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Date:      Fri, 26 May 2006 10:20:00 +0200
From:      Marian Hettwer <MH@kernel32.de>
To:        Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Allen <slackwarewolf@comcast.net>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security Survey
Message-ID:  <4476BA30.2090607@kernel32.de>
In-Reply-To: <p06230905c09a5acceffb@[128.113.24.47]>
References:  <20060523120100.37D2B16A54F@hub.freebsd.org>	<20060523083944.H96736@eboyr.pbz>	<20060523160051.GA78620@kierun.org>	<44741A43.40302@kernel32.de> <20060524144537.46463a90@hydrocodone.org> <p06230905c09a5acceffb@[128.113.24.47]>

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Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> At 2:45 PM -0400 5/24/06, Allen wrote:

>> Did you just tell him to get another computer for each arch
>> to have as a build machine???
>>
>> Being a broke college student I don't think that's something
>> I'd ever do to install updates on my boxes. I can't afford
>> another computer just to build updates when every other OS
>> I use does updates in another way....
> 
> 
> If you are a college student with a few machines that
> you work with, then you can afford some downtime.
> 
> Note that the person was talking about the problems of
> doing source updates on TEN machines.  If you own ten
> machines, and if all of those ten machines must have zero
> downtime and rock-solid reliability, then you really
> have to find the money for an eleventh machine.  That is
ACK. That's what I was talking about :)

At work we have roughly 900 Debian Linux servers, and frankly, the way
of upgrading those boxes is pretty easy (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade).
However, we still have build machines for custom packages and of course
test machines to test updates...

The point then is, of course, sometimes a buildworld is overkill and it
would be great to have an easier way of upgrading, but still you need
the "eleventh" machine for testing / reducing downtime / whatever.

> 
> "Pity the poor college student, with their personally-
> owned data center of 50 machines split across five
> different architectures."  Uh, no.  I won't.  Anyone
> who can afford that much hardware has more money than
> I do!
> 
"me too" ;-)

./Marian
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