Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:14:04 +0000 From: Mark Ovens <marko@uk.radan.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) Message-ID: <36BE1E3C.5FD3A7A7@uk.radan.com> References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9902051300570.10237-100000@o-o.org> <36BB988A.48159D7B@uk.radan.com> <19990205222817.I6050@softweyr.com> <36BC82BF.9DAE2E55@uk.radan.com> <36BD4216.DB24B7E3@softweyr.com>
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Wes Peters wrote: > > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > And some not even then. Feel free to guess the gender of my offspring, > named Bailey. You have approximately a 50% chance of getting it right, > give or take 1%. My sister-in-law's firstborn is named Morgan. Wanna > guess at that one? ;^) > Go on then, I'll go for female on both. > > > > > Depending on who the > > > reader is, this will cause them to pay more or less attention to > > > the author, be more or less critical of their opinions, and more > > > or less patient with them. > > > > That should depend on the content of the message rather than the person > > who sent it, surely > > Should, but doesn't. We all have our prejudices, some less than others, > and some more controlled than others, but they're still there. > OK, but seeing as most people on these lists are intelligent, professional people is it not unreasonable to expect us to rise above them, at least in our posts? > > > All of these also apply to those of a different culture. > > > > > > I, in general, am more interested, less critical, and more patient, > > > but hey, that's just me. I'm also less likely to assume a woman > > > is an idiot, I'd rather assume she's just an expert at something > > > else. I know this makes me incredibly sexist, > > > > Not wishing to pass judgement on your opinions, but I can see some > > (all?) women reading this to consider that rather patronizing. > > So can I, but it still stands. I've been roundly cursed for opening > doors for women, by the women as they walk through them, but I'm not > about to stop. > Hmm, well that's just darn right rude. I was brought up the same way; open doors for ladies, giving up your seat on a bus etc. and I still do it now, without even thinking, I just do it automatically. > The women I've come to know, probably even a little bit, realize > it's not patronizing. I prefer to talk to women, they're so much > more able to carry on a conversation than the average male. Of > course, I don't spend much time with "average" males, either. ;^) > The problem is, of course, that conversing on the 'net is done blind, people don't really know you. > > > but in my experience > > > there ARE far more male jerks, morons, and madmen than female. ;^) > > > > Got to agree with you there :-( > > > > > I also try to cultivate helping relationships with people of > > > different cultures. I've met people over the net in Africa, Australia, > > > and England whom I now consider good friends, simply by answering > > > (or occasionally asking) a few questions. Who knows, I may someday > > > get the chance to share my home, or perhaps even theirs, simply for > > > the price of helping somebody with PPP, or DNS, or something else > > > that is relatively trivial for me. > > > > Yes, that's one of the great things about the international nature of > > the Internet, you can learn so much more than, in this case, FreeBSD. > > Someone recently took the time to explain the definition of "felony" and > > "misdemeanour" in the context of US law after a thread about spam, for > > example. > > One of the most interesting conversations I've had came about as a > result of helping a young man in England with a PPP problem. His > name is Robin and he works for the Sheriff of Nottingham. I asked > him if he gets a lot of people curious about this situation, and > he said mostly from yanks; apparently the story isn't that well- > known in England. ;^) > :-) > > > -- > > > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > > > > > > I don't know ;-) > > That's a culturally loaded joke, I don't expect anyone outside North > America to get it. I'm not too sure about outside the "American > Midwest," though it was originally given to me by a friend from central > California. He's very much more well-read than the average US citizen, > though. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com -- Trust the computer industry to shorten Year 2000 to Y2K. It was this thinking that caused the problem in the first place. FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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