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Date:      Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:57:34 -0700
From:      Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org>
Cc:        Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com>, dillon@earth.backplane.com, des@ofug.org, silby@silby.com, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: noatimedir? (Re: cvs commit: src/sys/vm vnode_pager.c) 
Message-ID:  <20011013235734.D6B113810@overcee.netplex.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <20011013181245.W59854@elvis.mu.org> 

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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com> [011013 14:54] wrote:
> > On 13 Oct, Matt Dillon wrote:
> >  
> > >     Your particular case may or may  not have anything to do with this
> > >     bug. If  you are running  cvsup or  running a cvsupd  or otherwise
> > >     doing things that  scan the file tree, mounting  with 'noatime' is
> > >     the most important thing you need to do.
> > 
> > BTW, may be, we want to add something like a noatimedir flag?
> 
> That would be a nice addition.

At yahoo, we have a modification to the noatime semantics, that seems quite
a bit more useful..

We have a sysctl (ugh) that sets the maximum atime age of a file at access.

For example, if we set it to 86400 (1 day) then:

  open/read a file that has atime < 1 hour ago:
    no atime update
  open/read a file that has atime < 23 hours ago:
    no atime update
  open/read a file that has atime > 24 hours ago:
    atime gets updated once  (and subsequent access will see the atime reset)

This means that we can guarantee a maximum of one atime update per file. It
also means that the atime on a file is always roughly accurate to within a
day.  This helps us a lot for archiving files that have not been read for
(say) 3 months.

Ideally this should be a mount option, but that then means that ufs needs
to start taking mount *arguments* (like nfs, with all the nfsargs version
incompatabilities), not just binary flags.

Cheers,
-Peter
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Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au
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