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Date:      Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:03:49 +0100
From:      John Marino <freebsd.contact@marino.st>
To:        Dominic Fandrey <kamikaze@bsdforen.de>
Cc:        ports@freebsd.org, lukasz@wasikowski.net
Subject:   Re: State of the Porters' Handbook
Message-ID:  <526E3685.4070306@marino.st>
In-Reply-To: <526E3454.60501@bsdforen.de>
References:  <526E234F.3090005@bsdforen.de> <526E2492.9080107@wasikowski.net> <526E2600.9010409@bsdforen.de> <526E272D.3040607@marino.st> <526E2E8D.3020109@bsdforen.de> <526E2FB8.5060906@marino.st> <526E3454.60501@bsdforen.de>

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On 10/28/2013 10:54, Dominic Fandrey wrote:
> On 28/10/2013 10:34, John Marino wrote:
>> On 10/28/2013 10:29, Dominic Fandrey wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a handfull. What about installers that hard-code directories
>>> during install?
>>
>> They can hardcode into the stage directory.  Anywhere else is wrong and
>> has to be fixed.
> 
> But then they won't be usable once installed into /usr/local.

If there are files in those directories, they'll be on the plist and
stage handles them.  I'd have to look up how to create empty directories
properly.

> 
>>>> You don't have a choice with supporting stage -- new ports without stage
>>>> aren't accepted.  So that's why you have to bother.  :)
>>>
>>> That doesn't sound acceptable, considering the feature isn't even
>>> mentioned in the Porters' Handbook.
>>
>> Bapt has made several calls for help to document this in the Porters
>> Handbook.  He's said it's on his plate but he's behind and has asked for
>> the help.  Maybe you could help him out?
> 
> So far I see stage as a problem, not something I want to advance.

I don't know how to respond to this.
1. It indicates that don't understand the benefits, nor that it's 5
years overdue, nor that its sorely needed
2. Stage is not going away.  There is not another option.
3. You've been given a source of documentation.  It's not in the
handbook, but it does exist in some form.  What more do you need to
progress?

John



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