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Date:      Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:14:36 +0100
From:      Roelof Osinga <roelof@nisser.com>
To:        Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
Cc:        "Albert D. Cahalan" <acahalan@cs.uml.edu>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: OT: non-Unix history (Was: FreeBSD vs linux)
Message-ID:  <3A6F61DC.39E9CF0D@nisser.com>
References:  <14957.31196.939559.889627@guru.mired.org> <3A6F43F7.E43C6CA0@nisser.com> <14959.23870.728403.859934@guru.mired.org>

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Mike Meyer wrote:
> 
> ...
> There are *lots* of potential reasons, many of them good ones. The
> issue about machine speed shows up in the infamous "Worse is better"
> paper, and I talk about this particular case in my "Good enough is
> best" paper <URL: http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/good-enough.html >
> (which provides pointers to "Worse is better" as well as covering the
> salient features).

Sorry Mike, but there is a *lot* of information Out There. Can't
read it all. If not only 'coz I then would have to pull my head
out of that warm and cozy brown place <g>.

> Actually, Ultrix is a BSD derivative, and didn't require a SysV
> license. But they changed it later. Ditto for Sun and Mips - both
> started on BSD with a SysIII license, then went to SysV.  But The Unix
> market splintering that way was what "the kernel APIs being different"
> was referring to. You couldn't port an application to Unix - you had
> to port it to each variant. Since VMS - and later NT - were usually a
> larger market than any single Unix vendor, even if it wasn't as big as
> all of them put together, it got preference.

Yeah, I know. Does Bill Joy really need mentioning? Still, I wasn't
there. I was stuck on this side of the 'pond'. Hence all second
hand info. Not by choice, just by circumstance.

That does not mean I agree on the point of API difference. Apps
got ported allright, back then. They just didn't execute good
enough. No fancy title will change that impression for me <g>.

Besides, the mini market really was on its way out in those days.
Even the mainframe market - or especially if you believe the trade
rags - felt the heet. So porting... What porting. I know it was
conceived to be a big issue, but just a minor one to me. Accorind
to Murphy's Law I am of course wrong in this :).

[Hm. Still got a honest to whatever 16 bit, fridge sized, mini 
standing in the corner, supporting an 80386SX Novell server :)].

> Later, of course, WordPerfect started running on nearly anything - I
> even had an Amiga vesion at one point.

Yeah, but "alas", too little, too late.

The quote because I'm more of a WordStar guy myself. Those keys
are hardwired into my nervous system. No amount of vi, emacs, or
whatever experience will change that. What is truly a pits is
using all three (i.e. jstar, vi, emacs) at the same time in
different xterms. Or shells, for that matter.

Ah well, LSATYD (Buddha, ~500 BC ;).

Roelof

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