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Date:      22 Sep 00 15:16:36 CST
From:      Eduardo Huertas <eduhuertas@usa.net>
To:        Willem Brown <willem@brwn.org>
Cc:        pstapley <pstapley@rapidnet.com>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: [Re: ppp -auto -nat myisp]
Message-ID:  <20000922211636.20341.qmail@nwcst315.netaddress.usa.net>

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EXCELLENT!

Everything is super OK now.

Thanks a lot Willem and Pete.

Se los agradezco mucho :-)

-edu-


Willem Brown <willem@brwn.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> =

> I should have look further down a bit. =

> =

> On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:23:45PM -0600, Eduardo Huertas wrote:
> > Hi again,
> > =

> > And didn't work again!
> > =

> > These are the rules...
> > =

> > # If we don't want ICMP and DNS packets to keep the connection alive:=

> > #
> >     set filter alive 0 deny icmp
> >     set filter alive 1 deny udp src eq 53
> >     set filter alive 2 deny udp dst eq 53
> >     =

> > # Blocking from nmbd process
> >     set filter alive 3 deny udp src eq 137
> >     set filter alive 4 deny udp src eq 138
> >     set filter alive 5 deny udp src eq 139
> >     set filter alive 6 permit 0 0
> > =

> > #
> > #
> > # And we don't want ICMPs to cause a dialup:
> >     set filter dial 0 deny icmp
> >     set filter dial 1 permit 0 0
> > =

> > # or any TCP SYN or RST packets (badly closed TCP channels):
> >      set filter dial 2 deny 0 0 tcp syn finrst
> > # DNS lookups
> >      set filter dial 3 deny udp src eq 53
> >      set filter dial 4 deny udp dst eq 53
> >      set filter dial 5 permit 0/0 0/0
> > =

> > # DNS lookups from Windows machines
> >      set filter dial 6 deny udp src eq 137 # NetBIOS name service =

> >      set filter dial 7 deny udp src eq 138 # NetBIOS datagram service=
 =

> >      set filter dial 8 deny udp src eq 139 # NetBIOS session service =

> >      set filter dial 9 deny udp dst eq 137 # NetBIOS name service =

> >      set filter dial 10 deny udp dst eq 138 # NetBIOS datagram servic=
e =

> >      set filter dial 11 deny udp dst eq 139 # NetBIOS session service=
 =

> =

> These rules should also be moved so that they occur before the =

> "set filter dial 5 permit" rule. This should stop them from initiating =
the
> connection.
> =

> > =

> > =

> > =

> > And this is the log:
> > =

> > Sep 22 13:16:02 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (auto mo=
de).
> > Sep 22 13:16:05 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: IN UDP:
192.168.1.100:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.1:137 - NO KEEPA
> > LIVE
> > Sep 22 13:16:15 BSDincep last message repeated 13 times
> > Sep 22 13:16:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: IN UDP:
205.161.189.1:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.1:137 - NO KEEPA
> > LIVE
> > Sep 22 13:16:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: IN UDP:
205.161.189.1:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.1:137 - NO KEEPA
> > LIVE
> > Sep 22 13:16:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: IN UDP:
192.168.1.100:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.1:137 - NO KEEPA
> > LIVE
> > Sep 22 13:16:24 BSDincep last message repeated 6 times
> > Sep 22 13:16:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: IN UDP:
205.161.189.1:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.1:137 - NO KEEPA
> > LIVE
> > Sep 22 13:16:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: IN UDP:
205.161.189.1:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.1:137 - NO KEEPA
> > LIVE
> > Sep 22 13:17:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: DIAL UDP:
205.161.189.1:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.255:137 - NO K
> > EEPALIVE
> > Sep 22 13:17:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish
> > Sep 22 13:17:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed ->
opening
> > Sep 22 13:17:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: TCP/IP: OUT UDP:
205.161.189.1:137
> > ---> 205.161.189.255:137 - NO KE
> > EPALIVE
> > Sep 22 13:17:24 BSDincep ppp[1658]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected!
> > =

> > =

> > I really appreciate your help!
> > =

> > =

> > =

> > Willem Brown <willem@brwn.org> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > =

> > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 11:43:14AM -0600, Eduardo Huertas wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Thank you for your suggestion, but still doesn't work :(
> > > > =

> > > > Now I have this rules:
> > > > =

> > > > # If we don't want ICMP and DNS packets to keep the connection al=
ive:
> > > > #
> > > >     set filter alive 0 deny icmp
> > > >     set filter alive 1 deny udp src eq 53
> > > >     set filter alive 2 deny udp dst eq 53
> > > >     set filter alive 3 permit 0 0
> > > > =

> > > > # Blocking from nmbd process
> > > >     set filter alive 4 deny udp src eq 137
> > > >     set filter alive 5 deny udp src eq 138
> > > >     set filter alive 6 deny udp src eq 139
> > > =

> > > These rules should be inserted before the "set filter alive 3 permi=
t"
rule.
> > > =

> > > > #
> > > > #
> > > > # And we don't want ICMPs to cause a dialup:
> > > >     set filter dial 0 deny icmp
> > > >     set filter dial 1 permit 0 0
> > > > =

> > > > # or any TCP SYN or RST packets (badly closed TCP channels):
> > > >      set filter dial 2 deny 0 0 tcp syn finrst
> > > > # DNS lookups
> > > >      set filter dial 3 deny udp src eq 53
> > > >      set filter dial 4 deny udp dst eq 53
> > > >      set filter dial 5 permit 0/0 0/0
> > > > =

> > > > # DNS lookups from Windows machines
> > > >      set filter dial 6 deny udp src eq 137 # NetBIOS name service=
 =

> > > >      set filter dial 7 deny udp src eq 138 # NetBIOS datagram ser=
vice

> > > >      set filter dial 8 deny udp src eq 139 # NetBIOS session serv=
ice =

> > > >      set filter dial 9 deny udp dst eq 137 # NetBIOS name service=
 =

> > > >      set filter dial 10 deny udp dst eq 138 # NetBIOS datagram se=
rvice

> > > >      set filter dial 11 deny udp dst eq 139 # NetBIOS session ser=
vice

> > > > =

> > > > -edu-
> > > > =

> > > > Willem Brown <willem@brwn.org> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > =

> > > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 07:05:43PM +0200, Willem Brown wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > =

> > > > > > Those packets are send by the nmbd process, netbios name serv=
er,
and
> > > > > > it is part of the samba server.  To block them, add rules for=

> > > > > > port 137,138 and 139 just like the ones you have to stop dns
chatter
> > > > > > (port 54) from bringing the line up. BTW.
> > > > > --------^^
> > > > > This should be 53, sorry.
> > > > > =

> > > > > > =

> > > > > > set filter alive 3 deny udp src eq 137
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > =

> > > > > > =

> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 09:07:34AM -0600, Eduardo Huertas wro=
te:
> > > > > > > Hi Pete
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > I wrote those filters but didn't work out.  Bellow is the
default
> > > > section of
> > > > > > > ppp.conf:
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > default:
> > > > > > >  set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command
> > > > > > >  set log +tcp/ip
> > > > > > >  set device /dev/cuaa0
> > > > > > >  set speed 115200
> > > > > > >  disable lqr
> > > > > > >  deny lqr
> > > > > > >  set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT =
\
> > > > > > >            OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT=
"
> > > > > > >  set timeout 300
> > > > > > >  set ifaddr 205.161.189.1/0 205.161.189.2/0 255.255.255.0
> > > > > > >  add default HISADDR
> > > > > > >  set reconnect 3 20
> > > > > > >  allow users eduardo
> > > > > > >  set server +3000 diagnostico
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # If we don't want ICMP and DNS packets to keep the connect=
ion
> > alive:
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > >     set filter alive 0 deny icmp
> > > > > > >     set filter alive 1 deny udp src eq 53
> > > > > > >     set filter alive 2 deny udp dst eq 53
> > > > > > >     set filter alive 3 permit 0 0
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > #
> > > > > > > # And we don't want ICMPs to cause a dialup:
> > > > > > >     set filter dial 0 deny icmp
> > > > > > >     set filter dial 1 permit 0 0
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > # or any TCP SYN or RST packets (badly closed TCP channels)=
:
> > > > > > >      set filter dial 2 deny 0 0 tcp syn finrst
> > > > > > > # DNS lookups
> > > > > > >      set filter dial 3 deny udp src eq 53
> > > > > > >      set filter dial 4 deny udp dst eq 53
> > > > > > >      set filter dial 5 permit 0/0 0/0
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > # DNS lookups from Windows machines
> > > > > > >      set filter dial 6 deny udp src eq 137 # NetBIOS name
service =

> > > > > > >      set filter dial 7 deny udp src eq 138 # NetBIOS datagr=
am
> > service =

> > > > > > >      set filter dial 8 deny udp src eq 139 # NetBIOS sessio=
n
service
> > =

> > > > > > >      set filter dial 9 deny udp dst eq 137 # NetBIOS name
service =

> > > > > > >      set filter dial 10 deny udp dst eq 138 # NetBIOS datag=
ram
> > service =

> > > > > > >      set filter dial 11 deny udp dst eq 139 # NetBIOS sessi=
on
> > service =

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > And here is the log of the unexpectedly dialing:
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > alive 0
> > > > > > > deny icmp
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > alive 1
> > > > > > > deny udp src eq 53
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > alive 2
> > > > > > > deny udp dst eq 53
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > alive 3
> > > > > > > permit 0 0
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 0
> > > > > > > deny icmp
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 1
> > > > > > > permit 0 0
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 2
> > > > > > > deny 0 0 tcp syn finrst
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 3
> > > > > > > deny udp src eq 53
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 4
> > > > > > > deny udp dst eq 53
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 5
> > > > > > > permit 0/0 0/0
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 6
> > > > > > > deny udp src eq 137
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 7
> > > > > > > deny udp src eq 138
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 8
> > > > > > > deny udp src eq 139
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 9
> > > > > > > deny udp dst eq 137
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 10
> > > > > > > deny udp dst eq 138
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: default:=
 set
> > filter
> > > > dial 11
> > > > > > > deny udp dst eq 139
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: quik: se=
t
redial
> > 10
> > > > 4
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: quik: se=
t
phone
> > > > 03854998
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: quik: se=
t
> > authname
> > > > incep
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1261]: tun0: Command: quik: se=
t
> > authkey
> > > > ********
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:21:45 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: Phase: PPP Starte=
d
(auto
> > > > mode).
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:22:16 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: TCP/IP: DIAL UDP:=

> > > > 205.161.189.1:137
> > > > > > > ---> 205.161.189.255:137
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:22:16 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: Phase: bundle:
Establish
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:22:16 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: Phase: deflink: c=
losed
->
> > > > opening
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:22:16 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: TCP/IP: OUT UDP:
> > > > 205.161.189.1:137
> > > > > > > ---> 205.161.189.255:137
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:22:16 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
> > Connected!
> > > > > > > Sep 22 08:22:16 BSDincep ppp[1262]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
opening
> > ->
> > > > dial =

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > What I see is that the packet that triggers the dialing has=
 ip
> > addresses
> > > > that
> > > > > > > are used for negotiating between the local and the remote
system:
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > set ifaddr 205.161.189.1/0 205.161.189.2/0 255.255.255.0
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > And that these packets appear almost inmediately I run ppp
-auto
> > -nat
> > > > myisp.
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > Again my question is:
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > Who is sending this packet and how can I dfilter it? or is
there
> > another
> > > > way?
> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > "pstapley" <pstapley@rapidnet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > They are different, I will try to get to the site again. =
Here
it
> > is,
> > > > hope
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > helps.
> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > http://www.defcon1.org/html/ppp-tips.html
> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > One problem that can exist with demand dialing was that
Microsoft
> > > > hosts
> > > > > > > > sometimes do a broadcast then a DNS lookup for servers wh=
ich
> > don't
> > > > exist by
> > > > > > > > themselves about every 30mins this will always causes a m=
odem
to
> > dial
> > > > up,
> > > > > > > > these DNS requests MS hosts send go to the DNS server por=
t 53
UDP
> > just
> > > > like
> > > > > > > > a normal DNS request would but one difference about them =
is
that
> > they
> > > > come
> > > > > > > > from source port 137-139, normal DNS traffic would have a=

source
> > port
> > > > > > > > roughly of 1080+ so it makes it easy to block those by
putting
> > this
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > /etc/ppp/ppp.conf
> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > set filter dial 2 deny udp src eq 137 # NetBIOS name serv=
ice
> > > > > > > > set filter dial 3 deny udp src eq 138 # NetBIOS datagram
service
> > > > > > > > set filter dial 4 deny udp src eq 139 # NetBIOS session
service
> > > > > > > > set filter dial 5 deny udp dst eq 137 # NetBIOS name serv=
ice
> > > > > > > > set filter dial 6 deny udp dst eq 138 # NetBIOS datagram
service
> > > > > > > > set filter dial 7 deny udp dst eq 139 # NetBIOS session
service
> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Eduardo Huertas" <eduhuertas@usa.net>
> > > > > > > > To: "pstapley" <pstapley@rapidnet.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 4:02 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: ppp -auto -nat myisp
> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > =

> > > > > > >
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