131221221439.GA59524@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net>
In-Reply-To: <20131221213959.GA61238@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
References:  <52B5DF8C.5050204@gmx.com> <20131221200538.GA60827@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20131221201026.GB1730@glenbarber.us> <20131221201403.GB60827@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1312211450130.5630@badger.tharned.org> <20131221210553.GA61158@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <52B60727.8090001@bluerosetech.com> <20131221213959.GA61238@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 01:39:59PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 01:24:55PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> > On 12/21/2013 1:05 PM, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 02:54:39PM -0600, Greg Rivers wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 21 Dec 2013, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> It did not ask how to stop this stupidity.  I asked to have this
> > >>> stupidity stopped by default.  The spewing of this information in
> > >>> /var/log/messages provides NOTHING.  Please turn it off by default.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Do you really feel that strongly about it?  Having a record of chang=
es to
> > >> the system has always seemed like a feature to me...
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yes, I do feel strongly about it.  It is completely unnecesary noise.
> > > It should be off by default.  If someone wants to fill /var up with
> > > useless information, then that someone can turn on the noise.
> >=20
> > It's about what's safe in the common case.  There are significant=20
> > security risks inherent in pkg's activities, so having a written=20
> > external record is the safe option.
> >=20
> > I don't buy the "fill up /var" argument.  If your /var is so small that=
=20
> > pkg's logging risks filling it up, why are you not logging to an=20
> > external syslog server?  There are much more voluminous sources of logs=
=20
> > on a FreeBSD system.
>=20
> It has nothing to do with the size of /var, really.  It is completely
> useless information.  You want to know what package are installed, use
> 'pkg info'.  Packages do not spontaneously install themselves.  If
> your system is so insecure that you are worried that some unpriveleged
> user installed a package, you have bigger problems.
>=20
> --=20
> steve
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Steve
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this has been done and activated for reason, first for lot of companies, it=
 is
important (PCI DSS requirement for example), secondly I receive tons of req=
uest
to actiavte on by default while you are the first to request it off by defa=
ult

Bapt

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