Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:55:07 -0500 From: Matthew Fuller <fullermd@linkfast.net> To: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" <jeroen@vangelderen.org> Cc: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami <asami@freebsd.org>, cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/contrib/tcsh - Imported sources Message-ID: <20000416185507.B43688@linkfast.net> In-Reply-To: <38FA4969.B3BF2DB2@vangelderen.org>; from jeroen@vangelderen.org on Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 07:14:49PM -0400 References: <20000415231805.33B311CD7@overcee.netplex.com.au> <vqcya6e8m81.fsf@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <38FA4969.B3BF2DB2@vangelderen.org>
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[Wow, did that Cc line need trimmed...] [This should also probably not be crossposted as it is] On Sun, Apr 16, 2000 at 07:14:49PM -0400, a little birdie told me that Jeroen C. van Gelderen remarked > Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > > > > I agree with everything except for this part. The root's shell in BSD > > has always been csh for as long as I can remember, and it will violate > > POLA to change it now. (This is from a person who will immediately > > run bash in single-user mode if /usr/local is available and sh -E if > > it is not, so don't take it as a csh crusade.) > > I think you have trade this against how friendly FreeBSD is perceived by > new users. When I first touched FreeBSD I was surprised that the root > shell was utterly useless (to me, a sh user, I'm not saying csh is > useless) and it took me a while to figure out how to change root's > shell. I think the point is a far bigger portions of users are surprised by how unfriendly and useless the root shell is. 'What, I don't have tab completion?' 'What, I don't have <up> <down> command history and editing?' etc. These are, for instance, Linux users, used to bash, or tcsh, or something similar. They quit in disgust and go back to Linux because a simple thing like working as root is useless because we have no decent shells. (Note that this isn't my opinion necessarily, I always use /bin/sh for root for various reasons, but first impressions on converts really count) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@linkfast.net Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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