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Date:      Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:04:56 -0500
From:      "Josh Paetzel" <jpaetzel@hutchtel.net>
To:        "Lawrence Cotnam Jr." <larry@pkunk.net>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, <freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: No help...
Message-ID:  <001701bff378$da4b5b60$3b440ace@hacker>
References:  <MKEOLDIJFGDJKDLHGFEGIEEPCBAA.larry@pkunk.net>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Cotnam Jr." <larry@pkunk.net>
To: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; <freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:58 PM
Subject: No help...


> I'm most disappointed.  I've been running FreeBSD since version 2, and in
> all this time I've never experience the total lack of any assistance from
> the userbase.  In the past, I've received good advice and help regarding
> FreeBSD-small for embedded systems, which my company has used for our
> embedded server product.  But now... In the past 3 months, I've posted two
> very serious issues I've experienced and the first issue, regarding Bus
> Mastering SiS 5591 PCI IDE controller going into UDMA mode receive *ZERO*
> replies.  Nothing.  And now... my troubles with a 3COM 3C509 NIC has
> received one (rather useless, but thank you Julian.  I appreciate your
> input, even if it had nothing to do with the problem) reply.  This is just
> so disappointing.  I've been using this operating system for about 5 years
> and I used to love it.  The support used to be wonderful.  The hardware
> support used to be wonderful.  Now... its not.  I can't get any of you
folks
> to so much as offer any suggestions (excepting Julian) to my questions,
even
> when I supply ample information regarding the problem, and attempted
> solutions.  I've jumped ship.
>
> After 10 hours of hard work, I successfully migrated my entire server to
> Debian Linux, which I must say, the legacy hardware support is there.
Like
> FreeBSD used to be.  I wish you all well, but I won't be back with FreeBSD
> any time soon.  Not only has the eroding legacy hardware support been a
> great disappointment, the lack of any userbase input regarding my troubles
> with such legacy hardware has been even more disappointing.  I sorrows me
to
> have to file away 5 years of know how and experience with this what used
to
> be wonderful operating system, but the support is gone, the legacy drivers
> are flaky at best.
>
> Lawrence Cotnam Jr.
> (775) 337-2536
> email: larry@pkunk.net
>
>

If I read this correctly, you are saying that past versions of FreeBSD
supported hardware that new versions don't.  Why not stick with those?  I've
got a machine that I run 2.1.5 on just because it still supports my Future
Domain 850 8bit SCSI controller.  (3.x dropped support for this "wonderful"
piece of hardware)  I know I could spend about $40 and get a new SCSI
controller that is better in every way, but this one does what I need it to
do.  To be honest with you, though, I would rather see some support for new
stuff added then to see effort wasted on an obsolete piece of junk that has
no business being used in anything, let alone a server.

Out with the old, in with the new.

Josh
aka "Legacy Man"





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