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Date:      Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:55:48 +1100
From:      jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
To:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: amaya & toth & a small x whinge (was: find/search a string in Netscape)
Message-ID:  <19990109225548.O5652@caamora.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901090146550.24360-100000@guru.phone.net>; from Mike Meyer on Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 01:53:17AM -0800
References:  <19990109202706.J5652@caamora.com.au> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9901090146550.24360-100000@guru.phone.net>

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On Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 01:53:17AM -0800, Mike Meyer wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, jonathan michaels wrote:
> > > Ah, I missed that. How about running it on FreeBSD as a Linux binary?
> > 
> > i did think about that .. but, the root cause of my systems unreliability is 
> > running xfree itself, i get allsorts of core dumps from all sorts of programs, 
> > from ee upto teh big daddy netscape, thier is no rhyme or reason. it all 
> > started soon after v2.1.7 and i cannot pin it down.
> 
> ouch...

this is what i keep saying but it dosnt help, grin.

> > i was happily runing freebsd and xfree on a i486dx33 with 16 mb then i 
> > upgraded to v2.1.7 AND this problem started, a freind suggested it was time 
> > to update. i went to a p5-133 and 64 mb dram and pci buslogic 958, smc digital
> > chip set nic, and a stb trio 64v+ graphcis card .. the same problem manifested,
> > so i thought i'd give it one last try.
> 
> 2.1.7?

yes, v2.1.7 .. i missed 2.1.6, so did walnut creek, well ok i don't have it my 
collection. in v2.1.5 was teh last xfree that worked properly on any of my 
hardware. when i go back to it it works properly. but i think i've said this 
before.

>  Not 2.2.7? Try 2.2.8, or better yet, 3.0-RELEASE. I'm not
> completely happy with XFree, and am thinking about buying one of the
> commercial servers.

*** xi graphics cde, unbridled gratious advert mode on *** (grin)

xi graphics gave me a cde user and developers (linux and freebsd) cd set to 
play with, i've moved and misplaced my registration labels with the key 
details, sigh. packing is such a painfull process.

but from the bits i did see its worth the money and really made a matrox 
millenium do some truely amazing things. i saw a frineds linux box run xi 
graphics cde .. a really 'professionally' turned out bit of gear that is.

also if you have a 'weird' graphics setup, i would hesitate to recomend to 
anyone to go xi graphics, thye have had another name change, i've not followed 
up on it yet.

ps i'm not a biased user, i have seen the results and can hosestly recommend 
them (Xi), especially fro performance critical tasks, thier tech support is not 
that bad either .. they put up with me .. grin.

but, before i wander of in xi's direction i would like to get tothe bottom of 
this one. piece of mind and all that, you know.

> > > > > I took a brief look a building Amaya on NetBSD, then got
> > > > 
> > > > how did it compare with arena, look and feel isues,tools availability ?
> > > 
> > > Never got it working. The distraction was the FreeBSD box :-). The
> > > NetBSD box is still there, but slated to be replaced by a FreeBSD one.
> 
> Well, FreeBSD doesn't run on the NetBSD box. I was running it before
> the war. I went to FreeBSD for my workstation for a number of
> reasons. The NetBSD box needs to be ugpraded and able to run binaries
> from my workstation, so...

my story is the same only i came onboard after linus released kernel revision 
0.91.? i have forgotten, it was so long ago.

and her i am trying t run linux apps on a freebsd box, thier is a funny side 
to this .. grin.

> > > development would be welcome. And even if it works, I'd certainly be
> > > interested in Amaya/Thoth. Proably won't replace psgml for creating
> > 
> > me too, and this psgml .. que, psgml
> 
> psgml is an emacs SGML editing mode. Runs in my favorite editor, and
> understands the structure of HTML documents, so I can ask it "What's a
> legal tag here", or just tell it "close the currently open tag."

i allways knew emacs was strange .. grin, i'm comming to terms with 
micro-emacs, teh poor mans version. most of my texting is satisfied by using 
ee. or if i get really fancy i'll try toth from teh amaya package.

thier is always wordperfect .. back in the old days, it was possible to use wp 
as teh default editior in a wole range of ms dos word/text editing tasks. i've 
been wondering it is is possible to do this in a freebsd environment.

of course one needs to be running xfree, ummmm

# set env EDITOR=wp export EDITOR

sort of thing, then when you do your editing thing the system calls up word 
perfect .. should be interest to see what happens.

> > i have no real need to 'do html' for a living so to speak, but i am looking 
sniped
> > ps i'll keep you posted and anybody else if there interested, regarding amaya. 
> > but, please it will not be tomorrow .. as the saying goes.
> 
> Well, the pointer to the LINUX-ELF binary showed up, and it's running
> *right now* Seems reasonably zippy, No uglier than Netscape, but not
> as pretty as Arena was. More as I play with it...

that is a pluss, i posted a found bit of information regarding a possible 
upcoming freebsd port of amaya, but if teh linux one works, should be nice to 
try from the sounds of it.

at least it won't spew out its ubiquitous 'out od memory' core dumped messages 
while i sit here wonder what more it wants after giving it 128 mb of dram and 
300 mb of swap .. so, i got carried away, a bit.

sounds good thanks for the followup, muchly apreciated.

regards

jonathan

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