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Date:      Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:28:46 -0700
From:      Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>
To:        papowell@astart.com
Cc:        Koop Mast <kwm@rainbow-runner.nl>, "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" <x11@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Ports ML <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: kde4 packages, WITHOUT_NEW_XORG fails
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On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Patrick Powell <papowell@astart.com> wrote:

> On 07/04/14 14:23, Koop Mast wrote:
>
[...]

>  On 4-7-2014 22:49, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This discussion begs the question of why won't WITH_NEW_XORG work for
>>> you?
>>> I am aware of some pretty old hardware that simply has no support in
>>> recent
>>> Xorg servers, but these are pretty old by now. And, as time passes, the
>>> bit
>>> rot will make more and more things fail with the old code.
>>>
>>> I am far from an X expert, but a post to x11@ of the failure you see
>>> WITH_NEW_XORG including the Xorg.0.log, /etc/make.conf, /etc/src.conf and
>>> any Xorg.conf you are using might get things working (and might not).
>>> x11@
>>> is a far better place to ask any of the questions about X issues.
>>>
>>> I should also recommend that, if you have not already tried, move your
>>> Xorg.conf aside and let X try to configure itself. It is very rare to
>>> require a full configuration these days. Most only need things for added
>>> fonts and extra modules. The xorg.conf on my laptop is only about 27
>>> lines
>>> long and mostly added fonts.
>>>
>> ports/UPDATING states:
>> 20140218:
>>   AFFECTS: users of KDE SC 4
>>   AUTHOR: kde@FreeBSD.org
>>
>>   KDE SC ports have been updated to 4.12.2. kdeadmin, kdenetwork, kdesdk,
>>   and kdetoys ports have been split due to upstream changes.
>>
>>   KDE Workspace port has been updated to 4.11.6. It requires modern
>>   Mesa libraries, provided by WITH_NEW_XORG knob. To update Xorg ports
>>   to newer version follow instructions at https://wiki.freebsd.org/
>> Graphics
>>
>> So it not possible anymore to run KDE4 with WITHOUT_NEW_XORG.
>>
>> -Koop
>>
>>  Ahhh!!! I  missed that.
>
> If this is the case,  then perhaps the default for generating the PKGNG
> repository should be WITH_NEW_XORG?
> Then we could use the PKGNG respository for KDE4 applications.
>
> OR: we could have two repositories:  one which uses WITHOUT_NEW_XORG and
> has the old Xorg drivers and no KDE4 support and one with WITH_NEW_XORG
> which has the new Xorg drivers and KDE4 support.
>
> I think I read some discussion about this possibility but I can't recall
> the outcome.
>

Your timing is MOST excellent. Koop just announced those repositories were
available a few hours ago.
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=306646+0+current/freebsd-announce

The repositories cover 9.x and 10.x for i386 and amd64.
-- 
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com



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