Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 14:07:58 -0700 From: Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> To: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org> Cc: snap-users@kame.net, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, ipfilter@coombs.anu.edu.au, altq@csl.sony.co.jp Subject: Re: The future of ALTQ, IPsec & IPFILTER playing together ... Message-ID: <3AEF25AE.56CF384A@isi.edu> References: <3AEEEE79.8F7CC7B0@aurora.regenstrief.org> <3AEEF26B.C6850070@isi.edu> <3AEEF59D.3D5622DE@aurora.regenstrief.org> <3AEEFA06.BA0EB9FD@isi.edu> <3AEF0452.C2FD2651@aurora.regenstrief.org> <3AEF09BF.9F9A7BAB@isi.edu> <3AEF2007.5968E10D@aurora.regenstrief.org>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msDAE0F165E068B0F1E252A5F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gunther Schadow wrote: > Lars, what was your rationale for inventing the ip-tun package? We wrote it a few years back for FreeBSD-3.X, to support X-Bone when no KAME was installed (3.X did not have KAME code merged yet.) I hear there are issues with it under 4.X due to a changed device model, but I think we'll have a student port it over the summer. Then again, nos-tun(8) supports IP-in-IP now, so maybe ip-tun is obsolete. > Did you have good or bad experience with any of those alternatives? Vtun uses UDP encapsulation, which means it's an application level thing (like ssh tunnels). One of the major design objectives of X-Bone was to use off-the-shelf, standardized OS mechanisms, so it didn't qualify. We're trying to provide a pure IP overlay - ideally, you shouldn't be able to tell an overlay network from a real network (e.g. ping, traceroute, DNS, RIP, etc. all "just works"). Application-level tunnels (and layer-2 tunnels) can't support this. (I also personnally don't think UDP encapsulation has any purpose other than tunneling through NATs, which are a bad hack and should die.) GRE encapsulation has functionality not needed for our purposes and adds an extra header, so we decided against it. I have no experience with pipsecd. Lars -- Lars Eggert <larse@isi.edu> Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/larse/ University of Southern California --------------msDAE0F165E068B0F1E252A5F3 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIIIIwYJKoZIhvcNAQcCoIIIFDCCCBACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMAsGCSqGSIb3DQEHAaCC BfQwggLYMIICQaADAgECAgMDIwUwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgZQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxFDASBgNVBAcTC0R1cmJhbnZpbGxlMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZU aGF3dGUxHTAbBgNVBAsTFENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNlcnZpY2VzMSgwJgYDVQQDEx9QZXJzb25h bCBGcmVlbWFpbCBSU0EgMTk5OS45LjE2MB4XDTAwMDgyNDIwMzAwOFoXDTAxMDgyNDIwMzAw OFowVDEPMA0GA1UEBBMGRWdnZXJ0MQ0wCwYDVQQqEwRMYXJzMRQwEgYDVQQDEwtMYXJzIEVn Z2VydDEcMBoGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYNbGFyc2VAaXNpLmVkdTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOB jQAwgYkCgYEAz1yfcNs53rvhuw8gSDvr2+/snP8GduYY7x7WkJdyvcwb4oipNpWYIkMGP214 Zv1KrgvntGaG+jeugAGQt0n64VusgcIzQ6QDRtnMgdQDTAkVSQ2eLRSQka+nAPx6SFKJg79W EEHmgKQBMtZdMBYtYv/mTOcpm7jTJVg+7W6n04UCAwEAAaN3MHUwKgYFK2UBBAEEITAfAgEA MBowGAIBBAQTTDJ1TXlmZkJOVWJOSkpjZFoyczAYBgNVHREEETAPgQ1sYXJzZUBpc2kuZWR1 MAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUiKvxYINmVfTkWMdGHcBhvSPXw4wwDQYJKoZI hvcNAQEEBQADgYEAi65fM/jSCaPhRoA9JW5X2FktSFhE5zkIpFVPpv33GWPPNrncsK13HfZm s0B1rNy2vU7UhFI/vsJQgBJyffkLFgMCjp3uRZvBBjGD1q4yjDO5yfMMjquqBpZtRp5op3lT d01faA58ZCB5sxCb0ORSxvXR8tc9DJO0JIpQILa6vIAwggMUMIICfaADAgECAgELMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBAUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYD VQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9D ZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29u YWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0 ZS5jb20wHhcNOTkwOTE2MTQwMTQwWhcNMDEwOTE1MTQwMTQwWjCBlDELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx FTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLRHVyYmFudmlsbGUxDzANBgNVBAoT BlRoYXd0ZTEdMBsGA1UECxMUQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2VydmljZXMxKDAmBgNVBAMTH1BlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIFJTQSAxOTk5LjkuMTYwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGB ALNpWpfU0BYLerXFXekhnCNyzRJMS/d+z8f7ynIk9EJSrFeV43theheE5/1yOTiUtOrtZaeS Bl694GX2GbuUeXZMPrlocHWEHPQRdAC8BSxPCQMXMcz0QdRyxqZd4ohEsIsuxE3x8NaFPmzz lZR4kX5A6ZzRjRVXjsJz5TDeRvVPAgMBAAGjNzA1MBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwHwYD VR0jBBgwFoAUcknCczTGVfQLdnKBfnf0h+fGsg4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAa8ZZ6TH6 6bbssQPY33Jy/pFgSOrGVd178GeOxmFw523CpTfYnbcXKFYFi91cdW/GkZDGbGZxE9AQfGuR b4bgITYtwdfqsgmtzy1txoNSm/u7/pyHnfy36XSS5FyXrvx+rMoNb3J6Zyxrc/WG+Z31AG70 HQfOnZ6CYynvkwl+Vd4xggH3MIIB8wIBATCBnDCBlDELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgT DFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTEUMBIGA1UEBxMLRHVyYmFudmlsbGUxDzANBgNVBAoTBlRoYXd0ZTEd MBsGA1UECxMUQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgU2VydmljZXMxKDAmBgNVBAMTH1BlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIFJTQSAxOTk5LjkuMTYCAwMjBTAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIGxMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkq hkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTAxMDUwMTIxMDc1OFowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYE FOgyflUXbGskVYT6CfLEMSD6uglPMFIGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFFMEMwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYI KoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIGAjU+I8WzILP/xbfrLDmnKSTT3ZjBnbd7M+CdQSgnQ1+b1m78iHpV8 VMNtLR3aY9YaUw2YqMB1xKdtbQEgYij2P3JDhzSHHCIX4IylRs8yzP5TKYS79XAg8Uf0ydz9 FASrH7tZErt7CS/KgSoK1Zh+r0KoII9BWineA9dlWi//Nr8= --------------msDAE0F165E068B0F1E252A5F3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message
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