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Date:      Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:25:12 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Matt Snow <drama@slakin.net>
To:        Sanjay Bhattacharya <sanbh@gmx.net>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Long live The Penguin!!!!
Message-ID:  <20020625210810.E69266-100000@seven.slakin.net>
In-Reply-To: <00d201c21cbd$3b9ff2d0$1ba8c8cb@corrsl7vs6l3tz>

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I started using Slackware Linux in late 96', yes I loved it.
around a year and a half ago I started using FreeBSD and came to love
both.
But I disagree with 2 of your opinions:

1) NetFilter/IPtables/chains is more complex then ipfw/ipfilter, I have
   read several articles on iptables and read the man pages, it is still
   nonesense to me. compare a rule set from iptables to ipfw or IPFilter,
   most anyone with networking knowledge could decipher ipfw or IPFilter.
   Where as I still get confused with iptables.

2) keeping your kernel source up to date is far easier on *BSD then Linux.
   all I have to do is run `cvsup /etc/stable-supfile` to get the latest
   kernel *and* system binary sources. As for compiling app's on FreeBSD
   its a sinch! choose your poison: locate or find, (`find /usr/ports
   -name appname` or `locate appname`) then cd into the port directory
   (cd /usr/ports/category/appname), and make all instal. I find this much
   easier then going to a site in lynx, finding the download, untar'ing
   and running ./configure;make;make install.


This is just MY OWN personal opinion.
I believe both Linux and *BSD have its use's and place's.

* * * * * * * *
Matt Snow
 (@) drama@slakin.net
 (w) http://slakin.net.

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Sanjay Bhattacharya wrote:

> Please guys (the anti Penguin lobby), relax. I've been making my bread and
> butter out of Linux for the last 3 years. And I am a Sun Certified System
> Administrator. Still I've chosen my work field to be Linux. Why? Because I
> am in love with the penguin. As for me I haven't found anything that's
> drastically wrong as it always happens with Winblows. On the contrary there
> are revolutionary changes in 2.4 series kernels. One that has made my life a
> lot easier is certianly netfilter/iptables. And as for the libc problem, a
> little caution always saved my from big hassles. I am sort of a newbie to
> FreeBSD. But one thing I dislike about it is ipfw. Its so complicated. In
> contrast iptables in Linux is a pleasure to use. Apart from that upgrading
> Linux kernel is an easy task. I always patch my kernel with the latest
> updates and then I compile it. It runs like a dream. And believe me, I
> haven't faced a single problem in the last three years. But one thing I
> always avoid is rpm's. You might call me an old timer but I've my faith on
> the sources. And the configure/make/make install/ has always given me what I
> wanted. And to say nothing of the device recognition capabilities of the
> Linux kernel. I thank my lucky stars again and again that I don't have to
> bother about the HCL, thanks to Linux. So I think the Penguin is doing a
> great job. And under no circumstances it is inferior to the daemon. I want
> to conclude with the slogan ..."In Penguin I trust".
>
> rgds,
> Sanjay
>
>
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