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Date:      Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:43:14 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@yogotech.com>
Cc:        Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, rwatson@FreeBSD.org, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c])
Message-ID:  <20010315094314.B79313@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:11:14AM -0700
References:  <20010313123603Y.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <10215.984516433@critter> <20010313134342A.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <15023.42546.30738.1117@nomad.yogotech.com>

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On Wednesday, 14 March 2001 at 10:11:14 -0700, Nate Williams wrote:
>>> I have no small amount of faith in what our volounteers can do, but
>>> having studied my history, I know that most if not all instances of
>>> a mass-effort has been directed by one or a very few persons who have
>>> set a goal, waved a flag and issued the battlecry...
>>
>> I actually agree, I just see no reason why those few flag-waving
>> individuals need to come exclusively from core (or as a side-effect of
>> some sort of core mandate) at all.  During our almost 9 years of
>> history, I've seen more of those folks come from out of "nowhere" than
>> I have seen them come from the "center" of the FreeBSD project.
>
> True, but if 'core' gave it's blessing to those folks instead of sitting
> back and not getting involved until long *after* the flag-waving
> individual has been so beaten down that they leave in disgust, we may
> get more done.
>
> Core *is* the perceived leadership group in FreeBSD, and you're it's
> de-facto leader.  Being un-involved in the process implies apathy at
> *your* level, which doesn't do anything to motivate the troops...

It's definitely not apathy.  There's a very real concern that using a
bigger stick would scare people off.  Maybe we should come up with a
list of functions that core could conceivably perform, and get a vote
on whether it should perform them.

Greg
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