Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:14:41 -0700 From: Dann Lunsford <dann@greycat.com> Cc: "Questions List FreeBSD.org" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification Message-ID: <3799CA51.96FA2D8B@greycat.com> References: <002c01bed537$830d5840$87577ccf@isp1.foxlink.net> <199907231723.AA061670587@broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu> <7nadfe$env$1@twwells.com> <3798C0FF.8B7C3294@greycat.com> <379914A3.DD20A85@criterion-group.com>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
Roy Bettle wrote: > > ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR "MCSE" ANALOGY!! Yah; know what you mean about certs; been > doing this for 15 years ... probably should get around to getting a cert one of > these days ... > Thing is, the people who get these certs (around here, at least) are totally clueless; as Mr. Wells noted, they're good only at taking exams. I've lost count of the times I've had to bail these idiots out, or fix their screwups. Yet the suits seem to think that because they've been "certified", they rate pay raises and promotions. If I seem bitter, it's because I am. Yes, I know I could get a cert, but given these jerks, I'm not sure I *want" to be in the same class. The thing that *really* offends me is the awful misuse of the term "engineer": MCSE, CNE, etc. I work with REAL engineers (civil, mechanical, and electrical); I've seen what they go through to get and keep that rating. My ladyfriend back in college was an EE; I watched her sweat blood for four years. And then I see some idiot that crammed for two weeks... *AAARRRRGGGHHHH* (I'm *not* an engineer, BTW; my degrees are in math, physics, and philosophy) Hmmm... Topic drift. Better take this to -chat before the topic police come down on us. > Dann Lunsford wrote: > > > "T. William Wells" wrote: > > > > > > In article <199907231723.AA061670587@broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu>, > > > Mitch Collinsworth <mkc@Graphics.Cornell.EDU> wrote: > > > : >Are you guys by any chance going to create a FreeBSD certification program? > > > : >If yes, by when will it be available? If not, don't you think it is a good > > > : >idea > > > : >to start one? > > > : > > > : Why? > > > > > > Yeah. In my experience, most of those who have certificates get > > > them in the hopes that it'll substitute for actual hard-earned > > > experience. Furthermore, certification programs rarely test > > > anything more than the ability to answer questions correctly -- > > > this is not a skill that's terribly useful when it comes to > > > administering an operating system. > > > > MCSE == Must Consult Someone Experienced > > > > Says it all about 'certification", I think. There is a problem with > > this though: The suits (at least where I work) are so gung-ho about > > certs that there's now a 10-20% pay raise if you get just about any type > > of cert. Good Grief. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?3799CA51.96FA2D8B>