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Date:      Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:11:49 -0500
From:      Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To:        D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeyd@visi.com>
Cc:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, Michael Lucas <mwlucas@FreeBSD.ORG>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux
Message-ID:  <20011210171149.A32462@blackhelicopters.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011210155924.A1542@sheol.localdomain>; from hawkeyd@visi.com on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:59:24PM -0600
References:  <20011210074151.A29219@sheol.localdomain> <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1011210152926.4035T-100000@fledge.watson.org> <20011210155924.A1542@sheol.localdomain>

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 03:59:24PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote:
> Right now, these is exactly one such release, 4.3, for security fixes.
> Will there always be exactly one, such that when 4.5 is released, 4.3
> will fall off the planet, and 4.4 takes its place? Or might there be two,
> 4.3 and 4.4?

As far back as possible.  Bad answer, I know, but it's much like the
answer for 3.x.  :(

> This comes 'round to one of my original questions, too: Why, as an example,
> isn't the DELACK patches Matt made recently considered "important" enough
> to be backported to RELENG_4_3 (which I have more generically referred to
> as RELENG_(current - 1) or RELENG_(release - 1))? It has been said that a
> fix might be backported to RELENG_(current - 1) that isn't necessarily a
> security issue; can't that be expanded to any (or perhaps just "major")
> fixes that don't imply a new feature of RELENG_(current)?

Because DELACK isn't a security problem.  It's a performance problem.
It's a serious performance problem, but not a security problem.  They
had to draw the line somewhere, and since the security-officer group
is supporting this they get to call the shots.

If you do a good enough job, perhaps you can wind up supporting this
in the main source tree.  :)

> The site Michael and I have discussed will be hugely deficient in terms
> of what can be made available to any previous release (compared to what
> is applied to -STABLE), but as it sits right now, it would be better than
> nought for those that can't stay -STABLE.

Bingo.  Something is better than nothing.

-- 
Michael Lucas
mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
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