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Date:      Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:01:39 -0800
From:      Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>
To:        Xin LI <d@delphij.net>
Cc:        Greg Rivers <gcr+freebsd-stable@tharned.org>, Mike Jakubik <mike.jakubik@intertainservices.com>, Andrey Chernov <ache@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Stable ML <stable@freebsd.org>, =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: openssh in stable-10 broken config or sandbox
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Thanks, Delphij! Better than what I asked for.

This also induced me to fix my configuration to include GENERIC with five
lines to modify it. I missed that capsicum had been made default.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Xin Li <delphij@delphij.net> wrote:

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> On 03/03/14 13:29, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Greg Rivers
> > <gcr+freebsd-stable@tharned.org
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2014, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Mike Jakubik <
> >>> mike.jakubik@intertainservices.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 03/01/14 02:39, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 01.03.2014 10:56, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi.
> >>>>>> Default /etc/ssh/sshd_config have #UsePrivilegeSeparation
> >>>>>> sandbox I.e. 'sandbox' by default. It breaks logins with
> >>>>>> error: sshd[81721]: fatal: ssh_sandbox_child: failed to
> >>>>>> limit the network socket [preauth] Fixed by using old
> >>>>>> way, i.e. direct UsePrivilegeSeparation yes instead of
> >>>>>> 'sandbox'. Please fix this bug.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just find that capsicum is required now for default (i.e.
> >>>>>> sandbox)
> >>>>> mode. Don't think it is wise move, people may lost remote
> >>>>> connections that way, at least UPDATING entry is needed,
> >>>>> but check for WITHOUT_CAPSICUM for defaults will be
> >>>>> better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally I find this to be a monumental screw up, such a
> >>>>> drastic
> >>>> change and not even so much as an entry in UPDATING, what
> >>>> ever happened to POLA?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> I didn't get bitten by this by the good fortune of seeing the
> >>> first message on this issue just minutes after I updated my
> >>> system. Saw the change in mergemaster, so immediately edited
> >>> the installed file back to "yes".  But, if this had been a
> >>> remote server, I would have been in deep weeds. This is simply
> >>> not acceptable practice!
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Not to disagree, but I think we should tone down the flogging of
> >> a person who's working hard to make FreeBSD better.  I'm sure
> >> this wasn't intentional, and the change probably passed all of
> >> his tests.  If this were -RELEASE, I might feel differently, but
> >> it is -STABLE after all.  I do certainly agree that an UPDATING
> >> entry would have been warranted.
> >>
> >> -- Greg
> >>
> >
> > It was clearly intentional as it was specifically mentioned in the
> > commit message.
> >
> > Oversights happen and I don't have a problem with that. If DES just
> > didn't think about the fact that it would break sshd if capsicum
> > was not available, that happens. I've made bigger mistakes,
> > probably this week. The problem is that the change was not rolled
> > back and no entry was made to UPDATING.
> >
> > It's been over 4 days and, even if DES is tied up and has not seen
> > the issue, someone should have added t note to UPDATING so people
> > have some warning that sshd will break in most cases if they just
> > accept the change to sshd.conf. (Yes, it is not obvious who should
> > have done this, but lots of folks have access to update UPDATING.)
> > Lots of folks use STABLE in production. It's not HEAD and every
> > effort is supposed to be made to not break things, or at least warn
> > people if something will break running systems.
>
> I have just merged r261499 (pjd) as r262718 which should have fixed
> this issue.  r261499 tests if the capability calls returned ENOSYS and
> silently ignores them.
>
> Note that it's generally a good idea from security prospective that
> one enable the new security mechanisms in their kernel, but yes, we
> would keep our promise on POLA on stable branches.  Sorry for the
> breakage.
>
> Cheers,
> - --
> Xin LI <delphij@delphij.net>    https://www.delphij.net/
> FreeBSD - The Power to Serve!           Live free or die
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-- 
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com



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