Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:43:56 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Rashid N. Achilov" <citycat4@ngs.ru> To: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb/124604: Wireless Mouse doesn't work Message-ID: <20080623164356.43D943EB588D@smtp.ngs.ru>
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freebsd-usb@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.3.11 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:43:56 +0700 Message-ID: <web-19975202@mx6.intranet.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> Sorry, why when FreeBSD lack support of some hardware, it inevitably >> marks as "MS only"? USB is our future. It will be, independent of our >Broken hardware (be it made by MS or somebody else) is broken if it >does not follow the standards (usb in this case). >FWIW, FreeBSD have support for most standards-compliant usb mice and >keyboards, and combinations. >Broken hardware needs wokarounds (in any operating system). Workarounds >needs to be written and tested. Sorry, Torfinn, I haven't seen any working Genius or Microsoft USB combo device. That's mean, that any Genius devices does not follw standard? ANY Microsoft device does not follow standard? Please name me any combo device, made by Genius or Logitech or Microsoft, which works under 6.x-STABLE. Also, what is a "standard" for USB keyboards/mices? Is it an order, which device follwed to send data or data packet format or something else? >To get more hardware supported, FreeBSD needs more developers. Yes, of course. But they think as usual to improve FreeBSD as server. This day USB subsystem does not required for servers completely - ukbd works, any other does not need for server (when have forget about need to re-plug keyboard each reboot, he-he. Imagine - a servers rack, filled by boxes under FreeBSD. After power failure or testing or something else, admin moves along this rack and consequenlty re-plug servers :ROFL:) But what about workstation? USB subsystem is very important here. >It is not perfect if thats what you mean. Most people who like to stay >with FreeBSD find it possible to adjust their work methods to cope with >the situation when dealing with usb devices. And that is a way, why Windows is leading on desktops :-< It is bad, inaccurate, terrible and so on... but when I insert USB flash, I know exactly - box do not hangup, do not deadlock, do not restart suddenly. Hardware MUST works as expected and does not annoy user to "adjust their work methods". I do not speaking about syncing with mobile phones at all - I cannot detect it even in "filetransfer mode" >And yet you are complaining that somebody else are doing free work for >you to fix _your_ problem? >That seems a bit unfair to me. I'll do my job and haven't so much time to dig usb subsystem code. Also I work to popularization some FreeBSD software, tunuing or working methods by writing articles in Russian magazine "System Administrator". Visit http://openoffice.mirahost.ru, when you can read Russian. I'm awaiting 7.1. When usb support under this version will similar terrible, I think, I have to bring my devices to work by myself. As usual. Will do something good - do it by yourself...
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