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Date:      Thu, 17 May 2007 15:06:15 -0500
From:      linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon)
To:        Craig Boston <craig@feniz.gank.org>, Kevin Oberman <oberman@es.net>, Chris <chrcoluk@gmail.com>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE
Message-ID:  <20070517200615.GA19092@soaustin.net>
In-Reply-To: <20070517183510.GB42562@nowhere>
References:  <3aaaa3a0705170830g46487cc7occc8a51b82a9118b@mail.gmail.com> <20070517172415.06DEF45042@ptavv.es.net> <20070517183510.GB42562@nowhere>

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On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 01:35:10PM -0500, Craig Boston wrote:
> > Now this is totally bogus. The freeze before the 6.0 release was VERY
> > long and several have been longer than this one has been so far.
> 
> I think the complaint may be more a result of this being a deeper freeze
> than normal.

That's correct.

> When ports is frozen before a release, it is often still
> possible to get things like security fixes and minor updates approved
> and committed.  The only time it's completely frozen is during
> branching, which typically doesn't take very long.

Most "freezes" are really more of a slush.  This is the first time we've
done an absolute, hard, freeze of this length in a long time.  But importnng
or upgrading several hundred ports, moving those and others from X11BASE
to LOCALBASE, and all the associated testing and retesting and re-retesting
just simply requires that we have everything locked down tight right now.

The alternative would have been to commit what we had and _then_ found
out all the bugs in the upgrade process (note: you won't be able to just
blindly use portupgrade -af; you will need to read the UPDATING file for
the proper procedure.  This is the unusual case of being such a sweeping
change that the port management tools are not completely up to the task.)

> I don't know if portmgr@ has approved any commits during the xorg freeze
> or not.

Nope.  There are simply too many ports that have interdependencies among
the xorg ports.

mcl



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