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Date:      Mon, 26 May 2014 09:54:24 +0800
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>
To:        David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>, Oliver Pinter <oliver.pntr@gmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, dim@freebsd.org, Shawn Webb <lattera@gmail.com>, freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
Subject:   Re: [CFT] ASLR, PIE, and segvguard on 11-current and 10-stable
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On 5/26/14, 5:18 AM, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 25 May 2014, at 21:31, Oliver Pinter <oliver.pntr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/25/14, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> wrote:
>>> Oliver Pinter <oliver.pntr@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> pax_log will be in future a generic pax related logging framework,
>>>> with ratelimiting and other features.  It will log user, IP, binary
>>>> name, path, checksum, and others.
>>> What are you using this for?  Are you sure you can't use ktrace?  It's a
>>> lot more flexible and powerful than you probably realize.
>> Logging to system log, The feature will similar to this in grsecurity:
>> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity/Appendix/Grsecurity_and_PaX_Configuration_Options#Kernel_Auditing
> It sounds like you actually want to be writing audit events then.  See audit(4).

yeah I think the point is not "use ktrace" but "use and/or possibly 
extend one of the several already existing methods".
we don't need *another* logging facility.

>
> David
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