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Date:      Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:24:57 -0400
From:      "C. A. Daelhousen" <cd9@buffalo.edu>
To:        Siegbert Baude <Siegbert.Baude@gmx.de>
Cc:        FreeBSD Questions LIST <FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: mtools vs mount
Message-ID:  <20020828162457.A7000@selvirjin.buffalo.edu>
In-Reply-To: <00f201c24ea6$32c05b80$406a3c86@whwurm.uniulm.de>; from Siegbert.Baude@gmx.de on Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:18:43PM %2B0200
References:  <20020826220454.P1757-100000@dhcp-402-55.san.rr.com> <20020827075718.A3273@selvirjin.buffalo.edu> <3D6B82A9.3000904@gmx.de> <20020827170149.C3712@selvirjin.buffalo.edu> <00f201c24ea6$32c05b80$406a3c86@whwurm.uniulm.de>

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 05:18:43PM +0200, Siegbert Baude wrote:
> 
> > Note that on a *blank* floppy, no long names are found, so short names
> > are assumed. So if the archive is put on a blank floppy mounted
> > short-name in the first place, then no amount of "mount -l"ing later
> > will recreate the long names.
> 
> If you would have read the man snippet instead of deleting it, you would
> have seen, that longname is the default _except_ only short names are
> already found on the floppy, when mounting it. At least that is my
> understanding of the man page.

At one time or another, I observed the behavior I described; perhaps
4.6-STABLE regressed at some point during the summer. The man page for
4.6.2-RELEASE appears to be accurate and in agreement with you.

> 
> > I don't have any bare DOS machines, so I don't ever use short names;
> > therefore, the longnames option in /etc/fstab is more convenient and
> > useful. (And it's not in with the -l/-s options in the manpage.)
> 
> Seems to be a good idea. The only thing is maybe, that you won't be able
> to read the disk on plain DOS? Sorry, I didn't test this, and it
> probably doesn't concern many people nowadays.
> 

Long names are backwards-compatible, it's just an annoya~1 to me to have
the names change.

> >
> > If you didn't have anything useful to say to me, don't reply to me. Go
> > back up the thread for that.
> 
> If a clarification, including the service of the relevant man snippet in
> case you can't reach a FBSD machine, where you're reading mails, is a
> faux-pas in your opinion, I deeply excuse for having done so. BTW,
> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=826558+0+current/freebsd-qu
> estions seems to indicate, that I sent my offending message to Peter
> Leftwich, just cc-ing C.A. and the list, as I always believed to be good
> practice on this list, as you never know, which of the participants in a
> thread are subscribed to the list.
> 

I don't understand where -s/-l do anything to "clarify" mount options in
/etc/fstab. Man pages are on FreeBSD.org, and this is the most popular
way to point to them (at least over the duration I've been reading the
list.)

That said, I was rather rushed/irritated when I read your message. I'd
given it priority reading time because it was CC'ed, only to discover it
didn't seem to say a thing about what I said, and was filled with extra
fluff to prove it was right. So I'm sorry for tearing your throat
out--you may have it back if you wish ;)

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