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Date:      Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:02:10 +0100
From:      Remko Lodder <remko@elvandar.org>
To:        kevin <k@kevinkevin.com>
Cc:        'Tom Judge' <tom@tomjudge.com>, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, 'Nikos Vassiliadis' <nvass@gmx.com>
Subject:   Re: Bridging + VLANS + RSTP / MSTP
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On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:20 PM, kevin wrote:

>> There is a also the caveat:  The switch will probably _not_ forward =
the STP
> BPDU's from one port to another.=20
>=20
> You were correct -- my initial testing confirmed this. Would the same =
issue
> arise if I employed a gateway IP on the /bridge/ instead, and used =
CARP as a
> failover mechanism? The firewall no longer becomes transparent pass
> through/firewall. I have not done carp with bridges and I'm not 100% =
certain
> the same STP forwarding problems wouldn't arise, even with an IP =
assigned.
>=20
> Such as :
>=20
> [switch 1 (vlan 1)]
>   |       |
> [fw1 gw1] -- CARP -- [fw2 gw1]
>   |       |
> [switch 1 (vlan 2)]
>=20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Kevin
>=20
>=20

Carp is a failover mechanism like HSRP and VRRP, I have difficulties to =
understand
that it works on a bridge. (Only the device in between talks CARP , it =
cannot broadcast
an IP on the bridge, because thenit would become L3 instead of L2).

You could ofcourse use HSRP/VRRP related things and have the gateway =
address(es)
move when a failure is detected. A lot of companies use those kind of =
setups, but personally
I havent seen one of them having multiple providers with different IP =
space to get to the internet.

What is the problem in setting up such a lab to test whether that works =
as you would want to?
(Why are they bridges in the first place and not active firewalls? It's =
not that strange to have an
active firewall between the evil internet and the internal network..)


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