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Date:      Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:27:50 -0500
From:      "Jack L. Stone" <jackstone@sage-one.net>
To:        "Siegbert Baude" <Siegbert.Baude@gmx.de>, "Rob Ellis" <rob@web.ca>
Cc:        <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, =?Windows-1252?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= <sos@freebsd.dk>
Subject:   Re: Best "bs" for dd copies (was: Re: Questions about vinum and failure of root partition)
Message-ID:  <3.0.5.32.20020807102750.02d62db8@mail.sage-one.net>
In-Reply-To: <001c01c23e25$b05a1180$406a3c86@whwurm.uniulm.de>
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At 05:18 PM 8.7.2002 +0200, Siegbert Baude wrote:
>Hi Jack,
>
>first an apology to Soeren for cc'ing him, but he probably is the best
>man to answer this question (and a second one for not being able to
>produce the correct letter for the spelling of his name *g*).
>
>Rob wrote:
>> >then create a backup of the fbsd partitions on
>> >the first disk, copying everything from ad0s1 to ad2s1:
>> >
>> >  dd if=/dev/ad0s1 of=/dev/ad2s1 bs=102400
>
>Jack wrote:
>> My side question is about the "dd" command. Why did you choose the
>> parameter "bs=102400" rather than any other?? I've been using 8192,
>but
>> have seen this switch all over the map, including 1024 to 1M. I know
>it can
>> make a difference in the time to do an image because of the sizing.
>With
>> 8192, I do an entire 40GB HD in 39 mins (1.4GHz CPU) but takes 49 mins
>for
>> a 1GHz CPU.
>
>I just experimented a bit last weekend, when I dd'ed a 80GB IBM
>IC35L080AVVA07-0 to another disk of exactly the same type (needed a
>bit-copy as backup, because the partition table was corrupted).
>
>I tried bs from standard 512 up to 8MB by always doubling the value from
>try to try and found that 128k worked the best for me. That is quite
>near to the proposed 100k of Rob. The transfer rate varied from 6 MB/s
>to  20MB/s, if my memory works right. At least it was far away from the
>33MB/s the UDMA-33 mode should give (the disks could do UDMA 100 and the
>highpoint controller even UDMA 133, but I only had normal cables). IBM
>claims its disk should transfer a sustained rate from 48MB/s to 23MB/s
>depending on the zone. The disk cache is 2MB, btw. The board was an
>Abit-BX133 with 256MB RAM and a PIII-850.
>
>So, if anybody knows how to calculate the best value out of the
>technical parameters or can explain, why ~100k seems the best value (and
>not e.g. something in the area of disk cache size) I also would be very
>interested to hear.
>What is the maximum at all, one can expect? Is it possible to reach the
>maximum rate IBM claims for its disk with dd?
>
>Ciao
>Siegbert
>

Thanks for the follow-up on the "dd bs" side question. Clearly this
parameter makes a big difference as does the CPU speed, UDMA, etc. I too
would like to know of any way to calculate, but probably what you did by
trial is a good approach for each particular specific setup/environment.

Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

SageOne Net
http://www.sage-one.net
jackstone@sage-one.net

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