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Date:      Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:16:44 +0100
From:      "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@atkielski.com>
To:        "Ken Bolingbroke" <hacker@bolingbroke.com>
Cc:        "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: home pc use
Message-ID:  <011201c17211$0d9b0c00$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0111201314120.99724-100000@fremont.bolingbroke.com>

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Ken writes:

> Face it, countless people use KDE.  You're whining
> about all these bugs, how it's not stable, etc.
> Yet, all these other people, myself included,
> are just using it.  So you couldn't get it to
> work...  Hardware fault?  Driver bugs?  User
> error?  Take your pick.

Okay, what did I do wrong?

> Gee, thanks for calling me a liar.

I haven't done that.

> And you wonder why people aren't falling over
> themselves to help you out of their own goodwill.

Some of them are more worried about trying to defend their religion with
personal attacks.

> Take the current pain-in-the-rear application
> I'm dealing with:  Altiris LabExpert.  It hangs
> regularly, for which I fault Altiris, not Microsoft,
> of course, but the big hassle is that W2K provides
> me no way to completely kill it--even shutting down
> the process from the Task Manager doesn't free
> up the network port it listens on, so it's
> necessary to reboot the server to restart the
> application.

Does the product run with system privileges, or did it require changes to system
files to install?

> Oh?  And pray tell, what's your average uptime
> on your NT system?

I've seen them run for several years at a time.  On my own systems, they usually
ran for a few weeks at a time before I had occasion to shut off the machine.
One of the servers in my office ran continously for a year or two, as I recall.
I had to boot it when some disks went bad, as I recall.  I usually booted
servers periodically to change configurations or reinstall things, as only one
of the systems was a production server.  The ones that ran for years were in the
computer center.

> Those of us that aren't married to Microsoft
> can use whatever _works_.

As long as it doesn't come from Microsoft?  There's no reasoning with religion.


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