Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 13:06:56 -0600 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: Kris Kennaway <kris@hub.freebsd.org>, Luoqi Chen <luoqi@watermarkgroup.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! Message-ID: <19991211130656.O760@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <7881.944870115@critter.freebsd.dk>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Sat, Dec 11, 1999 at 12:55:15AM %2B0100 References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.9912101538360.17929-100000@hub.freebsd.org> <7881.944870115@critter.freebsd.dk>
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On Saturday, 11 December 1999 at 0:55:15 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <Pine.BSF.4.21.9912101538360.17929-100000@hub.freebsd.org>, Kris Ken > naway writes: > >> No-one (as far as I can see) is objecting to making ata the default (which >> it already is), and to kill wd in some number of weeks. Why can't you just >> do that, and put and end to this discussion happily? Will a few weeks >> really harm the development process? > > You overlook one simple thing here: If we want the ata driver > tested, we need to make existing kernel configs break, otherwise > people will not change them to use ata. We know this from bitter > experience. OK, so rename the wd driver to owd. Make it necessary to change the config in any way. Print out dire warnings on every boot and every config(8). > The removal of wd has many discrete steps, but the first one is to > make it clear to people that it is going away, this has been done > by now I belive. I think it has settled in, yes. > The next thing is to break all the kernel configs, this has yet to > happen, but it will happen real soon. This means that you have to > really insist badly to make the wd driver work for you. OK, as long as we have an alternative, such as I suggest above. > Once we have established that the new driver doesn't leave a large > number of people stranded it will be killed for good. The new driver? That's counterproductive :-) I'd like to see a definition of "large number". > What we need right NOW is for people to test the ata driver, and if > it doesn't work, to debug as well as they can and report in > excrutiating detail to sos so that he has a chance to analyze the > problems. Just saying "It doesn't work for me" will simply not do. > The more senior the person reporting, the more detail and quality > information should be able to expect. You're talking about different people here. Understand that the users of -CURRENT are numbered in the hundreds; the users of -RELEASE are numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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